GrimTeef

I get what you're saying, Bjorn, but I was referring to the relic lightning claws in the Angels of Death supplement, and the claws are named Swiftstrike and Murder. I might have not named them that either, but murder makes sense from a sneaky perspective that the RG have, and ravens do travel in flocks called "murders", so it kinda fits. Mehman, thanks for the heads up. I'm totally cool with keeping the "force weapon" aspect of the lightning claws as a sword over an axe. Makes more sense anyway. Read over the Biomancy powers, they sound like a hoot with this guy or a vanguard squad...

Race- I love librarians, my chapters usually feature at least one in a list, and the fluff around my chapter has quite a few librarians, even though I'm not good with figuring out the psychic phase... gotta get better with that. I guess I'm just wondering about his lack of Invul save and no access to a 2+. He'd have to go in a Vanguard or Assault squad, for protection if nothing else... Mehman - yeah, exactly - I was considering using them as "Force Claws" since he can still have a Force Sword, and i can switch to that. Or would a Force Axe be better? I could rationalize that by saying he waits to get a better strike chance and then goes right through enemy armor with an extra punch of Strength. AP2 could be very handy. I'll have to look at Biomancy and see what would be fun for him. Lysere - thanks for chiming in. I guess I'm not sure of it now, since I thought relics don't really replace any weapons, but you might be right on that. If that's the case, I might rethink, but then he's really only losing out on Force and Instant Death, and depending on his target that might not be an issue or a problem... I would LOVE to do a conclave, but Raven Guard don't seem to have access to that, do they? Not in a Pinion Demi-Company, anyway. Or am i incorrect?

So I have this model for my counts-as Raven Guard chapter, the Storm Eagles: http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/2008/7/LibrarianLogan-30060502.jpg He's a librarian, obviously, but from back when librarians could take lightning claws. He's survived a few different marine codecii, and I kinda forgot about using him since there was no way for a librarian to get lightning claws... Until recently. I saw him again and was considering using him, but with Swiftstrike and Murder, the relic claws. But is that a dumb idea? I mean, there's only one of those relic lightning claws to go around. Is it that smart to put it on a 2 wound character without an invulnerable save? But he might be able to quite a murder machine with the right psychic discipline and powers. He still keeps his force weapon too, so i could choose to use it or the claws, depending on what would best serve him at the time. Thoughts? Fun idea? Dumb idea? What psychic discipline would he use? Biomancy, I'd think...

I'm interested in them because the rules in their current codex more accurately lets me portray my own chapter as I always envisioned them playing - very jump troop heavy, with psychic backup and lots of Dreadnoughts. Pretty much it. I did like their look a lot though, just never wanted to play them before because I didn't want my chapter behaving like a bunch of uncontrollable loonies craving for blood out on the field.