Piousservant Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 There is an Ultramar Defence Fleet, which seems to include standard Imperial ships, including Heavy Cruisers. (Codex: Tyranids, 2010, page 12) I've been saying this for years and everyone* has always declared shenanigans on it! HA! That'll show you! *shakes fist in defiance* :) Glad to see we're gettin some new details outta our arch-foes. I <3 Ultramar info. :tu: *statistics not verified Why wouldn't there be an Ultramar Defence Fleet? It would just be a sector/sub-sector level fleet of the Imperial Navy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted February 24, 2010 Author Share Posted February 24, 2010 Why wouldn't there be an Ultramar Defence Fleet? It would just be a sector/sub-sector level fleet of the Imperial Navy... According to BFG Magazine #15: "There are no significant naval assets in the subsector." It appears that there is an "Ultramar Defense Fleet," which is distinct from the Ultramarines' fleet, according to the latest Codex Tyranids. My guess is that it's under Calgar's control as an Imperial Commander (though not in the Ultramarines Chapter's regular chain of command). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Yea, I always figured it was a fleet extension of the Ultramar Defense Auxillia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaptermaster Graymantle Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Yet another ship, and some new referances: Name: Indomitable Will. Class: Strike Cruiser Notes: Served at the Deran II Campaign. Source: GW Canadas old website. http://web.archive.org/web/20060903050221/...l-characters/4/ Thunderhawk: Gladius. Apocalypse Reload, p. 83, 85. Ultramarine Battle Barge Aeternus was also present at the Kasr Patrox Campaign. From the 'FROM MACRAGGE TO KASR PARTOX' Campaign previously accessable from the GW website. Now accessable from the WebArchive: http://web.archive.org/web/20060630004113/...ose/default.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 (edited) Damn good work, Graymantle. WARNING! Anomaly detected! The Ultramarines Honor Companies are described as Honor Guard. Edited February 26, 2010 by The Emperor's Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaptermaster Graymantle Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Thank you! Hopefully I can come up with even more stuff in the future, but for now I'm afraid my priorities must go elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Codex Astartes dictated procedure for launching an attack on an enemy planet: "At first, streaming fire would be launched from bombardment cannons, targeted at key lance batteries upon the planet's surface, softening the way for the drop. On the back of this bombardment, the first wave of drop-pods would be launched, striking hard and fast, their mission to gain a foothold upon the surface and take out anti-air and flak emplacements. Further drop-pod waves would help establish this goal and eliminate prime enemy targets, before Thunderhawks descended towards designated landing zones, deploying more troops, supprt and armor in preparation for a counterattack. In all, a well-coordinated attack could be launched in minutes, giving the beleaguered ground forces little time to react." (Dark Creed, pg. 203-204, 2010) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 Strike Cruiser (I assume): Will of the Emperor: While most of the Ultramar fleet was engaged in the Forian Crusade, the Will of the Emperor carried several squads of Terminators, lead by Commander Troilus, against the genestealer-infested space hulk Hunter of the Void. (US WD 201, p. 49-55) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Ugh....vagaries. Where do I put "Commander Troilus" on the big list? Is he a Chapter Master "Commander" or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 I guess. Maybe you should stick all of the "Commanders" into one category, and explain that "Commander" was synonymous with Chapter Master in early fluff, but became a non-specific rank for the leader of a detachment in later fluff? Then let the reader decide what they want to do with it? I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaptermaster Graymantle Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 (edited) I cant be 100% on this, but I am fairly certain that the Strike Cruiser from the New Ultramarines movie has the line: "ULTRAMAR VICTORIUS" written on it's front. Now this may just be a slogan, but the traditional ship's-name placement does seem to indicate it being a name. http://www.codexguardianangels.com/temp_material/ultramarines-the-movie-ship.jpg Edited March 10, 2010 by Chaptermaster Graymantle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Wow.....how the hell did you notice that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaptermaster Graymantle Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Just keeping an open eye for relevant Ultramarines info! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 That picture of the whole cruiser is interesting. Some parts of it are rendered beautifully full of detail; others like the eagle are tragically simplistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 I cant be 100% on this, but I am fairly certain that the Strike Cruiser from the New Ultramarines movie has the line: "ULTRAMAR VICTORIUS" written on it's front.Now this may just be a slogan, but the traditional ship's-name placement does seem to indicate it being a name. I'm going to keep that one on the back-burner for now. I don't think that a concept sketch passes the "canonicity sniff-test." We'll see what the movie looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Aye, I was just thinking bout that too. All the concept art images....soooo pretty, but really not sure if we should accept them yet. Especially those 2nd Company Banner variants. Mmmmm..