Ryjak

I didn't bother to read this extensive and branching debate, as I didn't feel it was necessary. The Nature of 40K There are a few things you as a player should understand when it comes to the structure of 40k. The first and foremost is the Purpose of the rules. The rules are permissive, telling you what you can do, and when necessary for clarification, telling you what you cannot do. This is because the rules are also trying to be the impartial, neutral judge/official, keeping the game fair. Unfortunately, the only way the rules gain any power is when the players all agree to use them, and there is no way to realistically penalize someone for breaking them within the game. Second, for better or worse, the rules are written by Brittish employees to Games Workshop. After 15-some years of 40k rules debates, I've learned that for the Brittish, RAI = RAW. That's why there's a bunch of fluff interjected into the rules themselves. Unfortunately, I'm American, a society founded by a bunch of people who argued violently about semantics in a few books. We have more lawyers per capita by a huge margin, because for us, RAI /= RAW. Period. While that ultimately leads to rock-solid rulebooks for our games, it also leads to really long and boring rulebooks. The NCAA rulebook for Football is 264 pages of dry, clear-cut, concisely worded rules and diagrams. Or, read the Adepticon FAQ, which tries to turn the 40k Rulebook into an ironclad rulebook: The Independent National Warhammer 40,000 Tournament FAQ V 4.0. If you turn to page 87, you can see how they rule on the Shrike Issue, along with Rulebook citations. They flat-out state the RAW do not allow Shrike to Infiltrate a unit, but this FAQ creates a Rule Change to allow Shrike to Infiltrate any unit as long as he is deployed within coherency distance of this unit. The INAT FAQ is a great document, as it serves as an impartial judge/official for a 40k game, and it covers everything. I may not agree with some of their rulings/interpretations, but it leaves little room for arguement if both players agree to use it.

Does Red Bull still give you wings?

You might be surprised how much people would be willing to collaberate if they happen to have the same name for their marines, particularly if they're part of the B&C community. Until then, multiple *** would work just fine.

I understand it's a simple cost/benifit analysis for you. Is it worth X more time when you're already investing Y time in this? And then you might have to figure out what to do if 2+ people have stuff for the same chapter, esp. if one of them ends up being GW. I just wanted to give you a different perspective. Whatever you go with, I still applaud what you're doing right now.

It sounds like you've made a decision on all the 228 official "canon" chapters, to not accept any submission from hobbyists for them. I think that's a... limited viewpoint. Many of these "canon" chapters are only mentioned by name in one or two GW publications. If someone has written an IA Article on one of these chapters, or has a paint scheme, I don't see how listing it will take away from your 1000 Chapters project. I thought the point was to have a massi ve list of Space Marine Chapters, linking to as much information about each chapter as possible. [/rant] I will admit, I am a bit biased, as I came up with my Vindicator chapter in 1995. They didn't become a "canon" chapter until a WD article listed about 100 chapter names; this same article was re-printed in Chapter Approved 2001. Heck, I started a now-defunct website in 2000 about my Vindicators, and I'm pretty sure I posted a lot of that stuff before they were only mentioned by name in the GW articles. For all I know, they found my website, and printed their name. Should I be penalized for GW "stealing" my stuff? Will you remove a DIY chapter that becomes "canon" by being mentioned in a WD? [/rant] RE: Star Fox Chapter Beats me, I just remembered they had a website, and posted a link for you. (side note: The Lexicanum entry for the Vindicators states they were listed in Chapter Approved 2001 and White Dwarf 43. That isn't the correct WD publication, as 40k wasn't even mentioned in WD until issue 93. Hopefully someone reading this will be inspired to take action to correct this. The WD Issue was out sometime before CA 2001, based on my memory on when I read it. It might be cited in CA 2001.)

Wow, you stop playing 40k for a year, and occasionally really cool things happen, like this project. Way back in the day Kurgan the Lurker collected a list of Chapter Names, which you can probably still find, but this is way cooler. So first, here's a basic pic of my Vindicators. It's not very high quality, but it gives you an idea. http://www.themilleniumgate.com/ryjak/SMPainterConcepts/Vindicator.jpg Further, when I made that with the SM painter over a year ago, I did not have access to image-editing software, so I was unable to integrate my Chapter Symbol. Can't seem to post a symbol image either... Just a simple red 'V', which you can see to the left in my Avatar image. Philip S, I would love to contribute material to flesh out my DIY Chapter for your 1,000 Chapter project. Maybe in a month or so I'll have time to actually finish my IA write-up, but in the meantime, please let me know what I can do to help you out. Edit: Found a chapter you don't currently have listed, the Star Foxes.

Here's Vindicator Consul Carrelus. I'm pretty proud of this model because I built it entirely out of bits I had laying around. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a264/ryjak/carrellus.jpg I'll have to post a seperate picture of his Ordo Templaris shoulder icon later.