Morningstar317

For me it's Honsou of the Iron Warriors. His retinue would be cool as well.

Xenith, thank you. Unfortunately as TrawlingCleaner said no option for chainfists on WE Lord's and no terminator lords. It seems odd, (in my opinion) quiet a cool mini and no rules to match!

Sorry auto correct struck on the title.

Are there any rules for azrakh? I thought there might be some in the new codes but there wasn't. Thanks

Didn't the Legions started using their Primarchs "current" gene-seed as soon as they had found them, though? So all the Marines we ever see in the 40k stories would have been created with the "mutated" gene-seed of their Primarch. I do agree that the Emperor probably did not make the Primarchs identical. It's just that whatever he may have concocted in his lab, how the Primarchs turned out in the end was very different. For a lot of Primarchs, the influence of Chaos or the environmental factors are explicitly described in their origin story. It seems that now Gav has decided that the wolf traits of Russ had been "built in", and were not the result of Chaos influence. An odd decision, if you ask me. And not the only "odd decision" of the Horus Heresy series. (I don't even think I have o explain why I dislike it.) I made mention that several of the key charactors in the Heresy (and feeding into the 40k universe) were created prior to them being untied with their Primarch. So in my opinion it weakens your point about the influence of chaos and strengthens the concepts in Deliverance Lost. I've no problem with the view held in the Codex's and previous editions, in my opinion; it's how you view a legend and like all legends the subtlety (shades of grey, if you prefer) are lost. While the Horus Heresy novels have changed our view of the canon, I welcome the fact it adds charactor and sublety to the foundations of the 40k universe.

Whilst I agree that the touch of Chaos and their upbringings had an influence, the Emperor did create 20 individuals and not 20 clones. One aspect that is also worth noting about them, their Geneseed; some of the key charactors are Terran and created from their respective primach's geneseed before their found. The quick examples that spring to mind are: -Longfang of the Space Wolves - The Runepriest from Prospero Burns -Ahriman of the Thousand sons -Khârn of the World Eaters (admittedly weak due to cranial implants) -Typhus of the Death Guard - in The Primarchs, it mentions his status as a librarian of the Dusk Raiders Whilst I agree that the touch of Chaos and their upbringings had an influence, the Emperor did create 20 individuals and not 20 clones. One aspect that is also worth noting about them, their Geneseed; some of the key charactors are Terran and created from their respective primach's geneseed before their found. The quick examples that spring to mind are: -Longfang of the Space Wolves - The Runepriest from Prospero Burns -Ahriman of the Thousand sons -Khârn of the World Eaters (admittedly weak due to cranial implants) -Typhus of the Death Guard - in The Primarchs, it mentions his status as a librarian of the Dusk Raiders

I've been re-reading the novels & seen a quirk/question. The Primarchs are the generals of their respective legions & have : - according to Prospero Burns different "wyrd's" - Deliverance Lost - their Daddy has homes waiting - The First Heretic - different destiny's - A Thousand Sons - the golden throne awaiting Magnus These all seem to relate to their personalities/characteristics, but I'm struggling to understand the relationships; for example Sanguinius, what's his other purpose? And the the flit-side; Daddy's (Emperor) juxtapositional nature? What are other thoughts?