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I don't know - I think this is somehow incomplete without a third weapon option.Profile: Identical to Vindicator in all respects (including cost) except for the main armament:
Option 1: Laser Destroyer
Option 2: Vanquisher Cannon
Thoughts?
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Rhino Variant - Sabre Tank Hunter
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I don't know - I think this is somehow incomplete without a third weapon option.Profile: Identical to Vindicator in all respects (including cost) except for the main armament:
Option 1: Laser Destroyer
Option 2: Vanquisher Cannon
Thoughts?
Well, the obvious route, given that you already have a sorta-autocannon and a laser option is to complete the trifecta of weapon types which were apocryphally used on the Sabre, and go with some kind of missile rack.
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Koremu is more eloquent than me and I agree wholeheartedly.
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How about a Griffon morter?
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Like some type of HK missile carrier?Well, the obvious route, given that you already have a sorta-autocannon and a laser option is to complete the trifecta of weapon types which were apocryphally used on the Sabre, and go with some kind of missile rack.
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I thought about that but that would just be a Whirrlwind with a bit mor front armour. Would probably look like a Whirrlwind too. How about that new IG tank gun the Punniser Cannon?
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The Sabre is an mobile assault gun style vehicle. It woud look more like the Vindicator with the Demolisher replaced, not like the Whirlwind.
Also the Whirlwind fires area-spread frag and incendiary missiles in clusters.
A possible example from real life would be the Shillelagh Missile, an anti-tank missile which was fired like a cannon round before igniting its own propulsion charge. Indeed, the weapon operated like a very large Bolter shell does by the fluff!
Also the Whirlwind fires area-spread frag and incendiary missiles in clusters.
A possible example from real life would be the Shillelagh Missile, an anti-tank missile which was fired like a cannon round before igniting its own propulsion charge. Indeed, the weapon operated like a very large Bolter shell does by the fluff!
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The Vanquisher Cannon was suggested back on page one. So I support the idea of at least a laser- and shell-based weapon system. Don't really care for a third imo.
Aren't the engines in a Rhino on the track sides anyway? With 4 engines? I wouldn't worry about the realism at all. Put a big gun on the Rhino and you have the Sabre. Done and done.
Aren't the engines in a Rhino on the track sides anyway? With 4 engines? I wouldn't worry about the realism at all. Put a big gun on the Rhino and you have the Sabre. Done and done.
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AAAAGGGHHHH!!!! What laser destroyer!!!! Ive never even heard of a non turbo laser destroyer. And if there is, is there any difference? Just go with some sort of small, relatively short range(for apoc) projectile.
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The laser destroyer is from this Forge World tank http://www.forgeworl...k/destroyer.htm
We could try a rocket assisted version of the Earth Shaker shell. They are of the fire power to make it worth it but small enough to make that kind of conversion fesable for a Rhino sized tank. Could a battle canno fire them you think?
A possible example from real life would be the Shillelagh Missile, an anti-tank missile which was fired like a cannon round before igniting its own propulsion charge. Indeed, the weapon operated like a very large Bolter shell does by the fluff!
We could try a rocket assisted version of the Earth Shaker shell. They are of the fire power to make it worth it but small enough to make that kind of conversion fesable for a Rhino sized tank. Could a battle canno fire them you think?
Edited by Raven Angel, 15 June 2009 - 08:09 AM.
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It could be argued that the Vanquisher cannon does emulate this style of weapon (a longer ranged At shell vs. a shorter ranged general purpose round).
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So in this case we are talking about another type of "shell" for the gun then; because the Vanquisher can fire battle cannon shells too. That would work too. Do we limit the ammo for this missile?
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Actually, where is the fluff for this machine anyway?
Since the original design was for the Autocannon, then I think we should keep it to one weapon and the Vanquisher Cannon is my vote.
Since the original design was for the Autocannon, then I think we should keep it to one weapon and the Vanquisher Cannon is my vote.
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Well, the original fluff was from Rogue Trader days - and a lot of things have changed since then.
So I don't really havea problem with the weapon itself changing - autocannons are not the anti-tank weapon of choice anymore
The Vanquisher and laser-destroyer now fulfill that role (in the current rules set) - and I can see either weapon "fitting the fluff" with respect to what we have to choose from now.
