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[Sons of Horus]

I always wondered what Horus would be like if he became a daemon prince. please post ideas and comments.

you can try to make rules and a stat line for him if you want.

[Brother Tyler]

Since Horus is not and never has been a daemon prince, this thread is being moved from the Primarch Project to the standard Homegrown Rules forum.

[Silent Shadow]

First off he'd be unbelievably powerful and to think of the stats would be quite a job to get them just right which I cant think of at the moment. But to get you or someone else started heres what was decided upon for Horus in the heresy:

http://www.bolterand...howtopic=113980

EDIT: Scroll down to the stats in the quotation box since the first one, I feel, is underpowered to represent Horus after being transformed by the chaos gods

Edited by Silent Shadow, 19 March 2008 - 10:48 PM.

[Sons of Horus]

maybe this stat line ( before you critics start shouting cheese please remember that horus, as a normal primarch was second to the emperor, during the heresy they were practically the same in strength, so if he became a prince then he should be stronger than the emperor by a LOT!)

WS:10 BS:6 S:10 T:10 W:8 I:10 A:8 Ld:10 Sv:2+/2+

[Silent Shadow]

WS:10 BS:6 S:10 T:10 W:8 I:10 A:8 Ld:10 Sv:2+/2+

I would say that is too powerful every model has to be hypothetically beatable, no offense but it looks like u just picked the highest things you could. I agree that he has to be insanely powerful, but toughness 10 with a 2+ armour and invulnerable save and 8 wounds, thats impossible to kill.

He's also got to have a lot of cool special rules and wargear to signify he is the one and only Horus.

[Sons of Horus]

ok ill fix the stats later.
what weapons should i give him? i was thinking since he's like a god now ill make the talon fuse with his hand so it becomes a part of him already.
should i keep the mace or give him something else?

maybe T8 W6 ?

[Silent Shadow]

maybe T8 W6 ?

He'll be almost impossible to kill but wraithlords have T8 plus normal marines at str 4 can't hurt whch seems reasonable. So I say sure why not

what weapons should i give him? i was thinking since he's like a god now ill make the talon fuse with his hand so it becomes a part of him already.
should i keep the mace or give him something else?

It makes sense about the fusing and basing it on the fluff I'd say keep the mace since I can't think of the alternative, also I'd suggest to base his special rules upon the ones created and myabe alter and add new ones in since why would his special rules completely change.

Also due to him being blessed by all the gods, I'm thinking he could be have psychic powers, , what do you think?

[Arikromus]

Maybe just stay with T7.

Daemon Primarch Horus, Warmaster of the Black Legion

WS:8 BS:6 S:7(9) T:6(7) W:5 I:7 A:8 Ld:10 Sv:2+

Wargear: Armor of the Warmaster, Talon of Horus, power mace, Mark of Chaos Ascendant, twin-linked bolter

Mark of Chaos Ascendant: Horus has resisted becoming the pawn of any individual patron, instead combining all of the Marks of Chaos into a unique Mark reflecting his status as Warmaster of Chaos. Because of the Mark of Tzeentch, the invulnerable save provided by his armour is increased to 4+. The other benefits are included in his profile.

Armor of the Warmaster: Created for him by the Fabricator-General of Mars, this ornate black suit of armor protects Horus from nearly all attacks, granting him a 2+ armor save. In addition, the amber Eye of Horus on his breastplate incorporates a defense field generator, giving him a 5+ invulnerable save.

Talon of Horus and Power Mace
The most feared weapon associated with the Warmaster, the Talon of Horus is a huge gauntlet with bladed fingers, with an early edition of the Imperial storm bolter mounted on it. Since Horus has become a daemon prince, it has become fused with his hand. The effect of the two powerful weapons means that Horus counts as equipped with a Infernal power weapon that increases his strength by 2, his attacks by 2, and he may re-roll any failed roll to wound in close combat. (still the same, suggest changes)

Special rules:
Daemon Primarch: Horus, having become a daemon prince, now uses the rules for Daemon Primarchs.

