Dark Apostle Thirst Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Welcome one, welcome all! This is my WIP thread for the Librarium Painting Challenge. For the Challenge, I am doing four distinct chapters, The Orphans of Doom, the Blazing Sons, The Red Lords, and the White Hands, alonside my pet project, the Thing. I'll update each of these seperately, but within the same post. Starting us off are the bitz and peices I have managed to assemble for the Vangaurd Veterans of the Orphans of Doom... A lot of these I'm slightly unsure about, especially the Thunderhammer/Storm Shield guy on the far right, mostly because the weapon arms are already painted. I'm thinking about finding him different bitz. Here is one of only two still WIP things for the Blazing Sons, the banner... And the Captain... He'll count as having dual Lightning Claws... The reason being is that he causes so much damage with a single sweep of the axe, it's like having a lot of little attacks, and it's so big it's almost impossible to not have some kind of glancing blow. The Red Lords, on the other hand, are still very much WIP. While it may seem I have done little for these, I have actually recently bought a box of tacticals online and are waiting for them to arrive. Anyways, here are the pictures... I have a ton of fluff in my head for these guys. The commando marine is the spotter for half the squad, the other half are close combat specialists that the sergeant likes to lead off and assault the enemy while the shootier parts of the squad, well, shoot. The White Hands have also had a lot of effort put into them since the start of the challenge (although they had nowhere near the headstart of the Blazing Sons). Three of them are almost finished, the last two need only minor work, and they also have reinforcements incoming. These guys are almost done, but still need a little cleaning up. The only major change to the Thing is I've attempted a start at chitin... Or at the very least, a base for chitin. Anyways... Thanks for looking, Thirst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarasinCreed Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Please tell me you are stripping these guys and repainting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muller Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 To be perfectly honest, these models looks like they've been dipped in 2 colors, then dragged through sand before the paint has fully dried up. They need some serious work. And the lego axe/glavie/halbeard/etc. is waaaay too thick for the marine to hold in a firm grip. If he were to ever even try to swing it it'd just fall out of his (much to small) hands. Almost as if I was to try and use a normal sized tree stem as a bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Guessing you're a younger painter, Dark Apostle? Do you undercoat your models? It looks as though you've used thick amounts of paint to try and get an even colour showing through, and ended up using too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted February 23, 2011 Author Share Posted February 23, 2011 'winces' Well, that wasn't the reply I was expecting... I'm assuming you are refering to the White Hands? I had much frustration with painting these, precisely for the rasons you mentioned - it just looked like the paint was too thick (in reality it's not, I use it as a part of how I paint cloth, and then it's too thin). I actually scraped the first coat off because of it, and repainted it, thinking it would solve the problem... it didn't. I think the issue is with the models themselves, as they were used when I was young to the hobby, and when I stripped them, I apparently didn't strip them well enough. I will experiment with this when I get the new box of Assault marines - if it has to do with the models, then I cannot fix it, if it doesn't, then I'll strip them all and see what I can do. The Blazing Sons are that way because they are described as being well-worn and heavily used. I used bright bronze, and several washes of Baal Red, to give that worn feel. The one that actually suffers the worst is the flamer - his stripping didn't go so well either, but it helped for the worn look I was going for. The Red Lords were (and will be) painted entirely using washes, so... :P I am aware that my sculpting sucks. And yes, I undercoat my models. As for the axe comment, he's had a hand since made (not sculpted) that looks as though he is holding it. Ifyou really think this is an issue with my youth, painting wise... ask Silver Phoenix what he thought of my work on his Iron Dragons :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 It wasn't intended as an insult, man. I just look back at the minis i painted when i was younger and wince slightly, you'll only improve with age etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiny sam Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 You probably want to change the shaft of the hallberd, may be use a wooden pick (it's like 1$ for 100, in all one $ shops) it would be thinner than the present one. as for stripping I suggest you look in the tutorial sections there is quite good one basically just bathe your mini in Paint-Thinner (use paint-remover only for metal minis) and brush them with an old tooth brush (well... it's your choice :no:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseDaMoose Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Although some are worded a bit harshly, it's all valid critique. Sorta anyway :P It seems like maybe you overload the brush with paint a bit and kinda plop it on. If you brush some of the paint off and just be more careful with how you paint it'll look a lot better. I know it seems pretty obvious, but stuff like that can really make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muller Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I didn't intend to come off as an arse (just wanted to put that out there), but was rather emphasizing how thick the paint is on these models (I'm talking about all of them). The paints really need extreme thinning since pretty much all details have been lost on your models. When you paint a miniature with correctly thinned down paints you can achieve details such as this: http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/dennis_ostlund/Ansikte-tutorial.jpg And that's a pretty basic 7-step face, with really detailing a face will land around 12-18 steps with layer upon layer of thinned down paints. The overall model can end up with this much (and more) details: http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/dennis_ostlund/escher-juve-2-wip.jpg And to paint black undercoated minis with only washes is pretty much a (excuse me here) dumb idea; you will never get any real coverage and the models end up looking like you've painted them with watercolors. If you're gonna paint an entire model with mainly washes upon washes then do it on a lightly basecoated model, like this one: http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/dennis_ostlund/DSC02131.jpg http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/dennis_ostlund/DSC02133.jpg http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/dennis_ostlund/DSC02134.jpg This model started out with all skin basecoated with only codex grey, here over 8 different base-colors were used for separate washes, and that's only the base ones, not including all the other ones faded into eachother. So you see, there's lots you can do to really make your models pop if you take your time, practice different techniques and get yourself a steady hand (that too comes with practice). Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted February 23, 2011 Author Share Posted February 23, 2011 I didn't mean to take it as an insult ;) My bad, I really did know that you guys weren't trying to insult me, and I tried to take it as merely harsh criticism, tried not to be too offended ^_^ I certainly don't hold it against any of you, I'm not really satisfied with most of these myself (although I do think I did surprisingly well, considering a lot of it was mostly experimental). Magic - Yeah, and I've only been doing this for three years, I still have a few models from my first battleforce... :rolleyes: Tiny - Toothpicks are indeed incredibly useful, I've been using them since I found a whole bunch in my dad's old tacklebox. I have used them as hafts before, off the top of my head I know I used one for my Chapter Master and one for a Force Staff for a librarian. I didn't use it here because I feared it would make the head of the halberd seem even larger. And I use Simple Green ;) Muller - Again, I plan on experimenting with that when the models come, but I will definitely try that as you say. I use a black undercoat, though... Hmmmm... But thanks for the tips ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugar-free Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 as long as ur painting mate. i am so sick of going to game store and seeing a 2,000 pt army on the table and not one even primed. this is practice makes perfect kinda thing. iv been doing it for ever and still don't have it down. cheers all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 Got the Tacticals and Assault squads today, but didn't find out until late in the evening, so only had time to assemble the various parts of the Assault Sergeant and his combi-melta. Will post pictures of the squad members being assembled and the sergeant's parts later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted March 1, 2011 Author Share Posted March 1, 2011 So... WIP pictures time! My squads arrived recently and I have been in the process of building them. I've actually spray painted the ones here and started construction on new ones, but anyways, here are the first reinforcements for my Red Lords... This one I'm thinking the fluff for him will be an aspiring techmarine, bearing enhanced armour and being deemed submersed in logic enough to handle a holy plasma weapon. I had to include one pure Mk 6... This one will be the only surviving member (aside from the sergeant) from when the sergeant originally formed the squad. He's often mistaken for the newest member for his lack of ornamentation, but he believes he deserves no honor for purging mere scum. And White Hands... The sergeant, who I like... But his blasted combiweapon is impossible to get to stay together with the PVA glue :cuss . And the newest member... I plan on having him being one of the few that does not actively seek death, instead accepting death as inevitable and seeking to do as much as possible before said death. And finally, Orphans of Doom. I'm frustrated in my attempts to take a picture portraying his pose to it's full dynamic potential, but this is the best I could get. I plan on having him being rewarded for his saving of some suicidal BA successors by them making his powerfist ornate... don't worry, I don't use the BA codex :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamrodMC Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 But his blasted combiweapon is impossible to get to stay together with the PVA glue That's because you should be using something stronger than that on the plastic parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Looking good, I really like the new models. Dave80y told me it was easier to paint before assembling, you might try that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught_Alpha Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 man I lol'd so hard at the captains weapon because it looks like a lego piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted March 1, 2011 Author Share Posted March 1, 2011 But his blasted combiweapon is impossible to get to stay together with the PVA glue That's because you should be using something stronger than that on the plastic parts. Unofrtunately, I live a long ways away from any well stocked hobby shop. I got the PVA glue from the local store, which has recently stopped selling any new GW products, and this PVA glue was all they had left... I'll have to order some new glue eventually, but that'll be after the tube rns out. Looking good, I really like the new models. Dave80y told me it was easier to paint before assembling, you might try that. When one such as Dave speaks, one should listen ;) I already do, to an extent - the Red Lords, for example, have their arms painted seperately. Oh, and thanks for the encouragement - I'm testing the paint now to see if it's too thick. I think it may be... I'll probably be testing out how much water I should add in my next update. man I lol'd so hard at the captains weapon because it looks like a lego piece It is a lego peice :) Thanks for the comments, guys, I'll be updating soon. Muller - I took your advice to the painting station - next time, I'll work from a white/grey base. I am testing to find a red for the marines just shown. When I do white/washes expirmentation, it'll be after I finish the LPC though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 You're going to kick yourself later if you're sticking all of these guys together with PVA glue. Doesn't one of your parents have some plastic/super glue lieing around? Most Dad's have a buttload of stuff like that in their garage/toolbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted March 1, 2011 Author Share Posted March 1, 2011 You're going to kick yourself later if you're sticking all of these guys together with PVA glue. Doesn't one of your parents have some plastic/super glue lieing around? Most Dad's have a buttload of stuff like that in their garage/toolbox. Oui, but I used it all... But why is using PVA glue bad? GW usually produces fairly high quality modelling supplies... and I'm already kicking myself for not ordering some glue with the squads -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Because PVA glue is designed for sticking paper/wood together. And its not great at sticking wood together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muller Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 ...................PVA glue. Ok, back to basics here. Use superglue on models (Loctite super attack is an excellent choice), clean the mould lines, etc. Oh and an aspiring techmarine wouldn't still be with his chapter, he'd be away being taught the practices of mars. When he'd have returned he would have become a full-fledged techmarine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Tip on the glue thing, try Revel its most likely to be the best glue for plastics around its also better than to use super glue due to its workings. http://www.victrixlimited.com/online_shop/images/VXGL001.jpg This is the one iam talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteridder Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I'm using Revell also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Tip on the glue thing, try Revel its most likely to be the best glue for plastics around its also better than to use super glue due to its workings. http://www.victrixlimited.com/online_shop/images/VXGL001.jpg This is the one iam talking about. I use this glue, and its great. Loctite is a good Super glue, for metal models. You can't honestly tell me PVA worked well? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atin Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 my point of advice is. if you use revel, let the glue dry a bit before you place the parts togethere. simply because it will stick better. otherwise you will have to hold till its dried up, with the danger of putting glue all over the model. atin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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