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Just speculation/wish listing. so with the fulgrim ascended getting released, War com has confirmed that EC will be getting corrupted rules. I’m guessing a new RoW. But I’m hopeful for new units as well. if they give kakophoni line, that would be quite strong. a sonic dread is something I miss from 40k. It would be nice to see again in game. anyone else got any guesses?

Well-met fraters, The concept for this list is that, after Ferrus' death, some of the IH were taken prisoner by the EC. In their despair, they have been coerced into fighting for the EC, who in turn view them as dispensable cannon fodder. Emperor's Children Main Detachment Lord Commander Eidolon (215) Warlord Librarian (125) Biomancer, Jump pack, Force axe Tartaros Herald (115) Sonic shriekers, Phoenix rapier 2 Contemptors (360) Both w/ Melta cannon & fist 1 Apothecary (70) Jump pack, artificer armour 10 Palatine Aquilae (385) 5x power axes, 3x phoenix spears, 2x charnabal sabres 10 Assault Marines (145) 10 Tactical Marines (100) 5 Recon Marines (145) 5x Nemesis bolters, Augury scanner 5 Recon Marines (145) 5x Nemesis bolters, Augury scanner 8 Sunkillers (325) Augury scanner 10 Kakophoni (275) Iron Hands Allied Detachment Moritat (160) 2x Grav pistols, Lightning claw, Jump pack 1 Apothecary (45) 5 Gorgon Terminators (200) 18 Tactical Marines (190) Vexilla 3000pts - Backline held by EC: Sunkillers, Kakophoni, Recons, Tacs - Midboard objectives to be seized by IH Tac blob & Gorgons + EC Herald, supported by EC Contemptors. Tough to shift, lots of FNP - Glorious charge by Eidolon with Palatine Aquilae. They'll also take the Biomancer & IH Moritat so their Power axes & phoenix spears will instant death T4, and themselves being T5 with a FNP should mitigate some of the return attacks

Refreshingly different EC, great job.

Noise Marines and Kakophoni are the same thing, but not all EC are Noise Marines. The Fabius Bile trilogy covers this pretty well. NM are a separate cult within the EC who are devoted to the “Song of Slaanesh” and attempt to recreate this “song” through their sonic weapons, and sonic implants. The first Noise Marines were the Kakophoni, created when a corrupted rememberancer that visited the Laer temple played part of the Song of Slaanesh during an orchestral performance for the EC legion. The Astartes that heard it were enraptured and started trying to recreate it using sonic weapons, and the cult of the Song of Slaanesh spread from there, with its followers being Noise Marines.

Imagine if EC retain the ability to just bring normal Legionnaires as Battleline? I think the Noise Marine unit will have the option to be built as an Assault marine style "normal" unit in addition to the expected crazy sonic stuff, possibly these would be 2 different datasheets even. As for why they're still "Noise Marines", consider the faction from an outside perspective. Who outside of the EC would know that the EC don't spam Noise Marines? You're going up against the EC, so Noise Marines is what you expect and thus thats what you'd call the normal battle line. The TSons Battle Line are technically just the Aspiring Sorc, but since he controls a blob of Rubricae and Rubrics are what you expect you call them Rubric Marines.

I can't help but assume EC are out of the book? Feels like there isn't room for an EC in the 4 remaining unknown detachments

As excided as I am for a full EC codex, I do have to pump the brakes on some excitement here. The WE got their index in May '22, with the 9e CSM codex release. The announcement of the index said that the WE codex was "a little ways off" but came with some weapon previews of new chainaxes. They then got their actual codex release in Feb '23, 9 months later. What Are EC getting? No previews, just a blurb saying the codex is too distant to detect. So I'm not expecting anything for a year+. If anything, we're earmarked for the end of edition releases like WE were, which means they might actually be 2+ years out.

Might be missing your point, but that's the misconception, many of the EC are noise marines, but not all of them, and similarly, not all noise marines are Emperor's Children. There are still plenty of non-NM EC's about. Even then in previous editions, NM's could take melee weapons and were great in melee as they had I5 and fought before marines. I guess the fumble would be if they flanderised EC's to make them be only noise marines, and all new units just be screaming noisers, as that's the low hanging fruit? I'm imagine something more like the HH Inductii, flamboyant with sabres and duelling etc, but I think whatever we do see will have 'upgrades' like shriekers.

If a EC terminator product exist, what theme would it bear? "Duelist" like 30K, or "Bigger Boombox"?

My crazy Prediction. EC get Doomrider, but he doesn't have a head because his head is here:

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Chances are the upgrade sprues will only be for the non-cult legions, seeing as EC are about to become a standalone faction with a completely distinct model line.

