Blood Angels Dex - 2010, Rumours Options

[tahrikmili]

If they can sell them together for 20 bucks or seperately for 15 bucks each, which do you think they would do?

Which I think is the situation as it is.

I wouldn't hold my breath for another AoD codex.

[sangunius' c...]

... I imagine most people who own a copy of the '96 Angels of Death wouldn't be sorry to see them combined again in 2010.

I love the AoD book, as much as id like to have a BA specific codex there isnt really too much different between the two Chapters. It could probably run fo nearly the same length with the cards removed and a section on DA/BA specific units that could be added to one central list. At the end of the day it is close to the same general back story for both Chapters, both have dark secrets and a noble scheme to defeat it and redeem themselves.

[Ominous Anonymou...]

Thank you very much for that, Starblayde. Though GW has a reputation making decisions that would bring in more money over better gaming, albeit deserved in some situations, I could see them doing Angels of Death again and being perfectly fine with it.

[Jorre]

I own a AOD codex and while I wouldn't mind a new AOD codex just because it means we will get a new one, but I Think Both Blood Angels and Dark Angels deserve the own Individual codexs both chapters have been badly neglected by gw and deserve there time in the sun without gw having to split there focus on 2 different armies at once. The result might be 2 half arsed codex's we are all dissapointed with

[FerociousBeast]

It depends, in my opinion, on what GW wants to do with both armies. If the intent for both is to have codex armies with a couple modifications here and there, Angels of Death would be a better idea. If the intent is to make both armies widely divergent from the Ultramarines norm, then separate codexes would better fit the bill.

All that said, there is absolutely no reason to believe that AoD will be redone with the BA dex. All rumors suggest that BA will be getting their own codex.

I'm just hoping we DA players get a PDF update alongside it to tide us over until we get our own new codex in a decade or two.

[SamaNagol]

Dark Angels need a new Codex first.

[Scorcher505]

Dark Angels need a new Codex first.

Um, no

[SamaNagol]

Um yes.

The pdf is competitive, uses current rules and tides BA over perfectly well.

The DA Codex is antiquated.

[Grimfoe]

Pure conjecture on my part. Well, at least mostly conjecture. I have to think it will just be a Blood Angel Dex. When you consider that the successor chapters have gotten much more attention over the past few years, I don't think a combined dex is the way GW will go. The Dex will be Blood Angels and successors only.

This also seems more in line with the info I received from my GW rep. He told me that one chapter will be released each year using the SW release as a model. Space Marines are the most popular army in the range (40k or Fantasy). GW intends to support that line with a new dex each year and new box sets and upgrade sets. It doesn't seem consistent to marry the Blood Angels to the cross dressers again.

[Kaldoth]

Um yes.

The pdf is competitive, uses current rules and tides BA over perfectly well.

The DA Codex is antiquated.

The PDF is full of holes and crap for fielding a proper BA army. DA got their codex. I'm not saying it's a good dex, because it's not, but BA's have been waiting for a proper codex since the 90s. Some two bit two page document copied out of White Dwarf (which has also gone to crap, but that's another topic) isn't enough. We've been waiting longer. BA's deserve a little time in the sunshine.

-Kal

[Brother_Dan'l]

Um yes.

The pdf is competitive, uses current rules and tides BA over perfectly well.

The DA Codex is antiquated.

Antiquated? What is it 6-8 months older than the .pdf? And honestly the BA "codex" is not better off for having been updated to 5e standards. The updating was painfully incomplete and at best a lazy attempt to do something nice for BA players.

I'm betting on early spring for the Blood Angels Codex and kits. It's why I'm stocking up on FW's Red Scorpion assault squads and BA brass etch.

[Firedrake28]

Um yes.

The pdf is competitive, uses current rules and tides BA over perfectly well.

The DA Codex is antiquated.

