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[Hubernator]

First biker finished

[metcalfedan]

Yep! you're definitely getting better at the whole painting thing

Very nice dude

[Hubernator]

Thanks very much Coming from you it means something

[Lord Solcia]

Lookin' good buddy! Wish we could have an exhibition match some time! ;D

[Kaldoth]

My only crit is you need to thin your paints out a bit more. Yeah, I hate doing it too But five annoyingly thin and tedious coats of paint will always come out looking better than one quick coat. Other than that, I'm liking the progress. Every picture you post, I see some improvement

Cheers,
-Kal

[Hubernator]

@Solcia: Thanks Wish we could, though it'd be a small match

@kaldoth: I'll try to keep them a bit thinner in future. And thanks for the comment

[Hubernator]

3 bikers inbound. Better pics soon















EDIT: Better pics uploaded

This post has been edited by Hubernator: Jan 10 2010, 03:05 PM

[Hubernator]

Telion model complete

[Espada Azul]

*Gasp* Telion is wearing a helmet! A high-ranking Space Marine officer is doing something sensible for once!

Kidding aside, the Corvus/Beakie helmet is a good choice, as I think all the other helmeted heads are way too large for the body of the Telion model.

[Hubernator]

*Gasp* Telion is wearing a helmet! A high-ranking Space Marine officer is doing something sensible for once!

Kidding aside, the Corvus/Beakie helmet is a good choice, as I think all the other helmeted heads are way too large for the body of the Telion model.

Thanks, I was kinda thinking the same when deciding. I didn't prefer the Telion head so I thought "seargents have beakys... lets give Telion one then"

[pattison]

3 suggestions:
- try to thin your paints with water
- try to apply a layer of dullcoat at the end
- try to tone down your colours, try to shade. simply apply some washes, or if you don't have them, heavily watered down dark colours would work too

[Hubernator]

3 suggestions:
- try to thin your paints with water
- try to apply a layer of dullcoat at the end
- try to tone down your colours, try to shade. simply apply some washes, or if you don't have them, heavily watered down dark colours would work too

- I do thin paints
- dullcoat?
- I do use washes too, not sure about toning down colours - I quite like them as they are

[pattison]

I quite like them as they are

Well then you don't need any suggestions, do you?
(Dullcoat = matte varnish.)

[cathar the great]

Even if you like them as they are, you did post them here to get some comments and critique, right?

I'm with pattison on this one. All your colors would benefit greatly from washes. A dark blue one (don't know the GW name) for the blue parts, Thraka Green for the armor and some Black/Brown wash for the metals.
They would help show some more details and depth on your minis and make them look less like toys.

Using washes takes some practice, but I think it would improve your minis a lot.

If you feel that the colors are too dark after the wash, you can try to do some highlights with your main color plus a little white.

You also seem to be having a bit of problem with getting a smooth yellow for the details. It's hard to make bright colors like yellow, red or orange pop over black primer. Try to paint the details you want to be yellow with orange (or even white) first.
Don't forget to really heavily thin your paints if you do this, otherwise all the details will be lost.


Of course if you are perfectly happy with the minis as they are, just ignore my post

[Müller]

To be quite frank, I see no shades and I see thick paints, thin them about 1:1 with water, apply one thin layer, wait for it to dry and then apply the next thin layer, repeat until happy with coverage.
I see plenty of details gone missing due to thick paints here, and I even see grainy paint (using old paints?)

I don't see any real shades here, a simple devlan mud wash over the yellow would do the models wonders.
I would also suggest trying to paint the correct areas with the correct colors (Tellions fingertips have been painted black from the bolter, the skull on his knee, the bones on the other knee and the laurel on his shoulder all shows some paint gone astray), try to fix these things before considering the model done.

If you've got a shaky hand I would suggest placing the model in some kind of vice and then use your other free hand (this goes assuming that you paint like me, hold the model in one hand and the brush in the other) to support your shaky hand and use both to paint over just those small things.


