SpecialIssue Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Phew! Its a bit long for even my tastes - but thats part of the jobs of the critics. Purple prose anywhere? Grammar? Sentence structure? * Shock* glaring faults! The previous version can be found Here, including a looong debate with the venerable Nightrawen on the jurisdiction of astartes. (as to that debate - I don't think I've changed my mind very much from last time!) Also, I'm loathe to drop the selected battles I've made, as they were arguably the funnest part to write, but was wondering about their relevance... They do a good job of further showing the character of the chapter though - actions speak louder than words! Please C&C and thanks for your time! “We are not angels. Angels bring salvation, whereas the Eagle brings both the wings of deliverance and the talons of judgment. Vermin cower in the shadow of the Angel’s light – yet even in the darkness the Eagle spies them with keen suspicion, and swoops to crush them with beak and claw. So it shall be with us, not Angels or mere saviors; but guardians, arbiters, judges, Astartes – Eagles all.” ~ attributed to Supreme Justice Jurge Orllew, first Lord of the Guardian Eagles As part of the stoic lineage of Rogal Dorn, in many ways the Guardian Eagles follow their primogenitors’ legendary footsteps, possessing a well-known stubborn demeanor in their defense of Mankind – yet this is not what they have become known for. No, to the teeming many, the common Imperial citizenry, the Guardian Eagles are not just their protectors – not just their wards from alien horrors and galactic nightmares. The Guardian Eagles are also their subjugators, their arbitrators - wrathful judges without remorse, sympathy or peer who purge all deemed unworthy in the name of the Emperor. Origins and History The Guardian Eagles are an ancient chapter, with a history that goes back 9000 years of shrouded time to the 4th Founding, in early M.32. Much of the specifics of their early history are unknown – lost to the march of millennia and reduced to distant legend. What is known is that they were formed as a fleet based chapter from the line of Rogal Dorn, and their hallowed first master, Supreme Justice Orllew, supposedly stamped his unique mark on their temperament that endures today. The Second Tarot Schism, circa 350.M35 The swirling internecine conflict of the Tarot Wars draws the Guardian Eagles in on the side of the Puritans. The war lasts decades, and at its height rages over three sectors, involves 14 marine chapters and hundreds of Guard regiments; yet achieves nothing but producing ash. Despite this, the Guardian Eagles make themselves known to some of the most hard-line Astartes and Imperial organizations, with bonds of brotherhood and respect that survive to this present age. Unlike many other chapters whose beliefs have been influenced by some defining, watershed moment, the Guardian Eagles have experienced no such dramatics or shames that have changed their core beliefs. This is not to say that they have had a stable history though – far from it. The Eagles have weathered thousands of years of controversy over their grating temperament and policies, and have been to the brink of extinction numerous of times for it. For nearly 500 years they disappeared on a penitent crusade during the Apostasy. On at least two recorded occasions they have been counted as catastrophically reduced and subsequently destroyed. More exposed to the politics of petty men than most Astartes, the chapter has been embroiled in some of the most devastating internecine conflicts in the Imperium. Yet through this long history of endless war and persecution, the Eagles have always walked the narrow road they have set themselves, and come out even more determined in their beliefs because of it. Beliefs “I look at the traitor, the mutant and the heretic and see only weakness. They are those who cannot stand by themselves in strength of purpose, and so must feebly cry out for aid and clemency from others. They prop up their cowardice on crutches of darkness, clutch desperately at help from foul powers as weaklings; meekly bow before the night instead of having the strength to defy it. Their failure is sickening. I hate the traitor for his weakness as much as for his treason.” ~ Belia Stanislav, High Prosecutor of the Guardian Eagles The Guardian Eagles can be characterized as cold, calculating and uncompromising; judgmental, authoritarian and suspicious. They hold little respect for individual or innocent lives, for such concepts are heresy – every human belongs to the Emperor, and innocence is a lie. The chapter’s core views are characterized as belonging to the conservative dogma of Monodominance - it is humanity’s sole right to rule the galaxy, and the only way to do this is if everything else is destroyed. There is no tolerance for any kind of wayward behavior; no excuse for committing heresy, contemplation of heresy, or indecisiveness in dealing with heresy, and only one punishment for heresy – death. The chapter’s extremist definition of heresy encompasses everything from ‘sanctioned’ psykers, mutants, aliens and religious deviation through to laxity, incompetence, insubordination and cowardice. There is no reason why such hard line measures should not be taken when humanity is beset on all sides. The Final Hearing At the end of every Eagle’s life comes his final judgment, and the weighing of his worth by the chapter. All present gather at these important hearings, for it will determine how the fallen brother will be remembered. It is the Prosecution who goes first, lambasting the brother as a weakling and even heretic through fiery rhetoric or cold presentation of fact and evidence. Then the defense takes the stand, close brothers, sergeants, and even captains or lords listing the individual’s noble deeds and accomplishments, sacrifices and services. It is the chapter command who then act as the judge and jury – the 10 Justices, Supreme Justice, High Prosecutor and Tribunal, who retire behind closed doors to decide the legacy of the fallen. It is often an easy decision, for most brothers’ deeds far outweigh their failings, and the scales are tipped and gavel struck to allow another name to be added to the Court of Heroes. This is not to say it is unheard of to find those wanting – too many failures, suspect character or a record short of deeds will just as easily tip the balance against, and consign the marine to a fate worse than death – the obliteration of his legacy and mark on the chapter. Every Guardian Eagle knows that this final judgment is the most important one of not just their lives, but their existence, and makes them even more determined to ensure that their conduct meets the righteous standards of the chapter. One of the most distinctive features of the Guardian Eagle’s mindset is their demand for open suspicion, bordering on paranoia in everyone – ally, friend and brother. The chapter believes the stakes are too high for mere vigilance –what is needed is omnipresent monitoring, and constant judgment. Heresy is often committed unwittingly, and the slightest deviance leads to damnation – therefore, every Eagle is conditioned to protect his brothers by scrutinizing and condemning them for the smallest fault, and be likewise grateful for this judgment, correction and protection. This sense of constant suspicion penetrates so deep into an Eagles’ psyche that it is relatively common for brothers to actually implicate themselves for potential deviance, let alone others. Life (and death) in the chapter is subject to constant judgment of merit. Every Marine aspirant has been broken psychologically and emotionally by Prosecutors, their former personalities eradicated. Omniscient monitoring in chapter facilities analyzes body language, conversation and activity to unmask the smallest thought-heresy. After-action reviews are essentially judicial trials of conduct. Deviance in character, failure in duty and tactical error leads to personal sessions with a Prosecutor in the Interrogatium, or a hearing with chapter officials. Mind-wipes or lobotomies of the chapter’s own members are not uncommon, nor are arco-flagellations unheard of. All these practices are viewed dispassionately as common sense and responsible necessity – indeed, the Eagles accuse the wider Imperium of recklessness by not adopting such high standards. “Judgment is not a pronouncement or a decision. It is a state of mind, and requires neither innocence nor guilt – only sentencing.”The chapter’s paranoia extends even into the mind. To the Guardian Eagles, actions and thoughts are one and the same, equally as damning and punishable. While the Imperium might seek to only physically repress its citizens, the Eagles have the conviction that this power must be extended in full to thoughts. Only when the claw of the Aquila is embedded in every human psyche, directing them to fully love the Emperor both in deed and heart, will the filthy warp be tamed. To this end, the chapter is interested in psychological control techniques free from the taint of the warp; chems, nervous conditioning, thought manipulation, hypnotics and augments are all applied on its own members and others in equal measure. Indeed, what is most controversial about the Eagles is that outsiders do not escape any of this paranoia or strict judgment. Unlike many others, the chapter sees part of the duty of Astartes as being judges and enforcers, with the prerogative to police and impose discipline where they see fit. When a semblance of weakness is perceived, the chapter is famous for the brutal punishments it metes out, ruthlessly intimidating survivors into a new period of public fear, submission and stability with the threat: “We will return.” The Guardian Eagles maintain that no man, organization or world is above their scrutiny, and with their unappeasable standards often cause outrage with sneering accusations, unilateral population culls and disposal of Imperial officials and Governors. In everything they do, the Guardian Eagles seek to very publicly show the power of the Emperor - and His intolerance. Survival comes through power and persecution alone, and humanity needs a strict hierarchy, law and discipline to ensure stability. To be true guardians of the Imperium means perpetuating the harsh authority it was founded and survives on. This potential arrogance is conversely tempered by the chapter’s own belief in hierarchy and paranoia of even their own motivations. Though the Eagles will always hold natural distrust of even those they hold in high regard, they are just as suspicious of themselves as outsiders, and don’t excuse themselves from the hierarchical power that they believe in so much. Thus, just as brothers within the chapter welcome judgment and accusation from their peers, so is the chapter willing to accept such decisions passed from others – provided it is by those they view as having proper authority. Understandably, there has always been controversy between Eagle and outsider on exactly what organizations hold this authority. For all this, the Guardian Eagles are largely similar to most Astartes regarding the status of the Emperor and primarchs; great men, but not gods. However, symbols of Imperial authority, primarily the blessed Aquila, are seen as potent signs of allegiance and the enduring nature of His realm. Subsequently, the hallowed eagle is given greater import than in other chapters, festooning livery, rhetoric, armor, weapons and even ships. The importance placed on symbols of Imperial power is further seen in the chapter’s policy towards monuments. Temples, churches, palaces, fortresses, statues – the Eagles will defend all stubbornly, no matter the cost to themselves or to those they are protecting. All this is not out of undue spirituality or religiousness – but merely a calculated way to enforce Imperial authority and morale. The Eagles wish to portray the authority of the Emperor as infallible – what better way to do this than to ensure His structures and symbols are so? Imperial Relations “You are guilty in this court until proven deceased, at which point you will be referred to the highest Justice, the Honorable Emperor of Mankind, for final judgment and processing.”