Sorry, but what the hell are you talking about? Look, I understand that a lot of Dark Angel players are upset at the crappy treatment that they received and are extremely unhappy with how their latest Codex turned out, but at least the Dark Angels have a Codex. Ours is more a pamphlet - one that you need to print off the 'net at that. It includes next to no fluff, zero hobby advice and a bunch of rules.

I'd agree that Blood Angels can be competitive, but not much moreso than the Dark Angels. Sure, the Greenwing units might be bad, but the Dualwing and Deathwing purist armies can do just fine.

Blood Angels need to have and will have their Codex first. Anyone that has a problem with that can dab away their tears with the pages of their Codex, 'cause at least they have one.

[Ominous Anonymou...]

Dark Angels need a new Codex first.

Our rhinos don't have doors.

[Morticon]

Lets keep it on track guys. Sama- you maaay not find as much support for your idea in this forum, and definitely not in this thread. So, may be a good discussion in another thread- possibly cross-forum so you dont get overwhelmed with 'WTH are you talking about kinda responses'

[JamesI]

Um yes.

The pdf is competitive, uses current rules and tides BA over perfectly well.

The DA Codex is antiquated.

If you are just looking at competitiveness (and are allowed to overlook the obvious stuff like the rhino Doors) I actully agree. The DA codex is way weaker than our dex.

Realy. dexes that are less competitive than ours right now and more in need of an update for that reason, Dark Angels, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Tau maybe, Inquisition.

But GW wants a new BA codex so close to the Space Hulk release. Lots of players are holding beautiful BA terminators. If evena few decide to get a new BA army, thats a whole bunch of money for GW.

This post has been edited by JamesI: Oct 7 2009, 11:45 AM

[General Ravenson...]

If they can sell them together for 20 bucks or seperately for 15 bucks each, which do you think they would do?

Which I think is the situation as it is.

I wouldn't hold my breath for another AoD codex.

together for 20, they'll sell more copies of a book for more money. Think about it, how many people are really going to pick up both books? Doing this would give them happy BA and DA players, and 5 more dollars in their pocket for every last one of them. That said I do think that each codex could stand for an update, and, lets be honest, the BA update doesn't update the armory to match the CSM armory. The Storm shields are 4+ instead of 3+, Our veteran assault squads can only have 3 special weapons, our apothecary's a joke compared to the CSM apothecary. Everything costs extra. And the special captain just... hates orks. No powerweapon, no strategy changing abilities, he just really hates orks. To be honest, I haven't looked too carefully at the DA codex, but I do notice that half the entries say "it does what the smurfy one does" and from the condition of the store copy, I gather it's really old, and probably in need of an update, and I'd be more than happy to have my peas touching my mashed potat- I mean, some Dark Angel in my BA dex. It'll give it some more flavor.

[liberate_tutame]

If you are just looking at competitiveness (and are allowed to overlook the obvious stuff like the rhino Doors) I actully agree. The DA codex is way weaker than our dex.

Realy. dexes that are less competitive than ours right now and more in need of an update for that reason, Dark Angels, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Tau maybe, Inquisition.

I disagree JamesI. Ravenwing, Deathwing and Dualwing armies are still competitive. I think both BA and DA need codex updates badly, but the BA 'codex' is a joke; and I'm not saying that just as a BA player. Every Blood Angels player currently plays with a pdf printout, we're like an army in limbo.

Dark Eldar can still field brutal lists such as the raider spam, wytch cult and lance spam which do very nicely in tourney. Necrons and Inquisition are probably the ones that REALLY need a revamp at this stage.

To be honest I think what galls players of armies, such as Daemon Hunters, is the niggling stupid 'old' rules that leave the army rotting as each new army list comes out. Daemon Hunters with their Assault Cannons with 3 no rending shots, BA and DA with their 4+ storm shield etc. etc. A simple FAQ or addendum to the codices would solve this. But, and here is probably where the disconnect between player logic and GW business logic kicks in, GW are in the business of selling models. And they've long since realized that each time they release a new army with some souped-up-rules young kids go crazy and buy up the new models for the armies. Funnily enough they are sabotaging themselves by unbalancing the wargaming aspect of 40k. But they prefer to ignore that and only see the short term spike in sales. This system of pushing a particular army every 3-4 months or so is also what has us all in a tizzy queuing up to GW and whimpering "No, my army first, my army first!".

