Captain Idaho

Having played non-GW wargames and Magic the Gathering, the latter in particular which has massive historic releases that are STILL relevant now without exception, you see illustrated just poor GW games development really are. Magic the Gathering in particular has concise and consistent rules and only a few banned cards compared to the literally thousands of cards available and the games work... what's GW's excuse beyond just being incompetent? This HH edition feels weak and it's starting to show.

The key thing is, what is it about that new Nazdreg that shows it to be a Nazdreg representation? If GW never told us it was Nazdreg, everyone would just say "oh good new Warboss".

As long as Orks call their unit champions "nob" I don't see the point in making less goofy Anyway, GW didn't have to do a literal translation of the classic art, but they could have at least taken some ques from it. A power claw that is more pincer shaped for example.

I do like this dude as a generic Ork Warboss... but this art feels substantial: Some sort of semblance to that would have cheered me up. Rules aren't very corpulent in their theme. He's just a hard nosed taskmaster, which is disappointing.

Fun conjecture as opposed to rumours and news so moved to Amicus.

I just don't like being called a fool. Besides that, we shall see how it goes with the new edition. Maybe it'll be cool, I doubt it since GW have turned into a particular style that has meant their new games are putting me right off.

Um, there's been 2 editions and a single core rulebook since 2017? What other core rulebooks have we had since?

Saying people are not seeing patterns but in fact only seeing what they want to see (or don't want to see in this case) is attacking their credibility rather than disproving their position. Ergo, ad hominem. You are correct we have precious little evidence, but what we do have is a claim to have made the game more streamlined and an example of how armour saves are included in profiles like AoS and 40K, as well as an example that there are no more to hit modifiers and instead factoring cover into saves. We can add that information to current design philosophy trends, the reception of Horus Heresy and it's implementation... there's more evidence to be concerned with than optimistic. No one is saying it's written in stone either. Even in this thread, people have all confirmed they're concerned and you yourself confirmed the same - Which seems familar to my own position:

Daemons I want to see expanded so much in HH so this is great... ...even more I want to see the rules for Valdor! And I'd sell my bolt shells for a new plastic model. Ideally I'd enjoy the like the miniature to look more like the art as this pose is menacing and combat oriented: Absolutely love it.

I disagree. Those are supplements and not new editions. It's still a pattern. It's a trend. Whilst the patterns can be disrupted and people might see a different emphasis, the trends are still there. Here's a better example to the point - which of the last 4 new factions that came out in 40K were NOT overpowered upon release? Leagues of Votann, Adeptus Custodes and Genestealer Cults all were disproportionately high powered. Imperial Agents... had their moments but not really destroying the balance. Then look at when Necrons were released in 3rd. Absolutely horrible to play against. Tau not so much. So the pattern is there even if it's not 100% every time. And no, I dispute the legitimacy of dismissing pattern recognition with a hand wave of "only seeing what we want to see." Disprove the pattern recognised to disprove the opinion. It's essentially an ad hominem.

Good point. Make the shotguns super powerful up close, S5 AP-2. *** Good ideas and feedback here guys.

It's not foolish but pattern recognition and GW have been behaving like that for a while. Remains to be seen and confirmed either way of course. I would love to be wrong and the new edition will be rocking, I can't lose on that.

Might want to tighten your search-fu, padawan:

I wonder how profitable the company really is without Space Marines...

The new rules sound like the edition will be awful. They're spreading the style of the main studio rules writing to the games that were still good. Set to hit modifiers with cover giving bonuses to armour saves, which are themselves now set on the profile. Read in-between the lines - if the armour save is set by the choice and included in the profile, that indicates take armour choices isn't a thing as otherwise the profile is pointless. Then there's the other implied issues. If the armour is set and can't be changed, then how does that impact the other level up changes? I'm not optimistic.