~ former Supreme Justice Gheist, 32nd Lord of the Guardian Eagles The Monodominant sect is a widespread one, found in all levels of Imperial society – including the notorious Inquisition, where it is one of the most established powerbases. The attitudes of Guardian Eagle and puritan Inquisitor mesh well; the chapter has close ties with conservative Inquisitors throughout the local sectors and beyond. The Guardian Eagles accept assignments from such individuals frequently, and this has led to accusations within Imperial power circles that the chapter is too closely associated with the puritans. The Guardian Eagles have always violently refuted this, but are also secretly pleased – suspicion is a value they would very much like to encourage among the more indolent Imperial organizations, and welcome it as the necessary functioning of government. Besides, it is not as though those they cooperate with are above judgment – the chapter’s history is littered with such fools whose power granted them no such amnesty. In addition, the importance the chapter assigns to symbols of Imperial power has meant the Guardian Eagles have been the salvation of many Ecclesiarch buildings through the long centuries, which has gained them somewhat of a reputation amongst the priesthood. Yet despite all their advances, the Guardian Eagles maintains a cordial detachment from the organization. Not for them the false bliss of religion, a tool to control the needy, clamoring masses; but the cold determination of humanity’s destiny. On the other hand, few other chapters or organizations live up to the Eagles’ strict standards on purity, penitence and ruthlessness – other more nobly-minded Astartes are known to take open displeasure at the Eagles’ practices, and blows have been traded throughout the chapter’s history on this fact. The few chapters that the Eagles do keep healthy relationships with are their likeminded brethren, the likes of the zealous Black Templars and fanatically pure Red Scorpions. The suspicious streak that runs through the chapter can however make them very testing to work with – the Eagles’ habits of forever second-guessing their allies, looking for signs of treachery and leering at suspect loyalties has always drawn attacks from those unwilling to accept these insults; while the unilateral policies of intervening in the governing affairs of worlds and taking the law into their own hands is always controversial. The chapter is polarizing – some viewing its recognition of Imperial power structure and conservatism as welcome, while others seeing its views as dangerously overstepping the jurisdiction of Astartes. Imperial tolerance has waxed, waned and been pushed to the brink many times, and disciplinary actions and even penitent crusades litter the chapter’s history and threatened its continued existence. Without an ancient heritage of indisputable loyalty, instances where they have been correct in their suspicions, and supporters in significant conservative power blocs, the chapter would almost certainly have been more harshly dealt with long ago. Whether the chapter’s interventionism and grating character will continue to be tolerated remains to be seen. Homeworld and Fleet The Goldhein Heresy, circa 101.M33 The only major insurrection against Imperial rule on Domineul occurred early in the history of the Guardian Eagles. The legend tells of how a member of the planet’s governing conclave, Immaniu Goldhein came into possession of a mysterious book, with its insidious theories taking eight others with him down the path of Chaos. Only one remained to oppose the heresy – the mysterious figurehead of Domineul, only known as ‘Great Brother’ and seen daily in the world’s propaganda material, leading the planet in fiery devotion to the Emperor. For some reason the heretics are unable to shut off the ancient systems that keep these messages running, or silence the ‘man’ making them, and Domineul erupts in civil war. The Guardian Eagles are first on the scene, and with Imperial aid purge the heretics over 2 years. Goldhein himself, however, remained unaccounted for. To this day he is vilified by the mysterious ‘Great Brother’ and accused of plotting anew from within dark places, while the horrific book is still whispered of, and hunted with fervor by the heretic, Inquisitor, and Eagle alike. The Guardian Eagles are designated a fleet-based chapter, and therefore have no world they officially claim, instead plying the stars for an eternity of battle. However, this is not the whole truth – throughout the chapter’s history, one planet has been considered as special, a place that conforms to their values and produces a large number of their recruits – Domineul. Located in the far west of Segmentum Ultima, near the galactic core, Domineul is a sprawling prison-world and hub of martial activity in the Gamut Sector. One third of the planet’s landmass is covered by hive-prisons and factories, choked under ash-laden skies. Perpetual gang warfare rages on the dilapidated streets; legions of Arbites and PDF deploy daily into the inmate hives to restore order and force the population to the work shift. Once the day’s shift is done, these enforcers then leave, letting the cell-hives tear themselves apart again, for Domineul is far from just a mere prison – it is a prime training ground for all forces of the Imperium. Here on the streets of the cell-hives, storm troopers, Guard regiments, Arbite houses and the odd Astartes are blooded, tested and even recruited. Those areas not given over to holding cells on Domineul are under the heel of one of the most oppressive police states in the Imperium. Menacing propaganda blasts continuously – vast pict-screens cast brooding messages of suspicion, daily ‘Hate-casts’ whipping the population into frenzies of patriotic rage at imagined traitors. Billions of vox/pict-thieves in streets, factories, and homes are monitored around the clock by banks of servitor-cogitators, the smallest crime condemnation to be tortured and brainwashed, or simply thrown into the savage hive-prisons. Fully a quarter of Domineul’s ‘free’ population are informers to the martial central government – or the Inquisition, which has a significant presence on the planet. The towering skyline is dominated by the monolithic Schola Progenium and Inquisitorial basilica, and nearly everyone not incarcerated on the planet is involved in martial and policing activity. With this tight security, pacified populace and unique training conditions, Domineul is an important marshalling point for Imperial forces, hailed as a haven by conservatives the galaxy over. It is testament to the Guardian Eagles’ close relations with several organizations and personalities that the chapter is allowed to interact extensively with this busy planet, maintaining a small shipyard behind Domineul’s moon. Recruits are usually drawn from the extensive law enforcement and defense garrisons, these boys exposed daily to the vicious armed combat across the world. The population of Domineul is highly regimented, judgmental and grim, and unquestionably loyal to the Imperium. Most defining of all, they possess a natural air of suspicion towards all around them, ingrained from a lifetime of monitoring and indoctrination. The Guardian Eagles respect these highly disciplined and subservient people, considering them paragons of proper Imperial society, and indeed many of their beliefs and practices have been assimilated from this unique culture. Fleet “Alis aquilae, judicium” – on an eagle’s wings, judgment“Ex astra mortis” – from the stars, death The current fleet assets of the Guardian Eagles are comparably short on the larger ships-of-the-line that Astartes boast – possessing only 6 Strike Cruisers and the single battle barge Death of Innocence that functions as their headquarters and fortress monastery. This is mostly due to the attrition the chapter has suffered as part of their recent and previous penitent crusades, as well as the politicking that has historically plagued the chapter surrounding significant procurements. With this recent dearth of capital ships, the chapter has come to use the significant number of escorts of the Hunter, Gladius and Nova classes as rapid-response and independent recon vessels. Sent on independent missions to enforce the Eagles’ brand of justice on Imperial worlds, each is able to cleanse a few cults, enforce discipline and execute a lax governor – tasks that don’t require an entire battle barge or strike cruiser. What larger ships the chapter does possess are all ancient, fearsome, even by Astartes standards – each a symbol of Imperial power, prows and flanks shaped in the likeness of monstrous, predatory eagles to inspire shock and awe. The Guardian Eagles utilize these ships in this manner whenever possible, blasting entire continents with propaganda and even using weapons to physically carve monumental messages of Imperial supremacy into the land. It is not surprising or unknown for worlds to capitulate merely on this show of power alone, and further adds to the infamy of the chapter. Organisation Current Strength, circa 999.M41 Chapter Command: Hadrian Kommodus, Supreme Justice and Lord of the Guardian Eagles 25 Honor Guard, “The Tribunal” ~1,500 chapter equerries and servitors Interrogatium: Belia Stanislav, High Prosecutor 11 Prosecutor-Chaplains ~150 arco-flagellants, “The Appeal” Armory: Tybalt Proctor, Master of the Arsenal 23 Techmarines 1001 Tech Servitors 18 Predators 12 Vindicators 10 Whirlwinds 14 Land Raiders Coroner: Nemius Thorel, Justice of the Peace 13 