Liltom Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 I am sorry if this is not the correct forum, its the best I could think. Zuvassin is a lesser/known chaos god from fantasy, and he is the undoer, seeking to spoil everything. This means destroying the work of other chaos gods as well as everyone else, and I was wondering what you heretics thought of the idea of making a small cult/chapter for him? It is fairly pie in the sky, but one day I would like to create a zuvassin army. I think I would likely make it vanilla chaos, as there is not alot of information on him or his followers even for fantasy, let alone so many thousands of years later. So, any fans of the idea? Anyone know anything more about them than just what I picked up via wikipedia? As is, I have space marines or tyranids, so applying such an obscure god to an army that is somewhat obscure to me anyway, is going to be hard to say the least. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCC Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 I think I would likely make it vanilla chaos, as there is not alot of information on him or his followers even for fantasy, let alone so many thousands of years later. A statement which assumes an as yet unproven connection between the world of Warhammer and the 40K universe. Granted in the early years GW linked the two in a variety of fashions but these days they quite clearly define them as two different settings. As such I'd be wary of adding Zuvassin to the Chaos pantheon of 40K. Still, that's no fun for you is it? My compromise would be to make Zuvassin a Daemon Prince or other powerful entity and create a warband in his service. This way you can still utilise the 'undoer' principle and keep within the more clearly defined lines of 40K fluff. Heck, this way you can even model Zuvassin and have him lead your army as a greater daemon/daemon prince :tu: Still, it's your army, so feel free to do as you feel with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liltom Posted July 17, 2007 Author Share Posted July 17, 2007 Thanks. I think your compromise is probaly my best bet. Maybe having him as a greater demon, but with the fluff side of it that the greater demon is a more direct manifestation of the god himself, or something, but the fact him manifests as JUST a greater demon and not something more represents how he is a lesser god. Modelling him could be fun, all I know is that he laughs all the time :\ He is either whatever his enemy fears most OR a form of his enemy but vastly mutated, either of which is hard to apply. I think I might be brainstorming for some time. I might take rules from nurgle on the sole account that I need a greater demon and I like the fighting style of nurgle, and nurgle's rule seem to be the least far from what I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mabrothrax Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Ahem... *cough*...Malal... *cough* Sons of Malice... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liltom Posted July 19, 2007 Author Share Posted July 19, 2007 Ahem... *cough*...Malal... *cough* Sons of Malice... :D I see your point, but that would be both cheating and less original. I realy wanna do a zuvassin army :\ Does anybody else think the idea is cool? no? Gah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardie Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 i think it is a great idea but i could never pull it off :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liltom Posted July 20, 2007 Author Share Posted July 20, 2007 That is the nion perfect post. Only think left to ask is if any of the vets who were around at the time have any more fluff on the guy beyond what is displayed on the wiki? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mabrothrax Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Cheating? Nah. However doing a Zuvassian force is an interesting concept. What ideas have you for the CSM chapter to follow him (if any)? As always, a great way to represent armies of the lesser gods is with the LatD list, or as Zuvassian (being born of my patron deity Malal) is somewaht anti-chaos a corrupted IG force lead by a radical ][ could work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevlarshark Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Zuvassian.... I always liked the concept of the "lesser gods" but how would a lesser god become a greater one? By gathering followers and worshipers untill their powerbase rivaled one of the four great powers (then over throw them). Maybe your force could represent a kind of 'dark crusade' to gather worshipers and souls to increase Zuvassians status. In which case maybe the religeous zealot theme of an army like World Bearers might be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelos Dante Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 which set of rules would you be using? the chaos dex or space marine codex? as i think you said you'd be creating your own renegade chapter for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liltom Posted July 26, 2007 Author Share Posted July 26, 2007 Chaos. Even if zuvassin hinders chaos alot, its just cause he likes to <DELETED BY THE INQUISITION> stuff up, its nothing against chaos, he is still part of it, he just ruins whatever is appropriate at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Skaav Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 I think I would likely make it vanilla chaos, as there is not alot of information on him or his followers even for fantasy, let alone so many thousands of years later. A statement which assumes an as yet unproven connection between the world of Warhammer and the 40K universe. Granted in the early years GW linked the two in a variety of fashions but these days they quite clearly define them as two different settings. As such I'd be wary of adding Zuvassin to the Chaos pantheon of 40K. Still, that's no fun for you is it? My compromise would be to make Zuvassin a Daemon Prince or other powerful entity and create a warband in his service. This way you can still utilise the 'undoer' principle and keep within the more clearly defined lines of 40K fluff. Heck, this way you can even model Zuvassin and have him lead your army as a greater daemon/daemon prince :) Still, it's your army, so feel free to do as you feel with it... Now there is an interesting idea, I had thought about doing a unit of Marines (just a single unit) dedicated to this power, but you have given me "food for thought" on this, perhaps I can put this towards my idea for a custom Daemon Princes (along with my Chaos Daemon Primarch idea), so perhaps I might think about creating a Zuvassin character and creating a background (for example a Chaos Lord with that name), in gaming terms would that be an acceptable idea? Obviously I would have to really work well on the background, I could not and would not try to simply pass the character off as the Chaos Power Zavussin itself, I would have to put some serious consideration into the storyline for gaming urposes. I need to think this through though before I make any final decisions on the final DP project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 I think it is a fine idea. The "undoer" part makes him sound like nurgle, so you could use nurgle stuff or unmarked or a combo of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 My ultimately futile opinion is that Zuvassin is treading on Tzeentch's turf with his "undoing", which implies a change or alteration from one aspect of being to another, so why give the guy credit at all if all he's doing is the Changer of Ways' light work? Tzeentch is already notorious as being the Chaos god most likely to break his own plans just for the sake of breaking them. Besides, then you have to wonder if there is a scabby little undergod running around messing up the other Chaos gods' works, why hasn't Khorne just annihilated him for interference, or Nurgle metastisized him for his impudence? This desperate clawing to dredge up sub-gods when the Big Four have already covered virtually every aspect of reality beneath their uber-huge umbrellas of influence seems irrelevant. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Skaav Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 My ultimately futile opinion is that Zuvassin is treading on Tzeentch's turf with his "undoing", which implies a change or alteration from one aspect of being to another, so why give the guy credit at all if all he's doing is the Changer of Ways' light work? Tzeentch is already notorious as being the Chaos god most likely to break his own plans just for the sake of breaking them. Besides, then you have to wonder if there is a scabby little undergod running around messing up the other Chaos gods' works, why hasn't Khorne just annihilated him for interference, or Nurgle metastisized him for his impudence? This desperate clawing to dredge up sub-gods when the Big Four have already covered virtually every aspect of reality beneath their uber-huge umbrellas of influence seems irrelevant. :P That is why personally I would make him a Daemon Prince and not a character with godly status, I would go so far as to be bold enough to make him a follower of Tzeentch, yet one with his own agenda and purpose, thus making Tzeentch angry and therefore the DP is cast out and is forced to forge on with his own followers he has collected over the years. Or something like that really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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