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I'm hoping for Sonic Cult Terminators - they've been around in the rules since the original Index Astartes in 3rd edition and were playable for quite some time but we've never had models for them. The Legiones Hereticus rules note that after Fulgrim's ascension many of the Phoenix Terminators go a little bonkers as there's little point being a bodyguard for an immortal flying danger snake, but they could explore other aspects of the Phoenix Guard (as Terminators weren't the only way they fought) or show what 10,000 years has done to what remains of the formation. So much potential! Honestly I wouldn't complain about either Sonic Terms or 40k-era Phoenix Terms if the models look great. But I suspect GW will look to differentiate their 40k EC range from 30k era material rather than transplanting things straight across.

Yeah I've divested of most of my MTG stuff as well. Ironically enough, one of the few things I kept was the 40K commander decks. The rest got transferred into plastic.

If you look at the Terminator Praetor for the EC in 30k you actually kind of get both, the termi cowl has a raised grill back that is kind of like an amp. Actually seems like a bridge design and might be suggestive. Just take it from discreet to swollen and they look like they have speakers on their back. Alot of room to make it grotesque and fill it with graffity, bling and drug injectors. My bigger question is what level of bare skin we are getting! I am kind of expecting to have even more bare skin than Chaos Possessed!

By hook or by crook, those models invite hobby schemes.

Yeah, for all the complaining people do about 40K at least there's no Codex: Stranger Things. IP slurry.

If a EC terminator product exist, what theme would it bear? "Duelist" like 30K, or "Bigger Boombox"?

Recon squad progress has been made. Painting faces, eyes and lenses.

I don't think he brings it up as an argument. I read it as an observation that back in his times lore was a lot simpler & written with different "philosophy" so such discussions would not have been possible but the times they are a'changing.

Nailed it.

I couldn't agree more. If you compare the writing in the original Black Books with the recent HH books, the difference in quality can really be quite stark. Aside from the narrative, I have also found some of the grammar really bad. Sometimes it comes across like it was rushed or even written by AI; just poorly structured sentences. I'm a lore junkie and the relative lack of artwork is another disappointment. I loved reading the stories of all those individual Space Marines with the pict capture illustrations. Now it seems we get a token handful with each new book.

I'm starting a betting pool on what the release timeline for the codex is, and what it will be. 50:1 odds that the codex doesn't come out this edition. 10:1 odds that it comes out this calendar year. 7:1 that there are no new noise marine models 4:1 that there is no Fulgrim 3:1 that we get a bespoke terminator 2:1 that Lucius is the only named character in it

I think the main underlying issue is that fandoms are such low trust spaces online and GW is far more opaque about its process than even other monolithic billion dollar corps that both sides see their political enemies moving behind the wall. Some lore changes must be the work of one bogeyman and the lack of lore changes must be the work of another bogeyman. Everyone knows there is some wrong thinker at GW personally stopping the “right lore” because of some political agenda. If GW came out and said “we’d like more people from X group to buy our products so we’ve started including miniatures to represent X group” the reaction would be the same in spite of the honesty, simply because online (as amply demonstrated here and elsewhere) everything is a war. If Warhammer was just a story, changing the all male guardians of the emperor who are fifty percent of the Emperor’s personal army (where the other fifty percent is all female) would be pretty jarring after however long it’s been since Collected Visions, but Warhammer isn’t a story. It’s toys. The point of toys is to be sold to the maximum number of kids. The lore is a bunch of darts thrown at a wall to make you buy toys. Star Wars is toys. Transformers are toys. Marvel is toys. They are all trying to sell toys. 40K isn’t trying to teach you to be a better person, like Lord of the Rings. It’s not warning you about the dangers of groupthink, like 1984. It’s selling you toys dressed as Lord of the Rings and 1984. So if you don’t like some of the bits on the sprue now, we just have to do what we told people for years to do, make our own - no one is stopping us. The online spaces will never heal from the social media wars and distrust. The internet isn’t inclusive, no one is wanted here, everyone is just a profile picture to unload your anger at the world on. The best we can hope for is to enjoy seeing cool models wading through the sludge of culture war posts.

I play Alpha Legion. Any negative opinions I hold about retcons are auto-invalidated.

Not fussed about the index rules as I'm not interested in 10th edition, but after all these years of waiting it's nice to be getting close to a 40k Emperor's Children range, even if the article makes me suspect we'll be waiting for a year or more. I hope they've done my boys justice.