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted April 2, 2010 Author Share Posted April 2, 2010 Top post: updated! That's it for me, Brothers! I'm done in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 (edited) Sword of Ultramar (Gladius-class frigate): The Chapter's Due, p. 64, 2010 [destroyed] Grand Duke of Tallasar (Gladius-class frigate): The Chapter's Due, . 64, 2010 [destroyed] Hera's Wrath (Hunter-class destroyer): The Chapter's Due, p. 64, 2010 [destroyed] Guilliman's Spear (Nova-class frigate): The Chapter's Due, p. 64, 2010 [destroyed] Konor's Gulf The Chapter's Due, p. 98, 2010 Ultramar Endures The Chapter's Due, p. 98, 2010 Prandium Memoriam The Chapter's Due, p. 98, 2010 Haven't read the whole thing yet, but if anyone knows more chuck 'em in. Edited June 5, 2010 by Seahawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Oh, I'm going to have to re-read the section (and find it) that I'm referring to, but there was a part of the novel where the Iron Warriors were referring to the Ultramarines fleet and they specifically mentioned Rapid Strike vessel escorts as a separate entity to Frigates and Destroyers. This to me was an interesting indication that there is a distinction between the 2. It would make sense that the Ultramarines can get round the limits on fleet assets by having such a distinction - after all there is a whole lot of space to look after! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Alright, alright. I'll catch up on my Ventris novels. I already own the 2 after DSBS, so I guess I may as well read them..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cptn. Palladorus Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 [iron Warriors] specifically mentioned Rapid Strike vessel escorts as a separate entity to Frigates and Destroyers. This to me was an interesting indication that there is a distinction between the 2. There is a distinction in the BFG fluff and rules too. The Rapid Strike Vessels are Imperial Navy escorts (Firestorm and Nova frigates and Cobra destroyers) crewed by Space Marine personnel. Check page 24 of Battlefleet Gothic: Armada or the "To Cleanse the Stars: Vessels of the Imperium" pdf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Hmm, you would think I knew that having Armada! But the implications of that are quite substantial, knowing that 3rd Edition Codex Space Marines quoted the Chapter as having 12 Rapid Strike vessels but did not confirm they had any Space Marines escorts (Hunter, Gladius and Nova class). It's cool to think that there are loads of Frigates and Destroyers in Ultramar that aren't counted in the Ultramarine's fleet. And of course Codex Tyranids revealed there were Ultramar cruisers (though not in The Chapter's Due). The Codex Astartes is not even broken by all this either, as it counts gun boats on Cruiser + sized vessels and limits the roles of Cruisers and Battle Barges as planetary assault craft - it says nothing about escorts or even size of the fleet ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balroth Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 The Codex Astartes is not even broken by all this either, as it counts gun boats on Cruiser + sized vessels and limits the roles of Cruisers and Battle Barges as planetary assault craft - it says nothing about escorts or even size of the fleet ;) Although the Lance batteries on Nova class escorts do make other Imperial organisations nervous (from the Nova class entry in Armada): "As such, the Nova remains rare in most Space Marine fleets, a trend the Imperial Navy, the Inquisition and other institutions perpetually concerned by the balance of power would dearly love to see continue." -B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Indeed. The Ultramarines had a squadron of vessel in the The Chapter's Due that were 2 Gladius, a Hunter and a Nova, so I would imagine the Ultramarines would have a few at their disposal :pinch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cptn. Palladorus Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Hmm, you would think I knew that having Armada! But the implications of that are quite substantial, knowing that 3rd Edition Codex Space Marines quoted the Chapter as having 12 Rapid Strike vessels but did not confirm they had any Space Marines escorts (Hunter, Gladius and Nova class). It's cool to think that there are loads of Frigates and Destroyers in Ultramar that aren't counted in the Ultramarine's fleet. I have to disagree with you here. Although I personally have always felt that 12 escorts is far too few for an entire SM fleet, especially one the size of the Ultramarines', it is the number we were given and until it is updated I think that the 12 RSVs figure should be revised to include both RSVs and the SM escorts. At the time the 3rd ed. C:SM was published there was no such thing as BFG and the SM fleet wasn't really fleshed out at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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