Apothecaries Fleet Command: 6 Strike Cruisers (High Justice, Iron Talon, Guilty Verdict, Void Eagle, Discipline, True Wrath) Battle Barge Death of Innocence 21 Rapid Strike Vessels 32 Thunderhawk Gunships 1st Company, “The Judges”: Captain Ilisha Oberast, Justice of Execution 2nd Company, “The Jury” Captain Judar Siniscarr, Justice of Punishment 3rd Company, “The Accusers” Captain Ophel Syscilla, Justice of Persecution 4th Company, “The Verdict” Captain Urseus Brascht, Justice of Repression 5th Company, “The Sentence" Captain Zoryn Kazimier, Justice of Discipline 8th Company, “The Sanction” Captain Kaidus Gripen, Justice of Intervention 9th Company, “The Adjournment” Captain Goddard Torfus, Justice of Damages 10th Company, “The Inquest” Captain Joscheau Zaqeed, Justice of Inquiry The Guardian Eagles are a codex chapter by and large; with at first glimpse a standard ten-company/command layout, albeit with differing titles and nomenclature. However, there are several notable exceptions, one of the most obvious being the lack of a Librarium or any Librarians – such warp filth is despised by the Chapter. Non-psychic duties (such as record keeping) filled by this organ are instead folded into the Interrogatium and its Prosecutor-Chaplains, who themselves also hold considerably more command authority than in other chapters – in some ways over even the captains or chapter lord himself. In addition, the chapter also has the practice of keeping an additional distinct fighting force, known as “The Appeal”. Here are those wretched souls who have confessed their sins to the Eagles, and wish to redeem themselves – by serving as arco-flagellants. Coming from ‘disciplined’ civilian populations, Guard regiments, failed aspirants or serfs, or even disgraced Marines from the Eagles’ own ranks, “The Appeal” is chosen very carefully and are special as they have been given more than a bolt to the head. They must have committed to the eyes of most outsiders the most minor of crimes (such as theft or thought-crime) and are also subject to physical and spiritual requirements before their appeal may begin. Coming under the direction of the Interrogatium, “The Appeal” is most often spread throughout the different deployments of the chapter. Currently, the Guardian Eagles are recovering from the losses sustained as part of their most recent penitent crusade 54 years ago, numbering approximately 600 battle-brothers in total and missing the 6th and 7th Companies, with all others Companies under-strength. Combat Doctrine As expected by the Guardian Eagles’ beliefs, their combat doctrine is equally as uncompromising. Despite organized as a Codex chapter, the Guardians prefer not to sneak in the shadows, or strike with adequate surgical force. Instead, they seek to meet the enemy openly, striking with heavy handed strength unmatched in raw power and glory. Heavy armor, heavy firepower are thus what the Guardian Eagles prefer, the unstoppable massed strike of hulking tanks, Terminators and dreadnoughts showcasing the Emperor’s wrath through total destruction. In addition, the Eagles also extensively utilize their auxiliary force; that is, their ‘company’ of arco-flagellants and penitent servitors. Deployed as expendable line-breaking close combat shock troops, these waves shield the advance and cause disruption and fear amongst the enemy, their psychotic frenzies a contrast to the ordered and calm advance of the Eagles. The chapter is not shy about collateral damage inflicted on civilian or friendly forces – saturation orbital bombardments, indiscriminant ordnance employment and even ‘massed battlefield disciplinary actions’ are all relatively common. Orbital bombardments often presage any combat action where possible, no matter the circumstances – from a worldwide invasion to even a squad-level skirmish. This unbridled display of power is calculated as much to inspire loyalty and fear in allies who witness it as to the raw destruction it unleashes on enemies. In addition, the Guardian Eagles maintain the genetic legacy of Dorn and his Imperial Fists in their stubborn, unyielding nature. This trait manifests in their continued pressing of the attack, or dogged defense to the last – they are not a chapter wont to retreat once committed, even if momentum of the initial blow is lost. In this case, a grinding, slower advance is led by Terminators and armor, conservatively pressing forward to slowly crush the enemy through methodical movement, weight of fire and inexonerable pressure. It is an unwritten value that the Guardian Eagles prefer clean destruction at range to close combat, believing that getting close to foes increases the chances of heretical ‘infection’ by them. That does not mean however, that an Eagle will shirk from the deed if duty demands it – just an increased level of interrogation after action. Battle Cry The Guardian Eagles are notable for their cold demeanor in battle, silently executing orders or calmly condemning the enemy in spiteful verses of judgment. However, when the frenzy of battle or the vileness of the enemy grows too much to bear, the Eagles utilize the spontaneous, brutal damnation of “Guilty! Guilty! GUILTY!” Selected Battle Honors Honor Won, Heretic Absolved, 756.M35 The fleet of the Guardian Eagles’ 1st, 2nd and 4th Companies fights an apocalyptic battle with the Word Bearers in the void around the Maelstrom. Despite suffering punishing losses, including destruction of the strike cruiser Golden Death and worse, the capture of the battle barge Infinite Vengeance, the Eagles reap their own tally of vessels, and it is the Word Bearers who withdraw first. “May your heresy be absolved in death.” Prosecutor Xavis, circa 756.M35 During battle, the chapter’s second battle barge Eagle Incarnate smashes into a Chaos flagship and vicious boarding actions rage. His retinue slain, Supreme Justice Zaikur alone holds a breach leading directly to the bridge for 27 hours, saving his ship from damnation. When relief arrives, Zaikur confesses his conviction that he is tainted by close contact with Chaos and must be put down. Prosecutor Xavis promptly draws his bolt pistol and administers justice to the heretic. The Branding of Tychus, 458.M37 In orbit above the Traitor-held hives of Tychus, the Eagles utilize one of their favored propaganda tools on a massive scale. Using starship weapon batteries and lances, they carve colossal messages of damnation onto the face of the planet, threatening the population to surrender and die quickly. Sprawling an entire continent, the massive brand of the Imperial Aquila that scars Tychus’ surface is clearly visible from space, and is a minor pilgrimage site to this day. The First Cleansing of Yaldritch, circa 650.M37 Landing on the civilized planet, the Eagles find a prosperous and loyal world untouched by war, ruled in benevolence. Yet the illusion is shattered when the chapter discovers open condemnation of current Imperial policies are allowed to be circulated among the population for ‘discussion’ and ‘democratic’ reasons. Such encouragement to heretics is not to be tolerated, and the Eagles destroy the headquarters of each political cult with Terminators, orbital bombardment and Thunderhawk strafing runs, before executing the weak Governor. The planet is crushed under the iron-shod boot of martial law within the year. The Second Cleansing of Yaldritch, 656.M37 Yaldritch rebels against the strict government implemented for it, and war rages for 2 years. The Guardian Eagles return, and blast the planet with propaganda and shows of force from orbit before beginning the assault. The rebellion ceases almost immediately, fear of the Space Marines etched into the planet’s culture, but the Eagles push the attack anyway, slaughtering those surrendering to them. “Judgment awaits, atonement beckons - your death arrives.” last message before commencement of operations on Yaldritch In the aftermath, the real work begins – 1 in 5 of the population are executed, imprisoned or lobotomized by the chapter as an example. The planet has continued to be hotbed of dissent to this day, and the Eagles make regular forays back to find suitable ‘auxiliaries’. Guardian Angels, 987.M37 On a penitent crusade, the Guardian Eagles travel far, to a distant system that has seen the touch of another Astartes chapter – the Guardian Angels. There the Eagles find a weak government without the jackboot of oppression to keep the populace safe, apparently in homage to the Angels. Finding a single mutant cult imbedded on a world, the Guardian Eagles are vindicated and their characteristically brutal campaign of repression begins; executing the Governor for laxity, they convince the population of her heresy and support bloody pogroms and coup to impose martial law, before leaving the system secure. The Guardian Angels are furious at this insult to their accomplishments, and the chapters have clashed in considerable violence on the few occasions they have met since. The Fate of Hive Telireem, circa 440.M40 War rages on the hive-world of Jusuere Secundus, caught in the path of an Ork Waaagh! A six-month siege for Hive Telireem is lifted by the Guardian Eagles 4th Company just as Orks start to swarm over the walls and up the hive. Executing the ruling Magister for incompetence and sloth, assault squad ‘Invocation’ then detonates a fission device under the topmost spires, where the ruling elite still recline in luxury. Two cubic miles of jagged steel is sent tumbling and sliding down the north slopes of the beleaguered hive, obliterating everything in its path and utterly destroying the Ork army. 120 million die, and the hive is saved. Enemy Adjourned, 563.M41 The 9th Company of the Guardian Eagles lives up to its title when deployed on the manufacturing world Forscythe against Waaagh Bonesplitz. For three weeks, the entire company’s guns run hot as they repulse a perpetual green tide thrown at the last area of resistance, the forge master’s sprawling manufactorum. Gun barrels are changed every minute as they melt under the heat, ammunition belts and magazines linked directly back to the immense production lines or plugged into the power grid. While literal mountains of bodies and debris pile up outside the doors, tons of smoking brass is dumped over the walls to crush the oncoming horde. Despite all this, the defenders are slaughtered to the man, Captain Vorsf and his last command found atop a mountain of spent shell casings and bodies, guns fused shut and said to be still hot to the touch. The Hondor Secession, 279.M41-339.M41 The Guardian Eagles play an integral part in the 60-year long conflict in the Hondor system, during which the capital planet, Hondor IX, is razed and its population reduced by 70%. ‘The Verdict’ make a dramatic company-strength aerial insertion into the heart of the capital city, securing the hotly-contested Governor’s fortress – and maintain this position for 5 years, till war’s