Hrvat

Is anyone else bothered that Armageddon got moved out of the Segmentum Solar on the latest map? I could understand a couple of pixels like it tends to happen from edition to edition, but this latest shift is several thousand light-years to the "east".

Hi there :) That is an interesting premise. How important is it to you for them to be from the Ultima Founding? Cheers Hrvat

I have been around since early 2005 but my first account got lost in the warp. I still enjoy parts of the setting and miniatures but the direction in which the game had evolved left me behind.

For Greenskins I would recommend https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/orcgoblinwarpath/ as for Bretonnia unfortunately The Round Table of Bretonnia is no longer working.

I have sort of stopped following Horus Heresy with the Outcast Dead more than a decade ago and with the 2nd edition of the game about to drop I decided to catch up but encountered some puzzling things. I would appreciate if anyone could help me clear things up. - Unification Wars are claimed to have ended at the battle of Ararat. - Following the battle of Ararat Space Marines of the first legion have their first action during the attempted arrest of Valdor - All over the place various legions are mentioned to have taken part in the Unification Wars - For years it was said creation of Space Marines was done from the leftover of the Primarch project after the scattering - Now there are mentions of Space Marines operating before the scattering - Horus in the old background was alone with the Emperor for 3 decades (info repeated yesterday in the WHC article which inspired this topic), in the newer materials at least 4 other Primarch were found within the first 3 decades of the Great Crusade Cheers Hrvat

I sort of started shaping my own 40K lore around the time average warp speed travel times were abandoned and armies and characters were allowed to basically instant travel across the galaxy in order to ensure customers can have their chosen favourite character/army present at most major events in the galaxy. For those that came in the hobby since then this is what I am talking about: Light Years[table=''][/table] Minimum Warp Time Minimum Warp Time Minimum Real Time Maximum Real Time 1 2 mins 6 mins 43 mins 4.5 hrs 5 7 mins 30 mins 3.5 hrs 1 day 10 14 mins 1 hr 7 hrs 2 days 50 1.25 hrs 4.75 hrs 1.5 days 9 days 100 2.5 hrs 9.5 hrs 3 days 3 weeks 500 12 hrs 2 days 2 weeks 3 months 1000 1 day 4 days 1 month 6 months 5000 5 days 3 weeks 5 months 3 years Back then warp jumps up to 5 ly could be done without Navigators so while things would go much slower interstellar travel without Navigators wasn't impossible. Various major time shifts during warp travel were a thing but a far greater oddity than what I feel has been happening in the more recent years. So for my own setting of 40K I try and keep the above alive as ignoring pretty much anything after the freeze of the initial 3rd invasion of Armageddon when the fire season forced an end to the fighting. I tried since 2017 a couple of time to immerse myself into the updated background but I just find it unenjoyable for the most part. p.s. how does one make a table?

Hi there, responding as promised. Before I dive into asking questions about the Chapter itself I have three more general questions. How familiar are you with the 40K lore in general? Do you want your creation to fit into the 40K setting as presented by GW or do you plan to have it part of your own head cannon? Considering English is not your first language do you need any help in that regard? I ask this because at a few places in your text I wasn't quite sure what you wanted to say. Cheers, Hrvat

As Brother Tyler said I don't think there is such a thing as "too evil" within 40K setting that would break the suspension of disbelief as long as it is well written. The setting is marketed with the "good guys" being the worst regime imaginable so I really can't see the opposite end of the spectrum to even have an end considering the setting also includes things (for a lack of better word) such as Chaos Gods.

Kovac and Balaban Can we expect brothers Soldo and Yarni as well?

Thanks. Considering the front cm of the Strike Cruiser is rather volume light, mostly sensors I feel the bulk of the Panthera should match it quite nicely for tonnage (I wonder would that even be a term for space ships).