Remember that we're not saying these things to be mean (at least not me), heck I've painted a lot, and plenty is awful nowadays, I'm saying this to help you get better. In the end only you can practice and get better though...

[Rythlan]

I think the wash attempt is there (you can see it on Telion's right shoulder in one of the pics). Perhaps another coat of wash, and then a highlight with the original color?

[Hubernator]

I seem to be getting repetitive comments...

- I do try to thin paints (not by putting them on a palette and adding water) but seems that isn't enough. Any places that are thick are because the primer has worn off.
- Washes I do use on the yellow and have kinda given up with the green. I've got the blue as well but haven't tried it. Shading is not a priority of mine..
- Any finite details I miss is because I don't see them. I'm not one for being critical on perfection.
- Yellow is a headache really. It might be the yellow wash ruining it, but then without it it's too bright...
- I don't have a matte coat and can't find one anywhere.
- I tend to have a steady hand, I just can't replicate certain things many times over.



I like the fact no-ones said well done for the camo since that was a first time. The beaky is bad because I made a mess of filing it down and the primer wore off during the process. I'm not one for massive details - I'm after playable minis of an tabletop-worthy standard... not something epicly awesome I'll try more washes on everything and see what happens...

[cathar the great]

=Disclaimer: I don't want to insult you. This part of the board is for sharing pics and painting tips, so that's what I'm doing=

Comments might be repetitive because it seems like you don't really listen to any of them. This thread has been going on for a year now. Usually, with threads like these there is at least some improvement over such a long period of time. I looked through the thread and admit that you have not had many constructive comments except for the use of washes.

But you always replied with either "I'm terrible at that" or "I'll try that soon". I don't notice the latter on the minis, and the former is just an excuse. There is always room to improve.

What kind of brushes are you using? It seems that one of your bigger problems is paint control which is why there's a lot of paint on areas where it does not belong. Maybe if you use finer detail brushes it would help (and don't use GW's, they are overpriced and suck). Or if you already use those, try to put less paint on the brush (just some on the tip of it) and try to apply it more carefully.

Finer brushes could also help you with your highlighting as they make drawing thinner lines much easier.

Armor is not painted with one coat. If you have two adjacent colors like the blue and green, you will have to repaint both areas more often until all the colors are where they belong. I hope I'm making sense here, English is not my first language.

And how DO you thin your paints then? In the pot? I think it's much easier to do it on a palette, even better on a wet palette. Try googling that, preparing my paints on a wet palette has really improved my minis in the last half year or so.

And why have you given up on the green? A nice tabletop standard green (at least MY tabletop standard, opinions on this differ) is done really fast with your green of choice as basecoat, one or two washes with Thraka Green and some highlights with your base green with a little white.
It takes a bit of practice, but certainly something that you can achieve if you have (like you say) a steady hand.

To be honest, building a Space Marine (or table-top in general) army is lots of "replicating certain things over and over"

Edit: Huh, this post turned out longer than I thought. I hope you see that I'm trying to help, and are not offended.
Cheers,
Peter

This post has been edited by cathar the great: Jan 12 2010, 05:51 PM

[Hubernator]

"Sigh" That's just me, I never seem to listen I can appreciate the help from everyone and so on, though this is mostly a lack of positive feedback to keep me going. That and as you've said it's generic comments of "using washes".
- Brush wise I have 1 fine one, one slightly fine and one thick for large coverage. They do the job quite nicely. Most likely it's the amount of paint in use.
- I've done my armour in more or less one coat, I can't stand doing more than one coat To me there is little point doing many thin layers taking forever to do, than do one layer with reasonable (my standard of reasonable anyway) outcome. True I've had to go back and neaten up in places.
- Paint thinning (my way):

1. Dip brush in pot for paint
2. Dip in water for a second or two
3. Apply to model

Chances are that's wrong and I shouldn't be doing that, but I don't use palettes since I end up wasting paint.
- And I've mentioned before somewhere, I don't like hgihlighting. I end up with very thick highlight lines when I normally do it..