end. Despite the pleading from Imperial commanders for assistance on other fronts, the Eagles hold position, committing only paltry forces to offensive raids. “To secede from the realm of the Emperor means to secede from the realm of the living.” Captain Rexul, Justice of Repression, Unbreakable of Hondor At war’s end, the only intact building on the planet is the colossal Governor’s palace. The Eagles then bombard the surroundings flat, so this monolithic edifice lords over the wasteland for hundreds of kilometers – leaving a potent symbol of Imperial supremacy to cow those few who remain. The Betrayal of Inquisitor Frelisch, 926.M41 The influential Inquisitor Frelisch asked for the Guardian Eagles’ aid on several occasions to cleanse corrupted Inquisitors he had identified, tasks which the Eagles go about with relish. When it is found he was merely getting rid of rivals for a petty power grab, the Eagles are rightly furious and storm Frelisch’s massive personal palace. Burning the traitor’s kingdom to the ground, they then make something useful out of him – a servitor, which accompanies any of their appearances to the Inquisition to this day. The Eagles accept a 20-year penitent crusade as punishment from an Inquisitorial conclave. The Retrial of the Penitent Gidius Karyle, 989.M41 Fighting the cornered Tau in the ruins of Hive Cesurid, the entirety of “The Appeal” is unleashed in force to breach the Tau lines. The screaming, animalistic charge rips through the alien’s order of battle in a mad hour of psychotic flailing and butchery. One such repentant soul is redeemed in the eyes of the Eagles during the battle, seen in numerous acts of "significant noble vigor”; including leaping to single-handedly eviscerate the airborne Tau Crisis command complement, crushing enemy morale. The penitent Gidius Karyle was subsequently recognized as having served his sentence, and redeemed in service to the Emperor – the second time in recorded history anyone has earned this from the Eagles. The Tersius Annihilation, 993.M41 A splinter fleet of Hive Fleet Kraken meets its end in a decisive fleet action around the planet Tersius IV. Coordinated by Supreme Justice Kommudus, the chapter and Imperial Navy hold the Tyranids in lower orbit while St. Sybalt, Guided Hand and Governor Hummus use their nova cannons, cyclonic torpedoes and planet killer batteries to blast the moon L-12-CX towards Tersius IV and into the Tyranid fleet. The beast-ships are torn apart in a storm of meteors and dragged down to the death of both planetoids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Hell-o. B) I'm not going to comment on the judge/arbiter theme since we had this discussion already without any decisive conclusion. (I still disagree with it. ;) ) But... The paranoia and strict authoritarianism of the chapter is not only restricted to outsiders, but also extends into the ranks. Every Marine aspirant is first broken psychologically and emotionally by Prosecutors, eradicating any trace of former personality before rebuilt as a heartless Guardian Eagle. This interrogation regimen continues endlessly throughout service, and every step of life (and death) is subject to intense scrutiny and judgment of merit. Omniscient vox/pict-thieves in chapter facilities analyze body language, conversation and activity to unmask the smallest thought-heresy. After-action reviews are essentially judicial trials of conduct. Deviance in character, failure in duty and tactical error leads to personal sessions with a Prosecutor in the Interrogatium, or a hearing with chapter officials. Not even the Marines themselves are immune from their own paranoia – it is relatively common for brothers to actually implicate themselves for potential heresy, let alone others. Mind-wipes or lobotomies of the chapter’s own members are also not uncommon, nor are arco-flagellations unheard of, both carried out in the notorious Cell 101 upon the Death of Innocence. - This is far-fetched and quite contraproductive. Trust is very important in the military. If you don't/cannot trust your battle brothers, how could you form a efficient unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialIssue Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 Why Nightrawen, its a pleasure to lock horns with you again. ;) I suspected that you might latch onto that point... The Guardian Eagles' judgmental nature is not that of the wide-eyed fire-and-brimstone fanatic that gets all emotional - they are heartless and cold, like robots, in their judgment of each other and outsiders. Their personalities have been conditioned to view suspicion as normal and necessary, and not to take it personally - they expect their brothers to be paranoid, and welcome it as what good marines would do to protect each other - for heresy can also be unwittingly committed by one, and it often falls to others to point out this failing. While they are vigilant for any signs of weakness in each other and will not hesitate to voice the tiniest concerns for the conduct of their brethren, that doesn't mean they allow it to impair combat efficiency and the indeed, their chain of command, their hierarchy; a concept that is just as core in their beliefs. Their paranoia refers to their belief that even the tiniest deviance can lead to heresy ("I saw him looking too long at that fallen traitor's body, better check him out Prosecutor"), and is even heresy in itself. Call it high standards if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialIssue Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 Slipping into oblivion on the third page, this IA has been bumped by my righteous hand. Did a few touch ups and rewording in run up to campaign. Is it done? What I am concerned with mostly is length. There is still some stuff I actually want to add, but was wondering if the article was already a bit too long... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaj Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 They kind of make me think of Night Lords before there ranks were sullyed by criminals. However that may be just me! The little side-sections are interesting and add to the overall IA and whilst I prefer to concentrate on single battles in any fluff for my chapter(s) or non-marine armies. I can see why you would enjoy writing them. I'm not sure they would get along with my Void Barons though! As the whole concept of judging your own brothers would be considered dishonourable to them for such an act must be the sole realm of the chaplains. Still I like what you've wrote and may the Guardian Eagles bring judgment to many a traitor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialIssue Posted May 14, 2011 Author Share Posted May 14, 2011 They kind of make me think of Night Lords before there ranks were sullyed by criminals. However that may be just me! Not at all - the NLs are what people generally seem to draw parallels with the GEs. Not sure it was what I was going for - the NLs I imagined were always about terror - you know, switching off the lights before an attack; claws, wings, night, bats etc. Terror from the night and the dark, the boogeymen who would claw at you from the shadows if you were naughty. The GEs are about open judgment and public condemnation - putting the fear of the Emperor through shows of brute force and show trials. A powerful eagle out of the blue rather than a terrifying bat out of hell. Hammers of judgment instead of talons of terror. Your hard-ass lawyer dad instead of that scary janitor with smirking eyes. But anyways, so long as you liked it, I'm happy! Thanks for reading! ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epistolary Exander Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 I really like what you have done here with the Eagles, but I believe at some point Karma would have caught up with them. I really like the eagles in many ways they remind of the pre-heresy World Eaters, utterly uncompromising & brutal. I have question for you about the Eagles; What would the Eagles do if the entire chapter’s they have royally pooped over decided to club together and a fleet to Domineul? I mean a fleet compromised of what 20-30 chapters’s at least, containing dozens of capital ships & thousands of Astartes of different beliefs & colours. I believe I am being conservative with such an amount of aggrieved chapters. The only thing on the Armada’s mind is the destruction of a rogue Astartes chapter & the armada gives Domineul the one option to surrender & hand over the Eagles or face the Emperor’s wrath. In the face of such a force of this strength the Eagles inquisitorial allies would have to surrender the Eagles over to the armada or plunge the galaxy into another civil war. The Astartes are proud of their autonomy & their honour as the Emperor’s finest warriors. The last thing they would want is for a chapter to be running around the galaxy literally carving out feuds with other imperial organizations & creating unnecessary hassle in their lives. The fact that the Eagles appear to act as a private army for the inquisition, could easily be viewed as a dangerous precedent of the Astartes loosing their Emperor given autonomy. You only have to look at the Debab War to look at how Astartes treat the matter of their inpendence, the Eagles actions are painting big target on them to their detractors to see. Especially as the Eagles are uncompromising in their actions & more importantly they are doing this in full view of the wider Imperium. Lorgar got publically humiliated for worshipping the Emperor, I would hate to see what the current unflinching Imperium would do the Eagles for their wanton destruction of other Imperial organizations possessions. Surely they would have unwittingly destroyed significant inquisitorial, mechanicus, navy, guard & other astartes possessions down the years? Any of these organizations individually could push for the Eagles to be declared Excommunicate Traitoris, but eventually there is a tipping point to where there is nothing the Eagles allies can say or do to protect them for their actions. Many chapters have been destroyed for doing much less than the Eagles have done. The Eagles could possibly be allowed to survive if they didn’t rock the boat so much, or just simply stayed out of the way of the rest of the Imperium. Yet the Eagles do not, they openly place themselves at the mercy of their peers, so they can be judged. Yes the Eagles could be forgiven & allowed to go on penitence crusade, but the Eagles have been numerous penitence crusades all for the same reasons (basically being excessively nasty). This shows that Eagles have not learnt their lesson, and they never will! All this bad karma they have caused would have caught up with them a long time ago unfortunately, because after all the Imperium is made up humans & we all like to see justice served. In many ways it would be ironic for Eagles to be wiped out for believing