Panthera looks like a stubby Strike Cruiser

Is this part of the new background? Can you please point me in the direction where it was released because I have spent last few days searching in vain. As per the older background (2011 and before) each Space Marine bloodline has a unique set of organs. That does not mean they differ physiologically merely genetically. Each of the original 19 organs was created from the tissue of the corresponding primarch and the organs they possessed. It was through these organs that original (and later) space marines inherited the geneseed of their Primarch and why upon implantation some would start to morph into the likeness of their progenitor. Though re-reading older material did answer to me at least the question on the progenoid gland. Addition of the three new organs would not require a new progenoid gland to be created because the gland as is already serves the purpose and would absorb the genetic material of the three new organs alongside the existing ones and form zygotes for the growth of fresh new organs. Cheers :)

Thank you. A follow up question. When you say knowledge and technology what does that exactly means or is the book vague? I am asking because each SM organ has a corresponding zygote in the progenoid gland that needs to mature by absorbing data from fully functioning organs. We also know that each Primarch gene line has their own unique sets of organs. This would lead to a conclusion that Primaris marines have a completely new progenoid gland which includes three new zygotes or that the new organs are universal. The first conclusion does not solve the problem with Chapters whose Primogenitor is unknown while the second makes inclusion of references that material from all the 20 Primarchs was needed to create the new sets of organs sort of unnecessary. Cheers

Fratres, salve! A few weeks back I got drawn back to 40K after seeing pictures of new Abaddon miniature. Which got me interested in what has happened since I was last up to date around the time 8th edition launched (to be honest I wasn't truly up to date since around the time First Heretic was published nearly a decade ago). So first I went to B&C to see how things are going, followed by raiding my bitz boxes since I got rid of most of my 40K stuff around the time GW blew up WHFB. Before I knew I had a couple of miniatures put together (power armour and xeno) and my painting table had been put to use once more. Then came what I though would be the fun part, reading background. Oh boy. Getting my hands on all the materials I have missed in the last decade proved tricky not to mention resulting in a rather substantial list of things to read. Achieving that I initiated the first step and that was reading all the 8th edition codici alongside the rulebook and idexes in the order they were released to get myself up to date. In hindsight I probably should have started with The Gathering Storm (currently reading the first book). So two weeks later and god knows how many pages of text later I am a bit overwhelmed and underwhelmed at the same time trying to wrap my head around the new setting with Primaris Marines and Primarchs running around and where all my previous creations fit in this new constellation of things. I will be 33 later this month and I now fully understand the slogan I saw online "This is not your dad's 40K!". The current setting is greatly expanded from the one I started with more than two decades ago but at the same time it feels sooooo much smaller. The scale of occurring events has been increased yet the galaxy feels cramped. The passage of time has become nearly meaningless. To be honest things have been deteriorating from the perspective of time and scale since the second half of the 3rd edition but the new background had completely broke it for me. The already tenuous suspension of disbelief which existed in 40K had been completely throw out of the window. I am not completely against the concepts that have been added to the setting recently or the outright retcons which had occurred over the last decade - newcrons, 100K legions, grey knights nonsense, horus heresy unveiled, two dozen hive fleets and many more - but I have issues with how the introduction of these novelties was executed. If you have read so far you might be thinking "Ok Hrvat where is this stream of thought going?" and you would be right to think that. I intend to use this topic to try and produce elements of my own 40K head canon which includes some or even most of the newly introduced elements but in a way that is fitting to the setting that attracted me to 40K all those years ago. In addition to writing amends to the general setting (not that dissimilar in intention to alternate heresy which was produced by this very forum) I will be developing backgrounds for my own miniature collections to use in this new setting. So I wish you all welcome to the DARKER MILLENNIUM :) First thing I would like to discuss in a bit more detail as I prepare my notes on general setting is some additional information on Primaris Marines. Beyond what is said in the Rulebook and C:SM is there any other source of information like a White Dwarf article or something? Also is there anything important in the Dark Millennium novel that cannot be found out from online summaries? And final question - how do Chapters with unknown Primarchs produce Primaris Marines since prior to 8th Ed Imperium did not have the ability to discern geneseed based on genetic testing. Or am I to assume all such Chapters are covered by the 6% which did not accept Primaris. Ok that is it from me for now. I am looking forward to discussing with you and hopefully entertain you with what I produce. Cheers

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