Váfri The Kill-team's efforts dented the number of advancing enemies significantly, and he was pleased. It was still inevitable that they would be forced to fight hand to hand, but he would have been disappointed if it had been otherwise. Shifting Gylthir to a single-handed grip, he drew his sword and started the motor. "These runts will be a poor first foe for such a good blade," he muttered. Maybe some of the bigger creatures would make it into range. He hoped so, but duty was paramount, and he was going to bring down as many as he could at a distance. Still ignoring the Orks' thrall-creatures, he sent three more shells howling over their heads towards their masters.

I really don't get this agrument. When the company that puts the product out says "This is how things are now" you can't really contradict that or pretend they never said that. I see this unreliable narrator thing and contradiction stuff only ever get brought up as an argument when new fluff some people don't like comes out. It gets used as a bludgeon against the people who don't like the change. I honestly don't get what he's saying. The last stentence makes it sound as if he's ashamed of his past workplace because it wasn't progressive enough.

I stopped collecting and working on my massive Black Templars army (over two hundred models, dozens of vehicles, multiple hand crafted characters) when the 6th Edition Codex changed the Black Templars from Imperial Truthers to Imperial Creeders. I am something of a lore purist. If it was the lore in 3rd and 4th, it is the lore. If it was the lore in the Black Books it is the lore. It was a brutal stab in the back to have collected so many models based on the lore that there was a chapter out there continuing the mission of the Great Crusade, and that was the reason I bought and spent money on that specific chapter. I switched over to mainly doing Heresy because of it, Forge World felt more stable and respectful of the 3rd and 4th reboot from 2nd, and that’s when 40K lore really peaked in coherency and mystique and scale. It feels like even though there is no real truth, and things change as needed, they at least tried to stay consistent with the scale and baseline of the setting. Nothing they’ve done has really felt right since changing the Templars randomly.

I mean his name is Lucius the Eternal, not Lucius the Present

The users were the easy bit. It's the rest of the job that was impossible...

So GW remembered the Emperor's Children and Lucius today. They're getting an Index released, which indicates they're actually getting their own Codex this edition. And Lucius is basically mandatory to run EC. I sincerely hope BL will actually remember that Lucius is still stuck in limbo, and has been missing since The Crimson King in summer 2017....

It seems so funny to me that the Studio remembered Lucius is a thing before Black Library did. Not even a token appearance during the Siege of Terra, just gone for 20+ books, stranded in who knows where, for almost 7 years now. The Siege even forgot the Emperor's Children presence on Terra almost completely. Fulgrim never showed up OR left the planet after book 4, so Emperor's Children turned into an irrelevancy, too unimportant for Dorn to even account for them in his plans. Here's hoping this release will spark some actual books from BL again.

I think another thing never in the rumor engines was 40k starterset miniatures, interestingly enough.

Are people even allowed to have a different opinion? If you do you are a -ist or a -phobe. I for one like the idea of female toads...

Checkers are life, checkers are love.

I preordered the book and I got it today. Sadly after devouring it in one go, I'm very dissapointed. My main interest was the lore inside, and the most relevant parts of it are mediocrely written and out of character. The White Scars parts seems to have been written by somebody that hasn't read their HH books or willfully dismisses it, with the Khan and the WS being short tempered glory hounds that fall into traps all the time and have to be rescued. It's like all of it, including the interactions with Dorn and Sanguinius, was written for Russ and a Wolfsbane campaign and was later repurposed changing the names and little else. This trend continues with retconning out of nowhere Meduson's character and his death to be after Beta-Garmon just to have save him the WS, or Hibou Khan having actually no part in the story, and being also described in terms that do not match his BL stories. The Blackshields part is better, with decent examples of how to do mysterious non-standard legionaries. But then FW again turns the small guerrilla warband of Endryd Haar into a ridiculous chapter size force directly under Malcador as if the Knights Errant did not exist. If at least the Blackshields decal sheet included their icon... All of this was already slightly noticeable with Siege of Cthonia, but at least being it's own separate narrative and unique characters made it more acceptable. Not so much in this book when it involves well know fan favourites like the WS or Meduson. Having in hand Betrayal next to this, the decline in FW writing during this decade is very obvious (Despite the occassional legit brilliant bit). I get that not everybody can be Alan Bligh and John French wortking together, but come on: After more than a decade the style blueprint for these books should be within the reach of any competent professional background writer. Given that my group of friends are not really into the HH game despite my best efforts (so the rules do not matter to me), I think I'll probably sell it. I doubt it's going to become a collector's item like even the much criticized Malevolence.