they were judge jury & executioner . I cant express enough how much I like & how interesting I find your chapter, its just I don’t believe they would ever have been allowed to get away with their actions in such a manor for 9 millennia. Exander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 I like the concept very much. However, at the moment it's a bit obstructed by excessive verbiage. The writing's really the weak spot here at the moment. I'd recommend going through and simplifying as much as you can - it'll make it both more readable and shorter (which is another way to be more readable). I'm not a big fan of the name, to be honest. Not entirely sure why. I think it might be interesting if the GEs occasionally punished themselves for not punishing others hard enough. Add an interesting dimension of twisted affection to the whole thing. I'd reconsider the name Prosecutors. It sounds inherently unbalanced. I don't think the GE would see themselves that way. They're like Fox News - 100% fair and balanced, especially if you ask them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialIssue Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 @Exander: thanks for the critique! on your few points, here's my counter-battery fire... 1. The Guardian Eagles don't interfere with other astartes directly. They may sneer and criticize their methods without hesitation, but remember they have a strict belief in hierarchy. In that hierarchy, other marines are above what the chapter sees as their "legal jurisdiction" - they are both given the same sovereignty by their link to the Emperor and primarchs. I do not think other marines will take such offense from verbal insults to form an alliance and travel across the galaxy to come for the Eagles as you have described :D. Others chapters have treated each other worse than that without resorting to open warfare. And the galaxy is a very big place. 2. I view that the accusations that the chapter is too in cahoots with the =I= are merely that - mud-slinging in a political and internecine Imperium. Other chapters of similar and even less stature enjoy closer relations to allies in other organisations. Fire Angels with the Ecclesiarchy, Novamarines with the Deathwatch, of course the Iron Hands and their successors, and even the Minotaurs with the High Lords. I feel I have mentioned the baggage that comes with such relations, and such politics are in fact tolerated to an extent in the Imperium. 3. Destruction of Imperial property? If anything, the Eagles place much more importance on materials and symbols than lives, as covered in the IA. They aren't reckless, but extremely calculating and without mercy. Plus the fact that they are constantly paranoid and judgmental about themselves perversely helps to reign in any excesses. After battle, the trial and retroactive scrutiny begins for every Eagle... "so, was the excessive damage that you caused in fact a Chaos whisper to help weaken the Imperium, Captain?" 4. Yes, the Eagles put themselves in danger by sticking their necks out and accepting others' judgment. But i believe that this is part of what endears them to the Imperium - the idea of having a marine chapter accepting your authority is very nice for Imperial officials. Also, it is the common citizenry and minor officials who feel the brunt of their wrath. The upper echelon elite who make the important decisions for the most part kind of like the eagles for the respect of their property and hierarchy, which is unique among the astartes. I'd imagine even radicals respect the Eagles' strict obedience and self-policing to an extent, if not their beliefs. This the main point - the chapter's history of fervent self-discipline/policing and respect for Imperial authority overrules their interventionist nature, in the eyes of many in power. 5. I believe that time and size of the galaxy are on the chapter's side. The vast Imperium is for the most part recorded by the minds of men, with ordinary memories and limited reach. While the Eagles cause political uproar when they execute an official that fails to live up to their standards, or steer a world's governing affairs to something more authoritarian, they make sure to leave the situation stable and firmly in Imperial hands. Frankly, in the vast Imperium, most people couldn't give a damn about such inconsequential affairs, as long as tithes are paid and allegiance is kept - controversy will die down fast. Slow communications also plays a part, helping to cool outrage over time, and the penitent crusades the chapter has been sent on likewise would help to cool relations, as by the time most of these end, the chapter's main detractors would probably have long died off. I like the concept very much. However, at the moment it's a bit obstructed by excessive verbiage. The writing's really the weak spot here at the moment. I'd recommend going through and simplifying as much as you can - it'll make it both more readable and shorter (which is another way to be more readable). the story of my life. :) got any particular examples you'd recommend i change? I'm not a big fan of the name, to be honest. Not entirely sure why. sounds like Guardian Angels, but highlights the differences between that image and what the chapter thinks is a true guardian. I think it has a nice ring to it. Not Angels, but Eagles. Plus they do like symbols of imperial authority, and festoon their armor with aquilas. ;) I think it might be interesting if the GEs occasionally punished themselves for not punishing others hard enough. Add an interesting dimension of twisted affection to the whole thing. hehe. Exactly what I was thinking :) The main idea for em in the Liber Campaign is to engage in a storm of self-persecution and flagellation when they find out actions by their forbearers hundreds of years ago helped chaos. Thus, the paranoia and the thoughts that "we are pawns for chaos", "we weren't vigilant enough", "we're all heresy abettors". The current captain, who trained under the commander of the detachment that helped recover the relic eons ago, demands to undergo arco-flagellation, believing to be tainted through his tutor, and the Prosecutor later executes himself for not being vigilant enough. Plus lots of mind-wipes everywhere. :tu: I'd reconsider the name Prosecutors. It sounds inherently unbalanced. I don't think the GE would see themselves that way. They're like Fox News - 100% fair and balanced, especially if you ask them. I think I'll keep it. Keeps the judicial nomenclature intact, and I've always thought the prosecutors act as sort of the 'devil's advocate' in the chapter, always questioning, accusing, prying at motivations. Its apt I think. Their role in the chapter isn't supposed to be fair judges, but ruthless prosecutors keeping everyone on their toes. Again, thanks for the critique! Uni exams are coming up, so might not have time to get back and edit soon though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epistolary Exander Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 These are well thought out arguments, but I believe you are missing the crux of what I what trying to convey in my previous post which is summed by this quote of NightRaven The Guardian Eagles are also their subjugators, their arbitrators, wrathful judges without remorse, sympathy or peer who viciously persecute and purge all deemed unworthy in the name of the Emperor.- A problem. That's the job of Adeptus Arbites. Poking your nose in the other Adepta's business is outside of your mandate and therefore dangerous and risky thing. What your chapter is doing is going around the galaxy is akin to at the very least poking its nose in other peoples affairs, at the worst a very bad case of happy slapping other Imperial organisations. No body no in today’s world likes someone who does that, let alone in 40k verse where everyone is on edge & extremely opinionated of their role/ rights in the Imperium. The Eagles are just asking for problems. How the Eagles have changed “their” role in the Imperium is setting a bad precedent, what if the Mechanicum wanted to stop training techmarines or if the Navy decided it wasn’t their job to ferry the Guard around. I mean its something you just don’t do in the close minded 40k verse. 1. The Guardian Eagles don't interfere with other Astartes directly. They may sneer and criticize their methods without hesitation, but remember they have a strict belief in hierarchy. In that hierarchy, other marines are above what the chapter sees as their "legal jurisdiction" - they are both given the same sovereignty by their link to the Emperor and Primarchs. I do not think other marines will take such offense from verbal insults to form an alliance and travel across the galaxy to come for the Eagles as you have described . Others chapters have treated each other worse than that without resorting to open warfare. And the galaxy is a very big place. Yes the Astartes would do that. What your chapter is doing getting involved with other very protective Imperial organisations. What your chapter is doing is of a similar magnitude to if I had my Martyrs running around the Imperium converting planets to worshipping psykers as the chosen kin of the Emperor as they believe. We all know what the end result of that would be ;). 2. I view that the accusations that the chapter is too in cahoots with the =I= are merely that - mud-slinging in a political and internecine Imperium. Other chapters of similar and even less stature enjoy closer relations to allies in other organisations. Fire Angels with the Eclesiarchy, Novamarines with the Deathwatch, of course the Iron Hands and their successors, and even the Minotaurs with the High Lords. I feel I have mentioned the baggage that comes with such relations, and such politics are in fact tolerated to an extent in the Imperium. This is true but those chapters do not essentially run around the Imperium stepping on other organisations toes, which is the significant difference here. For which I will explain later. 