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I read the initial post very anxiously, because I feared it would announce the closing of the b&c. Luckily this was not to be. Happy anniversary bolterandchainsword.com !

I'm at about 2600 words and still have a few more things to fill in, what most surprising to me is how quickly the fluff is coming together. When I started collecting knights they were just an additional force to my marines, and I had a vague idea of an anime style young pilot. My big challenge is finding some models to represent my pilots (everything is either too risque or so wildly different from the 40K aesthetic). The other issue I've ran into is just what to name the new knights I'm going to build, my usual come up with a word in a foreign language then stretch and distort it into 40k'ish name feels like it's gonna quickly come up short, but changing things to a more standard style of name also feels weird given the already set history of these names in previous battle reports and the 2017 Iron Gauntlet. So instead I'm working on pilot profiles and will let future me deal with it. Go Future me, I believe in you!

Fantastic write up, thanks for sharing. I've always loved the references to WW1 that the Iron Warriors have, and it's always interesting to see what informed certain factions and their identity. This might be too specific, but have there ever been any references to Canada's role in WW1 within the faction? Not that anyone was playing nice, but at least here we have a reputation for being a bit nasty

Thanks! I've been wanting to add that specific Dread to my collection for years, it's a lovely model and I much prefer it to the Helbrute. Seriously, why no crab claws? I've honestly been thinking of adding a Defiler to the army. I know they get a bad rep but I kind of love it? It might be because of the way it was animated in DoW, but I can help but love the funky little crab. I have painted one before for a friend, but that was a few years ago. I think I have some photos somewhere of the thing, I'll put them up if I can find them. It's definitely a classic tho, and I'd love to see it yet an update.

As this is the OOC Thread I correlated the glyphs with Lexicanum. The four glyphs make up his name. The first two have been said over and over in IC. All four names were said in the Brief from Skaayn in Scene 3. Grub: Cunning, find, dig, hide. Gob: Mouth, eat, drink, speak out of turn. Warp: Space. Zagga Zag: Lightning, movement, fast strike. So he is a Cunning Fast Soace Kaptain that will Eat you and Shout at you!

God what I wouldn't give for an upscaled Mk7 kit. I'd sell a kidney and half the organs of everyone on this forum.

Yes, exactly! No one asked for Eightbound or Jakhals. Regular Possessed and Cultists painted red would have been fine. The three biggest asks WE players had were Red Butchers (Terminators), Butcher Surgeons, and Jugger riders, and we went zero for three.

I guess we will have to wait a fistful of months to say if these rumors had any worth at all

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We already tried and drama occurred. Given that the same people is involved I hardly see how it's going to be different next time. Even if I also have plenty of things to say, I think it's better to keep the peace here when there's no positive outcome possible.

The entire Necron identity was indeed changed, but it was a new faction that had very little identity and no established history to begin with. They went from metal Tyranids to Space Tomb Kings. Some people still lament the change! I'm not sure the Myth argument holds true when observing the setting externally. The history of 40k is now very detailed. What characters within the setting itself are oblivious to, and know only as misremembered Myth, we as readers know in perfect detail. The Horus Heresy is one such example. The problem really only became apparent to myself when Games Workshop started behaving like the party from 1984, whilst simultaneously saying that everything is canon, which is a contradiction in of itself.

Also the framing of this isn't helping. Women being added to a faction isn't like, some opening move in a grand battle, it's just a little lore change like any other. Plus, GW have stated that they're going to continue to be inclusive and diversify their setting, so the company in charge of all this has already made their position clear. Y'know, Warhammer is for everyone, etc etc.

This rings true for me on so many levels...

This is why hate Eightbound. No one asked for those, but because they exist, they take the place of units that people actually would want. Same as Primaris blocking the Mk7 upscale forevermore. We were so close to glory, but nah, someone in management had to empty his bowels all over us to prove to the board that he is creative.

Correct, and you can see this across any number of fandom's. Now, we can pretend this isnt the case, and watch threads get locked, or we can openly accept that this is the case, and it just isnt discussed. If the mods do their thing, then it simply wont be discussed at all, because it inherently has become political, and the title of the dudes video makes it obvious. Its just one more front, one more battle, in the culture war that nobody gets to escape it seems, unless you simply disconnect from online discourse, and news. Well, I dropped news years ago. I have started selling off all my hobby stuff, and watching this site go down with every other forum/game I follow would be sad, but I was already one foot out the door anyway, because GW's lore has sucked, and their books have sucked, for quite some time.

I dislike any retcons or “story progression” for obvious out-of-universe reasons, and rolled my eyes at female Custodes, but this not worse than Primaris. At least the Custodes units don’t change. Primaris changed all units to uglier versions of essentially the same units, forcing entire collections into obsolescence. Primaris destroyed the connection between modern marines and the Legions, as they all wear the same nu-armor and not a mix of Marks dating back to legacy armor handed down since the Heresy. Primaris introduced some of the worst vehicle designs of any fictional IP that I have ever seen. Anyway, this thread is probably going to get Cyclonic torpedoed.

Is it tho? It's one of hundreds, if not thousands, of changes that have worked this exact way. A new codex comes out, we learn some new info that maybe contradicts previously established lore or it doesn't, and it's just folded into the setting. Knights used to only be men, and then in a newer codex we're told that they can be women too. Again, the Necron backstory was completely changed from one codex to the next. And multiple people from/working for GW have stated that there is no official cannon, it's all just part of the setting and if contradictions exist then that's just how it is. This isn't like most settings or IP's where there is one official version of it, like even the idea of a retcon doesn't really work for 40k because the information we're given might be unreliable or a myth or an outright lie. That's part of the charm of the setting. Also, y'know, we've had three separate threads on this topic and they've all been a time and half. Maybe we can let this go before I personally have to fight all of you to the death MK style? Please?

No, I'm chosing to believe that we can have an adult conversation on this forum, and if people actually try it doesn't have to fall apart into insults and gloating. And frankly I don't like the idea of shutting down or censoring a discussion BEFORE any drama has even occurred. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves and all that.

There's an accepted viewpoint. Agreeing with the accepted viewpoint is not political. Not agreeing with the accepted viewpoint means its political and therefor strictly against the rules.

I really wish I could agree there.

Yes it is, and you are willfully blind if you dont see how.

One thing that makes this forum exceptional is the fact that we generally don't take things personally. We happily discuss external but related factors to the hobby such as Games Workshop financials, the Warhammer community or the people that work/worked there. This is no different. Also, it's a legitimate and significant retcon to the established setting that, whether agreed with or not, makes the introduction of Primaris look like a stroke of Shakespearean brilliance.

I can only think of one thing that will top that... I love Primaris but damn that lore to hell and the damage it did to the community.

From a simple lore perspective? Easy. Its just yet another garbage change, in the lore which has been progressively worse (with minor well done additions like Votann) with every edition since 4th. So much of any kind of 'recent' lore change has been absolutely terrible, and yes Primaris are top of that list. If you want to get into the reasons for the change, outside of naked capitalism, this thread wont live. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. So yeah, pretty much any new 40K lore, and especially the stuff that is a clear *wink wink* totally not a retcon, is trash. Has been for probably over a decade at this point.

Agreed, but some people will not do so. Unfortunately because of that, the best we can do is a sort of détente rather than finding the common ground and moving on. Whether it happens before or after certain posters come in for their victory lap struggle session, this thread will certainly be locked.