Yes, I'm the stubborn teen who wants a generic bog-standard army with no real care for details And yes I'm the typical person of "it'll do"; paint it to what I want and be done with it. And no I'm not offended by any comments, just a little miffed that there's little encouragement or congratulations on doing certain things.

[cathar the great]

Yes, I'm the stubborn teen who wants a generic bog-standard army with no real care for details And yes I'm the typical person of "it'll do"; paint it to what I want and be done with it. And no I'm not offended by any comments, just a little miffed that there's little encouragement or congratulations on doing certain things.

So you want appraisal and encouragement for being happy with mediocre results? Oo

I won't nag you any further, but that is not very logical thinking.

As I said earlier, if you are happy with your army, it's okay. You are the one paying all that money and you are the one that decides how your army should look like.

I invest a lot of time into building and painting my minis, and I'm trying to learn as much as possible about painting. I'm just now stripping and repainting nearly all my older Space Marines. Then again, I don't play very often, so the painting/modelling aspect of the hobby is what I really like the most. If you are more into gaming/fluff, that's okay.

However, don't expect waves of "super-awesome" comments for it.

[Hubernator]

I have no quarrel over your minis and how you spend them.

And to be honest I'm not expecting good comments anymore though I do like them. Maybe I should stop putting pics up here since no-one takes much interest...

[Müller]

- Paint thinning (my way):

1. Dip brush in pot for paint
2. Dip in water for a second or two
3. Apply to model

Chances are that's wrong and I shouldn't be doing that, but I don't use palettes since I end up wasting paint.just a little miffed that there's little

A tip; Stop doing it that way right off the bat.
The paints we use are basically water and pigments, the way you paint all the extra water are not added correctly to actually thin the color and you end up not thinning them at all.

Use a crappy brush, dip it in the pot, stroke it off on your palette/table/cover/whatever you use
, and then clean the brush. Now dip the brush in water, brush off water until the right amount is in the brush, now mix the two with the brush, clean off the brush and start using it the mixture to paint your mini...

encouragement or congratulations on doing certain things.

This just goes for me, but I won't really congradulate anyone who paints at a lower standard than me (and it's not because I think I'm all high n mighty).
I paint in the regions where the models borderline between exellent tabletop standard to pro standard, and I only aim to get better, thus I always think that I'm not good enough (I'm trying to get better and challenge myself all the time) which leads to me not really congratulating people that often.

It was kind of hard to explain how I meant for it to come out so I hope you understand what I mean

[Hubernator]

A tip; Stop doing it that way right off the bat.
The paints we use are basically water and pigments, the way you paint all the extra water are not added correctly to actually thin the color and you end up not thinning them at all.

Use a crappy brush, dip it in the pot, stroke it off on your palette/table/cover/whatever you use
, and then clean the brush. Now dip the brush in water, brush off water until the right amount is in the brush, now mix the two with the brush, clean off the brush and start using it the mixture to paint your mini...

I don't have any crappy brushes... ah well I suppose I can try this (minus the crappy brush)

This just goes for me, but I won't really congradulate anyone who paints at a lower standard than me (and it's not because I think I'm all high n mighty).
I paint in the regions where the models borderline between exellent tabletop standard to pro standard, and I only aim to get better, thus I always think that I'm not good enough (I'm trying to get better and challenge myself all the time) which leads to me not really congratulating people that often.

It was kind of hard to explain how I meant for it to come out so I hope you understand what I mean

Don't worry I get what you mean. You're used to good quality items so when mediocre aarises you tend to ignore or suggest them to fix it up.


EDIT: Sorry for sounding negative everyone. I do appreciate the help though I'm slow to pick up. No I don't have a learning disability I am just qutie stubborn. I will hear you out when it comments to suggestive comments and I'll get around to heeding them. Thanks for viewing all

This post has been edited by Hubernator: Jan 12 2010, 10:38 PM

[Capt. Lysander]

Like I posted on the other thread, I like the camo.

[Hubernator]

Like I posted on the other thread, I like the camo.

Again, thanks