3. Destruction of Imperial property? If anything, the Eagles place much more importance on materials and symbols than lives, as covered in the IA. They aren't reckless, but extremely calculating and without mercy. Plus the fact that they are constantly paranoid and judgmental about themselves perversely helps to reign in any excesses. After battle, the trial and retroactive scrutiny begins for every Eagle... "so, was the excessive damage that you caused in fact a Chaos whisper to help weaken the Imperium, Captain?" The thing is though they don’t do this. You have the Eagles going around the Imperium using their ships weapons batteries to carve out eagle symbols onto planets & dig in around buildings of the Eclesiarchy etc. What gives your chapter out all the other Imperial organisations the right to put their brand onto the Emperor’s planets? If the Eagles are using that kind of fire power to scar planets you will undoubtedly hit a lot of significant collateral damage to the planet. How will that look to the rest of the Imperium if chapter is going round destroying Imperial property instead of fighting the Emperor’s properties? The answer; not very good. With your chapter focusing on defense of symbolic buildings is a waste of Astartes manpower, static positions are the role of the Guard. It’s the job of the Astartes to attack the Emperor’s foe head on using their superior speed & power to carve out the enemy to ruin. So while the Eagles playing Guardsmen they are not protecting or engaging in threats that could/ would damage other more strategic targets/ assets. It would be like a platoon defending a village church when they should be trying to defend the village water well & larder. It seems the Eagles have incompetent strategic judgment. It is primarily through these 2 mechanisms that Eagles would unwittingly allow or directly destroy other Adepta possessions or even agents after all orbital bombardments are not accurate & other Imperial operative in the area won’t always inform the Eagles of their presence. 4. Yes, the Eagles put themselves in danger by sticking their necks out and accepting others' judgment. But I believe that this is part of what endears them to the Imperium - the idea of having a marine chapter accepting your authority is very nice for Imperial officials. Also, it is the common citizenry and minor officials who feel the brunt of their wrath. The upper echelon elite who make the important decisions for the most part kind of like the eagles for the respect of their property and hierarchy, which is unique among the Astartes. I'd imagine even radicals respect the Eagles' strict obedience and self-policing to an extent, if not their beliefs. This the main point - the chapter's history of fervent self-discipline/policing and respect for Imperial authority overrules their interventionist nature, in the eyes of many in power. 5. I believe that time and size of the galaxy are on the chapter's side. The vast Imperium is for the most part recorded by the minds of men, with ordinary memories and limited reach. While the Eagles cause political uproar when they execute an official that fails to live up to their standards, or steer a world's governing affairs to something more authoritarian, they make sure to leave the situation stable and firmly in Imperial hands. Frankly, in the vast Imperium, most people couldn't give a damn about such inconsequential affairs, as long as tithes are paid and allegiance is kept - controversy will die down fast. Slow communications also plays a part, helping to cool outrage over time, and the penitent crusades the chapter has been sent on likewise would help to cool relations, as by the time most of these end, the chapter's main detractors would probably have long died off. The Imperium would have the exact opposite view on the Eagles to this. The Imperium would see the Eagles as a bumbling tactless pest at the very least. Yes they present themselves for greater imperial scrutiny. Yet the Eagles repeatedly: - Vandalise Imperial property - Fail to adequately tackle the Emperor’s foes in good time. - Failing to observe proper Imperial decorum & Adeptus mandates. - Failing to atone for their crimes, by seeing the error of their ways. The Imperium doesn’t forget though. The Imperium always responds to threats & slights it receives. There are countless examples of this littered through Imperial codexes. After all the Imperium always acts on any information it receives even if it hundreds/ thousands of years late or early. The Eagles detractors would make sure that their actions are not forgotten. After all inquisitors do train up successors, eclesiarchy members, higher ranking members of other Adepta would have the means to ensure their wills are remembered/ carried out. More importantly than this how can the Imperium forget the actions of the Eagles if they are always either presenting themselves forward for judgment or making demonstrations of their presence by only saving symbolic targets. How can you get over something or ignore someone who is continually rubbing your nose in it? In today’s world we would ignore a person/ organization that did that. Yet the Imperium wouldn’t leave the Eagles alone because they have consistently shown they won’t change their ways which would only make their detractors more irate. On top of this the Imperium couldn’t leave the Eagles alone as they are Astartes & far too powerful to be allowed to be uncountable as their detractors would argue they are out of control. It’s a similar principle as to why the Emperor was forced to call the Council of Nikkea on Magnus, basically because Magnus’s detractors would not go away & neither would the Eagles detractors unfortunately. Any how I hope this of some use for IA <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
platypuscorps Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I like the whole Lawmen theme you have going, even the chapter's name reflects! However, you should remember not to "piggyback the official" as put forth by our own holy Lexicanicum, Octavulg. The part where you specifically mention them as having cordial relations with the Red Scorpions and Black Templars is a bit close to the figurative edge, even though you did explain it well. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialIssue Posted June 9, 2011 Author Share Posted June 9, 2011 @Epistolary Exander: Its great to see that you take enough interest in my chapter that you took the time to research the points already brought up in the previous thread. :devil: thanks for caring. How the Eagles have changed “their” role in the Imperium is setting a bad precedent, what if the Mechanicum wanted to stop training techmarines or if the Navy decided it wasn’t their job to ferry the Guard around. I mean its something you just don’t do in the close minded 40k verse. Hehe. I guess we can agree to disagree on this point. I don't think that the Eagles have changed their role, but merely do the most notorious things that other astartes do more frequently, due to their extremely high standards. Other astartes have executed corrupt Governors/generals, committed friendly fire, use shows of force, calculated sacrifice of others, small squad cleansing ops. The Eagles only do what other astartes do when they see something heretical - kill it. Its just that the bar set by the Eagles for what is heretical is very low. They functionally haven't changed their role in the Imperium to arbites, no matter how much policing/law theme i sprinkle in the IA - indeed, such a role the Eagles would regard as out of their 'jurisdiction'. And please don't quote some of the selected battles i put in there (yaldritch, Hondor). Those are stand out and extreme circumstances, there to build the character of the chapter, not portray normal operations (which is why they were selected, cause they are more interesting). Yes the Astartes would do that. What your chapter is doing getting involved with other very protective Imperial organisations. What your chapter is doing is of a similar magnitude to if I had my Martyrs running around the Imperium converting planets to worshipping psykers as the chosen kin of the Emperor as they believe. We all know what the end result of that would be. But the eagles aren't trying to discipline other astartes/'convert' them. They respect the jurisdiction/authority of others level or above them in hierarchy greatly. They just will not hold back on saying what they objectively think, nor fully trust anyone. Sure others might be insulted, but i still can't see astartes reacting too badly to this straight talk. Duels might be fought though... :devil: What gives your chapter out all the other Imperial organisations the right to put their brand onto the Emperor’s planets? If the Eagles are using that kind of fire power to scar planets you will undoubtedly hit a lot of significant collateral damage to the planet. How will that look to the rest of the Imperium if chapter is going round destroying Imperial property instead of fighting the Emperor’s properties? Haha... again, Tychus was an extreme example, and does not mean that this is standard ops. Besides, it was a hive world, like armageddon, with massive expanses of waste to deploy such firepower. While the eagles do this sort of carving artwork frequently, its is on a much smaller scale, and does not cause needless damage (say, aquila on the mountain overlooking the city, or on the outskirts of the city. Again, their respect for Imperial power and paranoia reigns in any excesses. They are continuously asking themselves whether what they are doing is weakening the imperium, and thus committing heresy. This includes property damage, as it impedes the war effort. HERESY! I think that you are extrapolating the selected battles a bit much. Disregarding the other Imperial war effort to protect the palace in the Hondor seccession is another example: With your chapter focusing on defense of symbolic buildings is a waste of Astartes manpower, static positions are the role of the Guard. So while the Eagles playing Guardsmen they are not protecting or engaging in threats that could/ would damage other more strategic targets/ assets. It would be like a platoon defending a village church when they should be trying to defend the village water well & larder. It seems the Eagles have incompetent strategic judgment. The Imperium would have the exact opposite view on the Eagles to this. The Imperium would see the Eagles as a bumbling tactless pest at the very least. Remember again that they are extremely calculated, and paranoid of their own actions' potential harm to the Imperium, always weighing up/judging the outcomes that will produce the strongest result. They will commit efforts similar to that the enemy commit to taking the monument, nothing more and perhaps less. They aren't fanatics, but cold judges of how best to preserve the ability of the Imperium to fight. Unlike others, the importance of symbolism and morale factors into their judgment. The original text for the Hondor Seccession had the Eagles defeating millions of rebels over the years in bloody combat in the streets. The rebels pushed to capture the monument - the Eagles pushed back, and in doing so annihilated a significant portion of the enemy. In this case, the Palace was of significant strategic morale importance to warrant this deployment of force. They would have also judged that the Imperial victory on offense was inevitable without them - no matter the time or cost in lives. Best then to help the rebuilding effort and ability to control the world post-war by not letting the Governor's palace fall or be destroyed. Failing to atone for their crimes, by seeing the error of their ways. But they do see the error of their ways. Whenever there is an infraction significant enough