Warmaster of Chaos: The Warmaster is the supreme warlord of the Traitor Legions, second to no one and in command of a vast wave of both Astartes and Daemons. Units within 24" gain the Fearless USR. In addition, all units may automatically pass target priority tests.

Gifted by the Gods: While not a Daemon Prince, Horus still possesses powerful abilities in his own right. Legend has it that during his duel with the Emperor, Horus lashed out at an intruding Custodes with a bolt of unholy fire. He is a psyker and has the psychic powers Bolt of Change, Lash of Submission, and Doombolt. In addition, if Horus is targeted or within the area of any psychic powers, roll a D6. On a 4+, the psychic power is negated.

Master of Warfare: A tactical mastermind with few rivals, Horus is an expert in the arts of war. After deployment, an army led by Horus may adjust it after the enemy is fully deployed but before first move. This option is exercised after all Infilitrators, Scouts, and other 'free' moves. Nominate a unit and re-deploy it, on a 4+ you may exercise this option again. Note that this means you could potentially re-deploy your entire army. In addition, an army led by Horus may deploy in any order they wish, and adds +1 to its Reserve rolls and strategy rating.

Not too different. Help on stuff.

[Sons of Horus]

Daemon Primarch Horus, Warmaster of the Black Legion

WS:8 BS:6 S:8(10) T:7(8) W:6 I:7 A:8 Ld:10 Sv:2+

Wargear: Armor of the Warmaster, Talon of Horus, power mace, Mark of Chaos Ascendant, twin-linked bolter

Mark of Chaos Ascendant: Horus has resisted becoming the pawn of any individual patron, instead combining all of the Marks of Chaos into a unique Mark reflecting his status as Warmaster of Chaos. Because of the Mark of Tzeentch, the invulnerable save provided by his armour is increased to 4+. The other benefits are included in his profile.

Armor of the Warmaster: Created for him by the Fabricator-General of Mars, this ornate black suit of armor protects Horus from nearly all attacks, granting him a 2+ armor save. In addition, the amber Eye of Horus on his breastplate incorporates a defense field generator, giving him a 5+ invulnerable save.but now that his armour has been totally altered by the dark gods, it works with the mark of Tzeentch and together they increase his invulnerable save to 3+.

Talon of Horus and Power Mace
The most feared weapon associated with the Warmaster, the Talon of Horus is a huge gauntlet with bladed fingers, with an early edition of the Imperial storm bolter mounted on it. Since Horus has become a daemon prince, it has become fused with his hand. The effect of the two powerful weapons means that Horus counts as equipped with a Infernal power weapon that increases his strength by 2, his attacks by 2, and he may re-roll any failed roll to wound in close combat. (still the same, suggest changes)

Special rules:
Daemon Primarch: Horus, having become a daemon prince, now uses the rules for Daemon Primarchs.

Warmaster of Chaos: The Warmaster is the supreme warlord of the Traitor Legions, second to no one and in command of a vast wave of both Astartes and Daemons. Units within 24" gain the Fearless USR. In addition, all units may automatically pass target priority tests.

Gifted by the Gods: While not a Daemon Prince, Horus still possesses powerful abilities in his own right. Legend has it that during his duel with the Emperor, Horus lashed out at an intruding Custodes with a bolt of unholy fire. He is a psyker and has the psychic powers Bolt of Change, Lash of Submission, and Doombolt. In addition, if Horus is targeted or within the area of any psychic powers, the psychic power is negated.

Master of Warfare: A tactical mastermind with few rivals, Horus is an expert in the arts of war. After deployment, an army led by Horus may adjust it after the enemy is fully deployed but before first move. This option is exercised after all Infilitrators, Scouts, and other 'free' moves. Nominate a unit and re-deploy it, on a 4+ you may exercise this option again. Note that this means you could potentially re-deploy your entire army. In addition, an army led by Horus may deploy in any order they wish, and adds +1 to its Reserve rolls and strategy rating.

i still didn't change it much so i need more comments and suggestions.