Back on topic, what would I like to see in the new BA codex (which I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out late Summer/Autumn), some new vehicles that represent the 'over-charged' engine idea, VAS scoring units, assaulting drop-pods, and maybe three new characters?

[shinigami]

Uhm.. It may even be a "rumors" thread, but what I've red is just speculation and the usual quarreling about "which army deserves a new codex first", which is quite pointless topic.

That said, here are NEW RUMORS that I think nobody have posted in here yet. They come from the italian forum "GW TILEA", and the guy who brought them to the community claims to be reliable (of course it doesn't mean he actually is ).

here we go:

-The BA 'dex is DONE and complete already.

-New conversion kits similar to the ones made for the space wolves. These kits are said to be EXTRAORDINARY (I mean.. beautiful!), with a level of detail similar to that of the models in space hulk (or even better). (PS this seems quite certain, it has been confirmed by my local GW seller, who also stated some big news about BA may be revealed at the italian games day).

SOME informations about the rules

-The codex will allow the player to field a top notch assault army: assault squads will be a troop choice, with options similar to those of the new gray hunters in the SW dex: 2Xspecial weapons and no heavy weapons at all (of course). Sergents will be similar to those of the SM dex (more options: tunder hummer, LC and such).

- a psionic power called "vortex of blood", or something like that, will give the caster a CC attacks bonus equal to the number of models in base contact (or even in combat radius?! but it would be too powerful..)

-New indipendent characters.

I can't assure these rumors are true, of course. I just TRIED to translate them in english and posted them here.

Ah, date of release: march, after the tyrs.

Again, sorry for my English

This post has been edited by shinigami: Oct 9 2009, 02:16 PM

[JamesI]

IF the Dex is supposed to hit the market around April, I would assume it is done now.

As for the actual rumors, who knows. Its all speculation right now.

I hope assault squads are still troops (or can be. I'm fine if we needa captain with jump pack to make assault squads troops).

[Scorcher505]

Vortex of Blood sounds like the ability that wolf rider special character for space wolves has, and the fact that it is identical to me sets off some warning lights. I hope with all my heart you are right tho and he is not lying

EDIT: Changed 'Warp Vortex' to 'Vortex of Blood' as per the poster of original rumor

This post has been edited by Scorcher505: Oct 9 2009, 03:07 PM

[Ominous Anonymou...]

Sounds a little too good to be true, while at the same time retaining enough truth(iness) to make it believable.

Here's to hoping.

[shinigami]

I edited myself, the actual name of the power seems to be "vortex of blood", and it may be an ability of BA commanders instead of a psi power...

[Lion El Jason]

I'm pretty excited to think of a new BA codex. As a player it'll be great to get a non-cheese, non-worthless pdf Blood Angel codex and as a game designer myself I really want to see what they come up with as your "Combat Tactics" replacement.

Furious Charge is simply broken and IMO not viable as an army wide rule. Since most opponents are marines and 'marine' vs 'marine with FC' is basically auto win with no losses for any dedicated assault unit with FC.
Getting it with a character isn't as bad, though as we'veseen still powerful.

Still, I expect it'll be something slightly less overpowered and I'd love to see what they come up with.


I'm also hoping for a DA white Dwarf/ PDF list at the same time;)

[Brother Chris]

Italian games day is 18th October (next Sunday) I think, so just over a week before we find out how well founded the rumours are. Lots of us are convinced the Blood Angels are Italian (well, at least the chapter master is...) so it would be appropriate.

[hendybadger]

Cant wait to see where these rumours go.
I am waiting to hear something solid before I start up my planned BA force.
My other army will tide me over until then!