to warrant a concrete Imperial accusation or discipline, then the Eagles never do it again. The point is that most of their controversial actions that step on the toes of those lower in the corporate ladder don't step on the toes of those higher up... The brunt of the Eagles' wrath is borne by the lower end of the Imperial hierarchy, and concerns stuff that people who have power to accuse the chapter don't care about or can't see clearly enough. Who the hell cares if Governor Lax was replaced with Governor Strict or if General Toes died, according to this astropathic message sent two months ago? It might have been a coupe or politics or the annual election. Generals die in combat. Apart from this, everything looks normal. Communications are kept, and tithes are paid, its business as usual. Now back to watching this whole sector and prosecuting multiple world wars. Or perhaps this minor data never even reaches their ears, cause its just so inconsequential among a mountain of data. +++Governor replaced again, tithes paid, Imperial rule+++ *sigh*, and a minor scribe files it away. In fact, these sector officials actually probably respect the Eagles the most - the Eagles respect their power and their property (unlike other Astartes) and are also extremely paranoid and persecuting of themselves - perfect Imperial servants under the heel of the Imperium. I guess we might have different views on how much leeway/independence that Imperial organisations are allowed, and the level of bureaucracy inherent and difficulty in communication in the Imperium. In my view, the Imperium is almost the wild west on the planetary or even system level - anything is allowed, cause it is almost impossible to monitor. As long as Imperial rule is maintained, tithes are kept and trade flows, who cares, or even notices such minor politics? 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Ecritter Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 I see these guys as being a lesser version of my Sons of Pyron, so I like them. I did see a few issues that need fixing. The Guardian Eagles are an ancient chapter, with a history that goes back 9000 years of shrouded time to the 4th Founding, in early M.32. Much of the specifics of their early history are unknown – lost to the march of millennia and reduced to distant legend. Between Imperial Scribes and those within the Chapter ... not much would be lost to time. Beliefs I really don't see much that they do as drawing much fire from other Chapters or Imperial organizations. In addition, the importance the chapter assigns to symbols of Imperial power has meant the Guardian Eagles have been the salvation of many Ecclesiarch buildings through the long centuries, which has gained them somewhat of a reputation amongst the priesthood. Yet despite all their advances, the Guardian Eagles maintains a cordial detachment from the organization. Not for them the false bliss of religion, a tool to control the needy, clamoring masses; but the cold determination of humanity’s destiny.On the other hand, few other chapters or organizations live up to the Eagles’ strict standards on purity, penitence and ruthlessness – other more nobly-minded Astartes are known to take open displeasure at the Eagles’ practices, and blows have been traded throughout the chapter’s history on this fact. The few chapters that the Eagles do keep healthy relationships with are their likeminded brethren, the likes of the zealous Black Templars and fanatically pure Red Scorpions. The suspicious streak that runs through the chapter can however make them very testing to work with – the Eagles’ habits of forever second-guessing their allies, looking for signs of treachery and leering at suspect loyalties has always drawn attacks from those unwilling to accept these insults; while the unilateral policies of intervening in the governing affairs of worlds and taking the law into their own hands is always controversial. The chapter is polarizing – some viewing its recognition of Imperial power structure and conservatism as welcome, while others seeing its views as dangerously overstepping the jurisdiction of Astartes. Imperial tolerance has waxed, waned and been pushed to the brink many times, and disciplinary actions and even penitent crusades litter the chapter’s history and threatened its continued existence. Without an ancient heritage of indisputable loyalty, instances where they have been correct in their suspicions, and supporters in significant conservative power blocs, the chapter would almost certainly have been more harshly dealt with long ago. Whether the chapter’s interventionism and grating character will continue to be tolerated remains to be seen. You have these kinda broken into 4 paragraphs ... kinda meaning that you're missing 2 extra returns. The Guardian Eagles are designated a fleet-based chapter, and therefore have no world they officially claim, instead plying the stars for an eternity of battle. However, this is not the whole truth – throughout the chapter’s history, one planet has been considered as special, a place that conforms to their values and produces a large number of their recruits – Domineul. Are there a lot of 8 year old prisoners ... if not you're not gonna get ANY recruits from a prison world. It is testament to the Guardian Eagles’ close relations with several organizations and personalities that the chapter is allowed to interact extensively with this busy planet, maintaining a small shipyard behind Domineul’s moon I've never heard of a Chapter maintaining a shipyard. Do you have reference for this, cause I really don't think they do it. Recruits are usually drawn from the extensive law enforcement and defense garrisons, these boys exposed daily to the vicious armed combat across the world. The population of Domineul is highly regimented, judgmental and grim, and unquestionably loyal to the Imperium. So the prison is run by preteen boys? Also, since most of the population is prisoners ... I don't think I'd call them LOYAL. The current fleet assets of the Guardian Eagles are comparably short on the larger ships-of-the-line that Astartes boast – possessing only 6 Strike Cruisers and the single battle barge Death of Innocence that functions as their headquarters and fortress monastery. This is mostly due to the attrition the chapter has suffered as part of their recent and previous penitent crusades, as well as the politicking that has historically plagued the chapter surrounding significant procurements. Fleet is small compared to a Chapter with a homeworld ... for a fleet-based Chapter it's close to rediculous. ----------------------------- I did not looks at current chapter strength ... not needed in the IA; or any of the battles. Overall I'd say its good, but needs some work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 I've never heard of a Chapter maintaining a shipyard. Do you have reference for this, cause I really don't think they do it. It is possible, after all a Chapters ships do need them for repairs. Fleet is small compared to a Chapter with a homeworld ... for a fleet-based Chapter it's close to rediculous. If you read what is said, its explained. This is mostly due to the attrition the chapter has suffered as part of their recent and previous penitent crusades, as well as the politicking that has historically plagued the chapter surrounding significant procurements. --- I did not looks at current chapter strength ... not needed in the IA; or any of the battles. Maybe there are a few too many but it definately adds the IA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 I did not looks at current chapter strength ... not needed in the IA; or any of the battles. Maybe there are a few too many but it definately adds the IA. Sorry, I didn't mean the battles weren't needed, just the current strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialIssue Posted June 10, 2011 Author Share Posted June 10, 2011 I see these guys as being a lesser version of my Sons of Pyron, so I like them. Lesser! :eek :wacko: For that, I challenge you to a duel for the honor of my chapter... bolt pistols at dawn, or chain-rapiers (??? :huh: ) at dusk? :lol: Between Imperial Scribes and those within the Chapter ... not much would be lost to time. Unless catastrophic losses, destruction of battle barges, and MIA for hundreds of years wipes those records out... I really don't see much that they do as drawing much fire from other Chapters or Imperial organizations. Yes! A like-minded astartes. Blanket disciplinary actions and orbital bombardments are totally reasonable. :D Are there a lot of 8 year old prisoners ... if not you're not gonna get ANY recruits from a prison world. So the prison is run by preteen boys? Also, since most of the population is prisoners ... I don't think I'd call them LOYAL. Umm... no, the Eagles don't recruit from prisoners, but the garrison of PDF/prison guards on the world, who include preteens. The entire planet isn't prison - i said only 1/3 of landmass is dedicated to this, with rest under a 1984-esque police state. See: nearly everyone not incarcerated on the planet is involved in martial and policing activity. This includes youngsters. Domineul is just as brutal as a world of savages, except highly organised and disciplined. I did not looks at current chapter strength...not needed in the IA well, i thought that this would be the most efficient way to express the unique nomenclature of the Eagles' organisation, without resorting to a wall of text. As for the selected battles: any suggestions on which to drop? I agree the IA is a bit long, and I need to cut down on some wordiness - just need to get through Uni exams first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epistolary Exander Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 @Epistolary Exander: Its great to see that you take enough interest in my chapter that you took the time to research the points already brought up in the previous thread. :D thanks for caring. How the Eagles have changed “their” role in the Imperium is setting a bad precedent, what if the Mechanicum wanted to stop training techmarines or if the Navy decided it wasn’t their job to ferry the Guard around. I mean its something you just don’t do in the close minded 40k verse. Hehe. I guess we can agree to disagree on this point. I don't think that the Eagles have changed their role, but merely do the most notorious things that other astartes do more frequently, due to their extremely high standards. Other astartes have executed corrupt Governors/generals, committed friendly fire, use shows of force, calculated sacrifice of others, small squad cleansing ops. The Eagles only do what other astartes do when they see something heretical - kill it. Its just that the bar set by the Eagles for what is heretical is very low. They functionally haven't changed their role in the Imperium to arbites, no matter how much