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I may be misunderstanding what you're saying, but I believe the author confirmed they weren't a lost legion earlier in this thread. Anyhoo, I haven't read a BL novel in quite a while now, but I'll make an exception for this one, sounds really interesting and I truly appreciate authors who speak openly with their fans.

Great thread and love your guys. I need to say that mounting that sword blade on the chainsword body is BRILLIANT. Can't believe I've never thought of that.

Today I decided to actually do some painting and settled on a DIY Chapter after tossing up for several years now on whether to do Executioners, a mixed Chaos warband, or various other DIYs (hoping to still do all of these at some point)

According to Dan Abnett, Gulliman thought of the Khan as both unpredictable and untrustworthy. That sounds more like he Admired the primarch, but could not trust the Legion. Notice, he said, "The White Scars" not "Khan" That'd be small comfort to you as a proud, noble warrior of the Imperium who leads and has shaped an army your new boss thinks is untrustworthy

Double post

From Legatus' post on the first page of this thread, itself quoting Know No Fear: 'Guilliman admires the Khan greatly, but the White Scars are neither predictable nor trustworthy'

If RG was Warmaster I think you have to consider that there may well have been other Legions who might have joined Horus' hypothetical rebellion instead. Maybe the Khan, for example, doesn't like the Ultramarines or that he is considered untrustworthy by the guy who has just been made his boss, and Horus' talk of showing the Emperor that HE, a warrior first and foremost, should have been put in charge instead of their brother who is more interested in governing than conquering? The thing with alternate history (even pretend alternate history) is that there is a knock on effect; if someone else was named Warmaster, it does not automatically follow on that the rest of the Legions would fall out in the same ways on either side of the equation; indeed, the Heresy could instead be a protracted defensive battle where one Legion rebels because the Emperor wants to retire them after a successful Great Crusade, only to be joined by others as they flee away from Terra.

Horus was not happy as Warmaster, but would he not have been unhappier if he wasn't Warmaster? The guy was not exactly known for his humility. I would be shocked if there was not a Heresy regardless. The Chaos Gods wouldn't have just given up because one candidate wasn't in place. Lorgar would still be waiting in the wings, and if Guilliman proved incorruptible, Horus could still have brought his brothers as allies against Guilliman's rule. Or maybe the Gods would have targeted the Lion, or Sanguinious, or Alpharius, or Perturabo, or Mannus, of whoever. Few of the Primarchs were humble, and all of them believed that their way was the right way. The Heresy led by a corrupted Lion, for example, may not have gone the same way, and may not have occurred due to his charisma and the love of his brothers, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't have happened or that it couldn't have been effective Indeed, the Gods would have ensured it.

I think the Heresy may well have been bigger. Guilliman doesn't seem to have had the love of his brothers in the way Horus did (respect, certainly, but not love). Would the guys who thought they should have been Warmaster have fallen into line as easily as they did with Horus? What about the ones who supported Horus' claim? Would they have been comfortable being led by the brother who seemed to be more interested in the non-military pursuits than the rest of them? I could see the more war-like Primarchs resenting having the "Governor" being put over them, regardless of the fact he was an incredibly accomplished commander; it would be like Lorgar being named Warmaster, or Vulkan, or Alpharius - guys known for traits other than, well, being masters of war.

As George Michael once sang, "I think I need a Ro-booty-booty" I honestly can't read about him (even in KNF, which redeemed the Ultras somewhat for me) without imagining his name as Rowboat Girlyman. I also think of Angron as Angry Ron and Perturabo as Petulant Bro, so the problem is probably mine.

Legion Spoilers throughout Ohh, I humbly beg to differ, it is clearly stated in Legion, that he was substantially bigger than his Astartes, they even had to bring in the taller than average guy to be the double for Omegon, he may not have been as tall as the other Primarchs, but now two Primarchs resembled one another wuth the exception of Horus and Alpharius/Omegon. It is for instance known that Mortarion was probably the tallest of the Primarchs, now can Angron double him and make a fool of say....Sanguinius? It is BTW also known that the Primarchs had an intuitive knowledge of the kinship between them and knew each other by instinct, what makes you believe that Guiliman of all Primarchs lacked that understanding? Now that is major petty fogging on your part dear friend, the situations aren't comparable yes, but in a different way than you think. Horus actually slaughtered the entire force that accompanied Alpharius/Omegon and shot him while he was charging into him and only stopped and began laughing after seeing that the huge person at his throat was capable of withstanding him, so in how far did Horus have less difficulties to recognise his "primarchness"? Besides Guilliman was familiar with him for decades before coming to blows with him, so how would Alpharius have deceived him, if I may ask? The UMs can deny all they want, it doesn't make it so, the reasons for their denial are theirs, it is as always a way of making the story more mysterious. You fanboys must get to terms with the sad truths of the story, I myself am a Guilliman fanboy, but I'm not seen clinging to the "his wounds are slowly healing in stasis" nonsense, so unless there is a major turn in the story provided by the HH series, I'll consider one of the two, if not both dead by Guilliman's hand. True, but it was his skilful writing that started the "the entire 40K-Universe is an Alpha Legion conspiracy" rampage cheers I don't see that you can just turn around and dismiss the rumour that Big Blue is healing (especially with the common 'End Time' plot thread right across 40k, which from a meta universe perspective makes this extremely likely, albeit something we won't see for a long time, if ever), but you'll readily accept as fact the story of a corrupt Alpha Legion agent (who would have a vested interest in ensuring the Imperium believes his master is dead), which is denied by the Ultramarines themselves, a Chapter hardly renowned for false modesty. Yes, killing Alpharius and still getting creamed by the Alpha Legionaires must have been embarrassing, but your Primarch murdering another is something that tends to be celebrated. Personally, I actually agree with the theory (I think Alpharius was killed, with Omegon freaking out and corrupting the agenda of at least half the Legion as he goes for revenge against the Imperium that murdered his bro. Hence the AL not even really knowing which side they are on, as it depends on warband), but your method of reasoning is...peculiar.

Legion. The entire novel. But especially the first conversation between the main character (the Het, can't think of his name right now) and his first conversation with 'Alpharius'. The bravado and back and forth ending with the sheer transhuman menace of the Alpha Legionnaire. It was a great "we're on the same side, but don't :D with us," scene. Simple, but cinematic. That whole novel is brilliantly setup for being filmed.

Then why did Magnus lose against Leman ? Look at the context of the battle and what was happening behind the scenes, that was hardly your typical one on one battle. Magnus with his full powers unimpeded would be unstoppable to anyone bar the Emperor, simply because none of the Primarchs are psykers at his level, and none of them are nulls.

Do you mean me? I assume not, just trying to make sure I'm on the right page! As for Fulgrim, yes I rate him alot, but his Legion were not quite up to scratch. Some were damn right arrogant before their corruption, including those in high positions. But I rate them highly over all, especially before their corruption. As a Legion that embodies the Imperial way, I would put them after the Blood Angels, Ultramarines, Imperial Fists and Lunar Wolves. No sorry, directed at the OP.