Captain Idaho

Oh totally agree. I meant in the current, 3.0 HH rules it's just not what we want to have 4 turns because the game is already limiting to specific methods of play substantially. Sorry wasn't clear.

Ah it's pretty obvious that Terminators get power fists. That's been their thing since a million years ago.

Theme matters. As an Ultramarines player, I like the Greco-Roman heritage that was culturally important to all of them. Originally. Now that has been diminished by what represents the Ultramarines by GW media and product releases. Ultramarines with katanas? No thank you. Sure, someone can show me a single historical example that might show a warrior using a non Greco-Roman weapon. Maybe. But the exception is irrelevant for overall representation of theme and narrative. GW produce few special characters, so they should be exemplary to their theme and narrative or what's the point right? If people want to represent a different weapon or genetic lineage or whatever in their White Scars, sure go for it. It's your head canon and enjoy! But the stock narrative remains and SHOULD exist. If we remove the Greco-Roman from Ultramarines, for example, then what are they culturally?

Oh fixing problems is great. Releasing a broken product that requires fixing BEFORE it was released is incompetent though, because the product shouldn't be broken before release. I do agree I prefer them reacting positively, but does it bode well for the product if it is so wrong before it was even released? Ah like I said; I'll buy in IF they fix the mess that is: 1) Terrain rules blocking line of sight AND charging despite being in them together! 2) Legacies being sufficient (I am optimistic that has been rectified yes) 3) The Legions rules need a total overhaul. A "faction Legacies" would assuage the issues here. 4) Additional 2 turns. 4 turns, in a game where hiding in terrain you can't be charged as you're outside LoS and there's reactions to move you out of melee range too? Come on man! Sure, I'm one person. But so is each of the community who are unhappy with these rules. And one times a million+ is still a million+. (And no I'm not putting numbers down, I'm illustrating that there's a substantial community around who AREN'T happy)

Huh, the product isn't even released yet and they've released an FAQ. That's got to be a new record right? I mean, such is the quality of this product, so high and flawless a release, GW have released an FAQ before the actual product, because there's absolutely loads of proof-readers and community engagement when it was developed. And totally nothing to do with the community rejection of it.

Oh totally thought the HH should be a baseline start with expansions into other "historical" eras such as Crusade forces, Scouring and who knows maybe even up to M40. Especially with the Scouring book series.

Been thinking... I quite like the main rules, think they're not too bad though the 4 turns, statuses and difficulty for melee hurts a bit. However, I can't buy into this entire edition as I don't like the army rules. They just suck bad and that includes unit specific rules. If GW releases a "Legacies" PDF of faction rules for 3.0, with confirmation they will expand and replace the army rules per faction with the new Arcane Journals model they're going for, with explanation the Liber rules are basic get you by rules, I'd then buy in. I'm not paying for Chaos Space Marines 4.0 which is essentially what the HH rules are.

Economically speaking it'll be interesting to see where the stores go if the launch isn't hot and they loss money on it. Likely they'd buy into new HH releases a lot less, so GW will not be hurt financially as much until further down the line, but who knows really for some stores. GW also make direct sales and they will feel any suppressed sales. But then, we don't know for sure if there are sales flagging etc. Only observations of behaviour and availability, plus the odd useful anecdote from people in the industry.

Local stores notwithstanding, these things don't fluctuate really. GW summer launches sell out all the times. We had plenty of problems with even things like Siege of Terra books. Hmm. Not even the scalpers are buying into it

Indeed, GW rarely if ever explains how things are doing. Likely we'll see chatter as if things are normal anyway, though product sales could very well not increase and we'd see that in the annual report. All I know is I'm not paying for the HH3.0, Chaos Codex 3.5 to 4th, debacle. I'm embarrassed to say, I do not. Leviathan did sell out in some places but was better stocked anyway as the lead game for the lead faction of GW's golden goose.

Huh, GW normally sells out of new editions and boxes within minutes, yet everywhere I go there's plenty of availability and the 4th factory at Nottingham hasn't been completed yet... I notice plenty of comments over the years that GW sells out and therefore are successful, so by that logic if a new such edition release doesn't sell out it means the opposite right?

Reactions are the least liked part of the game and the Ultramarines get to do more of it? I'll pass

Well makes sense GW wouldn't need a manager of editing, since proof reading is a thing lesser beings do anyway, right GW?

Yeah I'm looking forward to it. And you raise a great point that none of us seemed to predict or anticipate last time around... the price increases were held off because of record profits in licensing, likely to be implemented next year. Partly this is also because price rises still occur even in years without declared price increases with how they seem to do conversion work (sorry Oz friends) but also new releases coming in at s higher level, boxed sets being adjacent to standard pricing and crucially stealth increases... Anyway, my prediction is next year we'll see a price increase that encompasses the price increases opportunity missed this year. Actually a bonus prediction - fall/winter price increases will occur to compensate for energy costs etc soaring. Question - do we think HH will see a bumper increase in sales this year? I feel like it should, but I suspect longevity we won't.

As requested, I've moved this to Age of Darkness. **** These are fine models. Very skillfully done. My favourite part is the eyes, as that's not easy to make appear to almost glow.