policing/law theme i sprinkle in the IA - indeed, such a role the Eagles would regard as out of their 'jurisdiction'. And please don't quote some of the selected battles i put in there (yaldritch, Hondor). Those are stand out and extreme circumstances, there to build the character of the chapter, not portray normal operations (which is why they were selected, cause they are more interesting). Yes the Astartes would do that. What your chapter is doing getting involved with other very protective Imperial organisations. What your chapter is doing is of a similar magnitude to if I had my Martyrs running around the Imperium converting planets to worshipping psykers as the chosen kin of the Emperor as they believe. We all know what the end result of that would be. But the eagles aren't trying to discipline other astartes/'convert' them. They respect the jurisdiction/authority of others level or above them in hierarchy greatly. They just will not hold back on saying what they objectively think, nor fully trust anyone. Sure others might be insulted, but i still can't see astartes reacting too badly to this straight talk. Duels might be fought though... :P Then explain that to the Guardian Angels :P. On a more serious note it can be perceived that undertaking these missions more often than any regular Astartes that the Guardian Eagles are overstepping their mandate & trying to convert worlds to their system of thought because they are acting as judge jury & executioner, which is the role of the Arbites primarily & on a galactic level the Ordo Hereticus. In the closed minded Imperium stepping on another organsations toes is a risky business. Astartes are proud individuals because they are above such petty tasks of the Arbites & the lesser roles of inquisitors etc. All Astartes will fight for their honour of their views, no matter who it is, just like how: - the Wolves have faught the Administratum for what they perceive to be over stepping mark. - The Executioners, Mantis Warriors & The Lamenters all joined the Astral Claws in the Debab War. - How Tu-Shan almost came to blows with Marines Malevolent. - How Crimson Fists almost fought the Mortifactors. This is the problem the Guardian Eagles may respect other Astartes & judge them, but other Astartes would not be impressed with how the Guardian Angels appear to be acting like lesser beings. They are Astartes above anything else it is their mission to eradicate the Emperors enemies on the battle field not to police his realm, that is other peoples jobs to do. If it is a waste of an Astartes to man a ships gun, then it is a waste of an Astartes to be used to policing patrols. It could be easily seen as an act of cowardice not wanting to fight the Emperors enemies because they are busy doing the job of the Arbites. I would say a honour duel would not be the result if the Guardian Eagles exchanged pleasantries with most chapters, there would just be too much animosity between them. What gives your chapter out all the other Imperial organisations the right to put their brand onto the Emperor’s planets? If the Eagles are using that kind of fire power to scar planets you will undoubtedly hit a lot of significant collateral damage to the planet. How will that look to the rest of the Imperium if chapter is going round destroying Imperial property instead of fighting the Emperor’s properties? Haha... again, Tychus was an extreme example, and does not mean that this is standard ops. Besides, it was a hive world, like armageddon, with massive expanses of waste to deploy such firepower. While the eagles do this sort of carving artwork frequently, its is on a much smaller scale, and does not cause needless damage (say, aquila on the mountain overlooking the city, or on the outskirts of the city. Again, their respect for Imperial power and paranoia reigns in any excesses. They are continuously asking themselves whether what they are doing is weakening the imperium, and thus committing heresy. This includes property damage, as it impedes the war effort. HERESY! I think that you are extrapolating the selected battles a bit much. Disregarding the other Imperial war effort to protect the palace in the Hondor seccession is another example: With your chapter focusing on defense of symbolic buildings is a waste of Astartes manpower, static positions are the role of the Guard. So while the Eagles playing Guardsmen they are not protecting or engaging in threats that could/ would damage other more strategic targets/ assets. It would be like a platoon defending a village church when they should be trying to defend the village water well & larder. It seems the Eagles have incompetent strategic judgment. The Imperium would have the exact opposite view on the Eagles to this. The Imperium would see the Eagles as a bumbling tactless pest at the very least. Remember again that they are extremely calculated, and paranoid of their own actions' potential harm to the Imperium, always weighing up/judging the outcomes that will produce the strongest result. They will commit efforts similar to that the enemy commit to taking the monument, nothing more and perhaps less. They aren't fanatics, but cold judges of how best to preserve the ability of the Imperium to fight. Unlike others, the importance of symbolism and morale factors into their judgment. The original text for the Hondor Seccession had the Eagles defeating millions of rebels over the years in bloody combat in the streets. The rebels pushed to capture the monument - the Eagles pushed back, and in doing so annihilated a significant portion of the enemy. In this case, the Palace was of significant strategic morale importance to warrant this deployment of force. They would have also judged that the Imperial victory on offense was inevitable without them - no matter the time or cost in lives. Best then to help the rebuilding effort and ability to control the world post-war by not letting the Governor's palace fall or be destroyed. This is what I am trying to convey, what good is it to the Imperium having a fancy palace if the population rebel & sack the palace because they have no food & water because the enemy destroyed them because the Eagles allowed them all because they were too focused on saving the Governor’s Palace. Yet if the people are able to survive because their basic amenities have been preserved they will be able to carry on serving the Emperor without too much fuss, even if the Governor has to lead the same lifestyle as them for a bit. What is important is that the planet is best able to survive & contribute to the Imperium in the indefinite short term & the long term. Failing to atone for their crimes, by seeing the error of their ways. But they do see the error of their ways. Whenever there is an infraction significant enough to warrant a concrete Imperial accusation or discipline, then the Eagles never do it again. The point is that most of their controversial actions that step on the toes of those lower in the corporate ladder don't step on the toes of those higher up... The brunt of the Eagles' wrath is borne by the lower end of the Imperial hierarchy, and concerns stuff that people who have power to accuse the chapter don't care about or can't see clearly enough. Who the hell cares if Governor Lax was replaced with Governor Strict or if General Toes died, according to this astropathic message sent two months ago? It might have been a coupe or politics or the annual election. Generals die in combat. Apart from this, everything looks normal. Communications are kept, and tithes are paid, its business as usual. Now back to watching this whole sector and prosecuting multiple world wars. Or perhaps this minor data never even reaches their ears, cause its just so inconsequential among a mountain of data. +++Governor replaced again, tithes paid, Imperial rule+++ *sigh*, and a minor scribe files it away. In fact, these sector officials actually probably respect the Eagles the most - the Eagles respect their power and their property (unlike other Astartes) and are also extremely paranoid and persecuting of themselves - perfect Imperial servants under the heel of the Imperium. Yes but the Imperium cant always afford to wait for things to sort themselves out, at times a planet is too important to allow the silence to go unanswered & how a situation is dealt with is important. Assuming too much makes the Imperium vulnerable to people abusing their positions it is why the Inquisition is present to root all forms & threats the Imperium may face. It is their job along with the Arbites & tithe collectors to ensure the Imperium runs smoothly. It would not take long for what the Eagles do to become apparent to those in the inquisition with an eye on the Astartes to see that the Eagles are not like most Astartes in how they conduct themselves. I guess we might have different views on how much leeway/independence that Imperial organisations are allowed, and the level of bureaucracy inherent and difficulty in communication in the Imperium. In my view, the Imperium is almost the wild west on the planetary or even system level - anything is allowed, cause it is almost impossible to monitor. As long as Imperial rule is maintained, tithes are kept and trade flows, who cares, or even notices such minor politics? The problem with the Wild West was that it had a lot of outlaws in. In the Imperium the too many competing/ conflicting Imperial organisations many would see the Eagles as equivalent of outlaws/ rogues in the Imperium in. Yea we obviously have different views on how the Imperium would act, far as Im concerned the Imperium only survives by being ruthless to everyone, no matter who they are. Any infraction is excessively punished at every opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew J Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 I love it. Well thought out IA, a little long but heavy in explanations and character to me. What do these fellows look like, I got the aquila heavy adornments but I dont think you mentioned color scheme at all. Not that big a deal I guess but I was just wondering. For some reason I have the image of black armor with gold aquilas all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanfar Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 I have to say that i personally like your chapter. They are trying to avoid heresy within their own ranks and they try to ''kill it'' even before it can rise up and i like it.Perhaps maybe they are going a little bit across the line, when they put their noses into others business or stepping at their toes. So little step back and everything is good. At least for me. ^^ I think you have some work to do. :) Stanfar out. Ps.If your chapter has ''unclean' marines within it, Death Legion is happy to assist with that. :D For the Emperor battle-brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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