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Naval Operations of Ultramar


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#176
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It was mentioned as returning to normal space not long after Guilliman went into stasis. I will try and find a page reference for it.

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Considering that Cato also went missing in the warp before the Indomitus Crusade but returned towards the end as he is with Guilliman in Dark Imperium, he might have come out of the warp with the MH lol


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Wasn't it captured before the Indomitus Crusade when the Red Corsairs boarded it and Guilliman had to abandon ship?
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Yes, the ship was lost during the Terran Crusade. I'll be updating the timeline this morning.


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The Ultramarines got back the ship back by the end of the Indomitus Crusade as per "Dark Imperium".

 

In fact Cawl gave it a huge upgrade using Heresy-era tech that meant a 10% performance boost across all systems which was pretty cool. Its also the home of Cawl now.


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No, it's that it's treated as though it's never left the hands of the Ultramarines. Guilliman has been campaigning on it for the entire crusade, which started at earth, which means it was never lost. This throws a major wrench into the works.

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No, it's that it's treated as though it's never left the hands of the Ultramarines. Guilliman has been campaigning on it for the entire crusade, which started at earth, which means it was never lost. This throws a major wrench into the works.

 

Well there is a small gap between Gathering Storm 3 and the official launch of the Indomitus Crusade. Maybe he got it back sometime then? Or when he was mustering his forces for the Indomitus Crusade? I think it should be listed as currently in possession of the Ultramarines since it is Guilliman's flagship in M42 after all.


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Maybe Dark Imperium is the "real" thing whilst the Codex/Campaign books are the historical events?

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Also, it's not quite Cawl that lives on the Maccragge's Honour. msn-wink.gif

Edited by Captain Idaho, 27 July 2017 - 06:34 PM.

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Maybe Dark Imperium is the "real" thing whilst the Codex/Campaign books are the historical events?

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Also, it's not quite Cawl that lives on the Maccragge's Honour. msn-wink.gif

 

I mean, it makes perfect sense in canon. The Macragge's Honour was lost during Gathering Storm which was very much before the Indomitus Crusade was launched. There is a significant time gap between the two events where the MH somehow got back.


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Wasn't certain I, CATO SICARIUS also lost in that battle? I bet he recaptured it somehow to have suitably grand return entrance seeing he is back in DI too whistlingW.gif



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That makes sense too. Perhaps he was not lost in the Warp but lost aboard the Maccragge's Honour and fought a guerrilla war to win it back. Hence his current position alongside the Primarch.
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Wasn't certain I, CATO SICARIUS also lost in that battle? I bet he recaptured it somehow to have suitably grand return entrance seeing he is back in DI too whistlingW.gif

 

In my headcanon, Cato is forced to disguise himself as a renegade Space Marine while in the warp. He dons the armor of a Red Corsair and fights under the banner of Huron Blackheart, slowly but surely climbing up the ranks and eventually leading a Chaos Space Marine warband.

 

He then proposes the greatest prize to his followers: the newly captured Macragge's Honour. He and his warband successfully steal the ship and enter into realspace where Cato then betrays his followers and ensures they are all killed to a man so that none may live to tell the tale of his infamous deeds.


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Head canon doesn't exist. ;)

 

Basically, at this point we have no story of:

 

- when Sicarius was lost 

- when the Macragge's Honour was recovered from the Red Corsairs

 

According to GSIII, the Macragge's Honour was captured and never retaken. Then, time gap. Then, Indomitus Crusade is launched, and Guilliman is back aboard. Keep in mind, Dark Imperium describes the ship and his armory, and how it was completely untouched. You'd think that given the couple years Guilliman might have been separated from it, everything would have been looted/smashed/broken/lost. However, it's written that once Guilliman was lost in M32, the Ultramarines basically just locked the door and never entered it; everything was exactly as he remembered, though with the slight undercurrent smell of extreme age. That tells me the ship was never in anyone else's hands, because they'd just break down the door and take his cool toys. Having a museum somehow be completely untouched, much less the rest of the ship, just means there's a massive breakdown in the story somewhere. One of the two things never happened.

 

Also according to both GSIII and DI, Sicarius was never lost or away from the Primarch. *shrug*


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Also according to both GSIII and DI, Sicarius was never lost or away from the Primarch. *shrug*

 

Not according to Codex:SM, they even have temporary captain take over Sicarius in 2nd for a couple of years...



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Some stuff from Calgar's Fury as I read it:

 

Rex Aeterna: Strike Cruiser, participated in Operation Fury. 3.21km long (quite short), crew of 20,000, carries 9 Thunderhawks. (Calgar's Fury, 2017, p.27-28, 43)

 

Thunderhawk Gunships:

Penitent: Assigned to the strike cruiser Rex Aeterna. (Calgar's Fury, 2017, p.51)

Sinbreaker: Assigned to the strike cruiser Rex Aeterna. (Calgar's Fury, 2017, p.58)

Carenus: Assigned to the strike cruiser Rex Aeterna. (Calgar's Fury, 2017, p.58)

Victris: Assigned to the strike cruiser Rex Aeterna. (Calgar's Fury, 2017, p.58)

Galatan Rise: Assigned to the battle barge Octavius. (Calgar's Fury, 2017, p.102)

 

Axion: Ultramarines Sword-class Frigate. (Calgar's Fury, 2017, p.97)

Minarron: Ultramarines Sword-class Frigate. (Calgar's Fury, 2017, p.97)

Tyrus: Ultramarines Sword-class Frigate. (Calgar's Fury, 2017, p.97)

Rapidan: Ultramarines Sword-class Frigate. (Calgar's Fury, 2017, p.97)

Morcault: Ultramarines Sword-class Frigate. (Calgar's Fury, 2017, p.97)

 

 

Data on the Octavius:

- 6.4km long (again, quite short)

- 40,000 crew

- can launch 3 companies simultaneously (this is the only bit that jives with established fluff)

- Calgar's personal BB


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Some stuff from Calgar's Fury as I read it:

 

Rex Aeterna: Strike Cruiser, participated in Operation Fury. 3.21km long (quite short), crew of 20,000, carries 9 Thunderhawks. (Calgar's Fury, 2017, p.27-28, 43)

 

Penitent: Assigned to the strike cruiser Rex Aeterna. (Calgar's Fury, 2017, p.51)

 

The number of Thunderhawks is plausible. Since the Ultramarines have 31 Thunderhawk Gunships and 44 Thunderhawk Transporters (75 total).

 

Each company has 3 Thunderhawks (as shown in Chapter's Due as well). I imagine Battle Companies each have 6 Thunderhawk Transporters (so 9 total as shown in your source) while the Reserve Companies each have 2 Transporters each. Which makes sense as the Battle Companies have a lot more vehicles to carry.


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I'm going to keep updating my previous post so I can more easily copy/paste to the OP later.

 

Latest additions: more Thunderhawk names and a small BB.


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Got a new addition to the Ultramarine Fleet.

 

The Battle-Barge 'Spear of Macragge' from the newly released short story 'A Brother's Confession' by RobMac.

 

Apparently it's 10,000 years old too which means its from the time of the Heresy. 


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Nice find! I was wondering about that short.


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Oooooo the Macragge's Honour will be in the new BFG pc game...


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Seems like a completely different design to the one in the comic.

 

Though that can be explained since this is the 40k version of the MH while the one in the comic is the 30k version.


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Plus another century of Cawl-flavored enhancements.

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