[Arikromus]

You're giving a T8 creature a 3+ Inv save? He also has crazy special rules as well, you know.
Stay with T7 and 4+ Inv save.

[Silent Shadow]

You're giving a T8 creature a 3+ Inv save? He also has crazy special rules as well, you know.
Stay with T7 and 4+ Inv save.

I'd rather have Horus as being even more powerful than the normal daemon primarchs, so I'd say either have T8 and a 4+ Inv save or T7 and a 3+ Inv save.

[Tfcdogbert]

T8 and 4+ invulnerable id say, not quite right that s4 weapons can wound him, id say hes just swat them off like flies.

[Arikromus]

True. T8 and 4+ Inv.

BTW, S4 weapons can't wound T7. T6 is the lowest that they can wound.

[Sons of Horus]

i had an idea for his weapons special rule

[quote] when a 6 is rolled for to wound, the wounded unit is killed outright. however, if you are re-rolling the D6 for to wound, even a 6 will just deal a normal hit.[quote]

[Leethal]

So he gets rending?

Yeah. I'm gonna leave. For sanity and my cheesy side wants to make the Emperor statline now.

[Silent Shadow]

BTW, S4 weapons can't wound T7. T6 is the lowest that they can wound.

They can, you just need a 6, which is why he should be T8.

when a 6 is rolled for to wound, the wounded unit is killed outright. however, if you are re-rolling the D6 for to wound, even a 6 will just deal a normal hit.

Just stick with the normal stats because str 10 will instant kill most things.

[Arikromus]

I checked my rulebook and you are right about the wounding.

So: Str10, T8?

[Sons of Horus]

[quote]Daemon Primarch Horus, Warmaster of the Black Legion

WS:10 BS:6 S:10 T:8 W:6 I:8 A:8 Ld:10 Sv:2+/4+[quote]

[Silent Shadow]

WS:10 BS:6 S:10 T:8 W:6 I:8 A:8 Ld:10 Sv:2+/4+

Not too bad but not sure about Inia 8 or WS 10, marines hit him on 5's, I think thats a bit excessive since on top of that only MEQ's of str 5 or above can wound him.

[Night Stalker]

WS:9 BS:6 S:9 T:7 W:5 I:7 A:6 Ld:10 Sv:2+/4+

my bet

@Silent Shadow:it is not meant to be balanced

[Arikromus]

I agree with yours, Night Stalker. Except increase the attacks by 2.

[Sons of Horus]

WS:9 BS:6 S:10 T:8 W:6 I:7 A:8 Ld:10 Sv:2+/4+

it just doesn't seem right to not give him s10 t8 w6 and a8.

Edited by Sons of Horus, 16 April 2008 - 05:45 AM.

[Silent Shadow]

@Silent Shadow:it is not meant to be balanced

I know but I don't want him impossible to kill

WS:9 BS:6 S:10 T:8 W:6 I:7 A:8 Ld:10 Sv:2+/4+

Seems reasonable, I prefer him to have T8, because I can imagine him just brushing off marines when they attack him

[Sons of Horus]

i really wanna give the talon a new rule since he's a Daemon prince now and its his trade mark weapon. the current rule makes it seem so ordinary.

maybe give it on a 4+ on the to wound roll the unit is killed outright.

[Silent Shadow]

really wanna give the talon a new rule since he's a Daemon prince now and its his trade mark weapon. the current rule makes it seem so ordinary.

maybe give it on a 4+ on the to wound roll the unit is killed outright.

Too overpowered, it would kill anything too easily. How about:

-Horus' lightning claw is a dreaded weapon that strikes fear into all enemies who see it. Enemies within 12" (increase range?) suffer from-1 leadership in addition to any other modifiers.

-Horus' lightning claw is surrounded by dark energy which Horus can direct at his enemies, he counts as having the psychic power wind of chaos, however he doesn't need to pass a psychic test to use the power (a test or not?)

Not exactly original but at least theres some rules which make it stand out.