Seahawk Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 (edited) Lol, I thought it when I first saw those pics in my own book and and I'll say it again here: those artists suck. Guilliman's flagship design is that of a Dauntless class, and the "battle barges" are a strike craft and seriously squished real battle barge. Seriously, nobody gave those guys any references, did they...either that, or the dumb publisher swapped the names on the ships to make them all wrong. Edited November 10, 2008 by Seahawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt tyranus Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 They are pretty pictures, but they need to relabel all of them. It just goes to show that players put a lot more emphasis on fluff than GW does. Though, in their defense, that is the norm is most matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Actually a LOT of the Marine Legion ships seem to be Imperial Navy types rather than Space Marine types. Certainly ALL of the flag ships are Navy types, so I think that at least was on purpose.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted November 10, 2008 Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 I'm not a huge Imperial Navy expert, but isn't the Dauntless a later (post-Heresy) design? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 (edited) Maybe the new Navy ships are based on old Astartes Capital ship designs that were abandoned with the adoption of the Codex Astartes? Edited November 10, 2008 by The Emperor's Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Could be. They decided that they were more pure, perhaps. *gasp* I am about to impart unknown knowledge to Brother Pariah?! Wow! Dauntless' are a class of light scouting cruisers with about the same mass as current marine strike cruisers. Thus, making such a ship the flagship of the largest legion is, well, crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted November 16, 2008 Author Share Posted November 16, 2008 (edited) *gasp* I am about to impart unknown knowledge to Brother Pariah?! No, sorry. :tu: Wow! Dauntless' are a class of light scouting cruisers with about the same mass as current marine strike cruisers. I knew that. I'm a HUGE Lensman fan, so I always pay attention to Dauntlesses when I encounter them. Thus, making such a ship the flagship of the largest legion is, well, crap. *Shrug* The flagship is just the ship that the Admiral is on. Could be a battleship, could be a light cruiser, could be a minesweeper. Edited November 16, 2008 by Brother Pariah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Aw. Well I figured since you weren't an Imperial Navy expert as you said, you might not have known. But yes, the design has been around since forever. Although, now that you mention it, the current line of ships should theoretically be all post heresy. All chaos ships were the IN pre-heresy, then some transitional designs were being introduced (Vengeance class and variants) just before the heresy, after which the overall design of what we have now was the "holy" version of ships, as well as the crappy version by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 Yeah, I thought I read something to that effect someplace, but I can't remember where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 An image of the command deck of the Vae Victus, mid conversation with Learchus and Tiberius: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/veritas117/mod/scan0003.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjaco Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 (edited) Lexy's link Wiki's Link Keep finding conflicting information as to the size of the Ultra's fleet. For example: 10 Battle Barges: Aeternus, Emperor Incarnatus, Adsidus, Seditio Opprimere, Lord Laomedon, Honours Fist, Faiths Pyre, Icon Of Faith, Imperator Rexelius, Infernus Iconus. 15 Strike Cruisers: Vae Victus, Iter Splendere, Fidelis, Internecio, Accipiter, Valin's Revenge, Garra de Macragge (Macragge's Claw) [The rest are currently unknown for namesake] 20 Rapid Strike Cruisers 75 Thunderhawks or 3 Battle Barges: Octavius, Caesar, Severian 8 Strike Cruisers, including the Vae Victus, Valin's Revenge and the Garra de Macragge (Macragge's Claw) 12 Rapid Strike vessels 31 Thunderhawks That is quite a difference, dont ya think. Edited August 27, 2009 by spjaco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share Posted August 28, 2009 Different sources give different numbers and names. We list them all, and let the individual decide what's right and what's wrong. Some ships may have been destroyed or put in mothballs as of the "current" date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjaco Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Thanks, to tell the truth with the system being so large it doesnt make since for the Ultra's fleet to match the smaller list. Just my opinion though. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Does anyone happen to know the size of a Battle Barge and/or other Astartes vessels? Starship Dimensions has a Navy Battleship and Cobra, but that's it 40kwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Battlebarge: "I would rate this vessel as comparable to an Emperor class battleship,..." Strike Cruiser: "...vessels whose mass is slightly less than our own Dauntless class light cruisers." Basically, we have big and small. A battle barge would match the Imperial battleships for length, with better armor and shielding. Strike cruisers would be probably just over three kilometers long, right around there. Maybe even smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 I found some related info about the dimensions of the RSV's and Strike Cruisers in the new Rogue Trader rulebook. Added it into a "ship dimensions" category, though I forgot to write down page numbers. I'll get that within a couple days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted November 22, 2009 Author Share Posted November 22, 2009 Wow! That's a great find. You might want to indicate that it's Rogue Trader Rulebook (2009), to avoid confusion with the 1987 rulebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) There is an Ultramar Defence Fleet, which seems to include standard Imperial ships, including Heavy Cruisers. (Codex: Tyranids, 2010, page 12) There are Starnova class Orbital Weapons Platforms in orbit over Macragge (Codex: Tyranids, 2010, page 12) Private ships in the area can be commandeered by Marneus Calgar and crewed with those loyal to him in times of direst emergency; the approach of hive fleet Behemoth was one such time. (Codex: Tyranids, 2010, page 12) Edited January 10, 2010 by Seahawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 There is an Ultramar Defence Fleet, which seems to include standard Imperial ships, including Heavy Cruisers. (Codex: Tyranids, 2010, page 12) I've been saying this for years and everyone* has always declared shenanigans on it! HA! That'll show you! *shakes fist in defiance* ;) Glad to see we're gettin some new details outta our arch-foes. I <3 Ultramar info. :) *statistics not verified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 There is an Ultramar Defence Fleet, which seems to include standard Imperial ships, including Heavy Cruisers. (Codex: Tyranids, 2010, page 12) I've been saying this for years and everyone* has always declared shenanigans on it! HA! That'll show you! *shakes fist in defiance* :) I dunno, I'm pretty sure I supported you on that as it's something I would agree with! If not I apologise! Given the additional information in Codex Tyranids on Ultramarines fluff would people consider it a worthwhile buy to get it? I doubt I will ever buy an army, but I am tempted lately... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 *statistics not verified :) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 There actually isn't all that much, Idaho. I've pretty much posted as much as there is. I'm going to read my copy here tonight to see if there's anything more but I highly doubt it. I get the Tyranid codex each time it comes out, simply because I love to read through it. We'll see if I get the same feeling this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) Graymantle's thread about the Tyrant-class ship from Chaos Gate: LINK Oughta add it to the first post, guys. Edited February 22, 2010 by The Emperor's Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaptermaster Graymantle Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) Ok, yet another unlisted ship: Guilliman's Honour Gladius Class Frigate. All contact with the ship was lost while it was on a patrol mission along the frontiers of Ultramar. Ship relocated on the surface of the planet Espandor. The ship is still intact, but the Marines onboard are dead and their bodies are being violated while the ship itself is being looted by Orks. The ship is then liberated by the Ultramarines' 4th Company and the bodies of their fallen Brothers are reclaimed. What Company the ship served is uncertain. The only markings I can see on it is one golden and one white Aquila. Her ultimate fate is also uncertain, though my guess is that it undergoes repairs and is somehow relaunched into space. Source: "Defenders of Ultramar" issue 1 and 2. Edited February 24, 2010 by Chaptermaster Graymantle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted February 24, 2010 Author Share Posted February 24, 2010 Added the Guilliman's Honour and the Tyrant-class (?) BB to the top post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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