Agree. But I do fear that the range design philosophy (or lack thereof) might screw over the Third Legion on release. People mentioned it before: EC is noise marines. EC is also flamboyant duelist melee. But Noise marines aren't melee, There is a lot of potential for a fumble in faction design. At least the index guarantees that they are getting a release. And I believe the release will be sooner rather than later, since WE got the exact treatment. Index in WD, then full codex. Me too fam. Me too

It’s a torture device. Fulgrim is ritually tortured by his legion. I have to say the story of the EC is my least favourite arc of all.

I am delighted to have an EC codex coming in the foreseeable future for sure. I am a little worried about which units are going to be left out. I guess allies are a thing. I would hate to see spawns, oblits and havocs go. Also very interested in the cultists they might recive while owning approximately 80 dark vangeance cultists.

That's what I found odd. The person in question claimed to play a lot of EC, and claimed that Hereticus was underrated if you knew how to play "core" EC. He argued that the psych thing was really that big because it allowed units to "move where you want them to and stay there". I can't imagine morale/objective squatting being this significant, but this guy clearly plays enough.

Nice, congratulations to the fans of the faction since this makes EC all but confirmed for a Codex release this edition. Not too surprising giving GW track record with the other mono-God Chaos Space Marines.

I might ask the admins if we can have a groan emoji. on the wider point, I hate to come across all “Rogue-Tradier-than-thou”, but the original Realm of Chaos Emperor’s Children army list pre-dated Noise Marines. The defining EC trait was not particularly duellists, but their mockery of the Imperium by retaining their name. So I would really like it if they created a completely new unit, and we can have our cake and eat it over whether “most” EC are noise marines. Perhaps that could be the eventual fate of those who survive long enough - a blessing or a curse.

Correct. All legions are Legiones Astartes, only EC have the option to switch to Legiones Hereticus. We can assume that others will follow.

This is a very interesting write up tbh, although it does make me think about the difference in player source prioritization more than the difference in opinion. My brain when you make the conceptual jump between 4th and 6th had a 'wait a minute, where is Fulgrim (2007) and the Horus Heresy game (2012) that introduced the very different narrative onto the EC?', especially given the models that came with the latter that influenced alot of thinking. My first thought was that they were discounted but now I realize that this more of a case of those sources not really being considered for the conversation or at least as far inferior to the CSM codex and main line and honestly that is fair enough given most casual players on a day to day basis. Sort of made me realize that there are players whose notion of a Legion are heavily entrenched in whats in the literal codexes and available for Chaos Marines in 40k and do not necessarily move past that. In my case, I usually think of the EC players I know in 40k as having alot of 30k bits spliced into their kits, the emphasis on Palatine pieces in particular, not to mention my own interest in EC being 30k-oriented because I disliked how limited the expression of their 40k version was. Its actually kind of shocking for me as a big EC fan who is not especially prone to thinking about Noise Marines, the conversation about the fixation on them has been something of a revelation really. For someone like me it is really quite difficult to envision a Third that isn't littered with drug-addicts, flamboyant duelists and mad scientists with the Noise marines sequestered in their weird little corner, its really an interesting thing to realize. To flip it a bit, someone like me that never played Rogue Trader and has little interest in the stuff from the 80s and 90s is often lost and confused when folks start hyping up what I find to be a weird design choice on the premise of calling back to it. Which I guess is really indicative of an interesting trait of the hobby, its been around forever and re-envisioned quite a few times, there is a tendency for everyone, myself included, to cling to the parts they like.

These were my personal fave Noise Marines: I think I have 8 of them. I also have HR Giger looking chaos dread- I think it's called a Furibundus (although that's the name attached to the loyalist version, and I can't find anything about whether the chaos version has the same name or not... But I'm painting it to go with the metal Noise Marines. They'll be a small band of warriors who join a larger EC Warband made out of whatever we get for EC when the dex drops. I'll be happy to have an Index for them until then. I'll be curious to see the detachment rule, enhancements and strats- having an index guarantees they get a detachment that does its best to represent their lore specifically.

It didn't look like the Raptors were updated, and no mention of new Bikes. Also no mention yet of whether EC have been split out from the 10th 'dex

Don't know if someone answered, but I *think* its just disallowed to the full chaos Hereticus list, like the ECs weird list with ascended Fulgrim. At least I hope so.

I think Emperors Children won't be in it, and they'll do similar to WE last edition. So something like a EC force in a White Dwarf until they get their standalone Codex.

I wonder if Noise Marines will be troops or elites. In the lore there's a clear distinction between the regular EC as slaaneshi CSM, and Noise Marines are more of an elite/support unit used pretty much like Havocs. They don't care much about the politics of the warbands while they are get to sing the Song of Slaanesh