So I don't really havea problem with the weapon itself changing - autocannons are not the anti-tank weapon of choice anymore
The Vanquisher and laser-destroyer now fulfill that role (in the current rules set) - and I can see either weapon "fitting the fluff" with respect to what we have to choose from now.
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I'd prefer the Vanq to the Las-D then. The Las-D simply isn't brutal enough.
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I know I'm not going to surprise anyone, but I prefer the Las-D. I'd be fine with keeping both as possible options, however.
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Maybe we could identify them as different patterns of Sabre - like the IG Stygies and Mars pattern Leman Russ tanks?I know I'm not going to surprise anyone, but I prefer the Las-D. I'd be fine with keeping both as possible options, however.
Edited by bannus, 19 June 2009 - 10:46 PM.
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Or you could have different chapters coming up with ther own version like the SWs did with the pread Annialator and the BA did with the pread Baal
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Maybe we could identify them as different patterns of Sabre - like the IG Stigies(sp) and Mars pattern Leman Russ tanks?
Or you could have different chapters coming up with ther own version like the SWs did with the pread Annialator and the BA did with the pread Baal
These are both pretty good ideas. I'm now thinking of something along the lines of:
The [insert first founding chapter here] first came up with the Sabre [Destroyer] by salvaging a miraculously intact Laser Destroyer from an otherwise wrecked Leman Russ. Using it to great effect, the chapter was able to eliminate the heavy tanks of [insert enemy here] in the [glorious battle/war X]. The other first founding chapters quickly adopted the pattern, but in [M39 or something] a [later founded chapter] was forced to retrofit their Sabre with a Vanquisher cannon after heavy use caused the Laser Destroyer to overheat and damage the barrel. The Sabre [Vanquisher] was widely adopted by many chapters as the Vanquisher cannons are easier to come by. The tech-priests of Mars are still debating the merits of such a battlefield conversion, but most chapters are willing to risk censure to have a dedicated tank hunter
As an aside, I think it's "Stygies"
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Looks good too me 
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I have no idea what you are talking about.As an aside, I think it's "Stygies"
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A Forge World that make Vanquiser Cannons perhapsI have no idea what you are talking about.As an aside, I think it's "Stygies"
Edited by Raven Angel, 20 June 2009 - 07:43 AM.
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One problem with this is that the Sabre concept dates back to the Horus Heresy timeframe - so it is very, very old and likely considered an STC by this time. Also, I really think the "ad-hoc" creations by Chapters idea is starting to get overused - it is responsible for the Annihilator, Crusader and Redeemer already.The [insert first founding chapter here] first came up with the Sabre [Destroyer] by salvaging a miraculously intact Laser Destroyer from an otherwise wrecked Leman Russ. Using it to great effect, the chapter was able to eliminate the heavy tanks of [insert enemy here] in the [glorious battle/war X]. The other first founding chapters quickly adopted the pattern, but in [M39 or something] a [later founded chapter] was forced to retrofit their Sabre with a Vanquisher cannon after heavy use caused the Laser Destroyer to overheat and damage the barrel. The Sabre [Vanquisher] was widely adopted by many chapters as the Vanquisher cannons are easier to come by. The tech-priests of Mars are still debating the merits of such a battlefield conversion, but most chapters are willing to risk censure to have a dedicated tank hunter
What if we make the laser-armed version (the more complicated of the two) the "older" one that is used only by Chapters that can maintain that level of technology and the Vanquisher version being introduced (during the decline of technology) for those Chapters that could not maintain the more complicated laser-armed version? It could be a "re-discovered' STC or something like that.
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either way works. The point is this is not the kind of inovation you are likely to get from the Mecanicum. The Chapters through whatever impatus you feel needed would have to make these leaps of logic.
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One problem with this is that the Sabre concept dates back to the Horus Heresy timeframe - so it is very, very old and likely considered an STC by this time. Also, I really think the "ad-hoc" creations by Chapters idea is starting to get overused - it is responsible for the Annihilator, Crusader and Redeemer already.
What if we make the laser-armed version (the more complicated of the two) the "older" one that is used only by Chapters that can maintain that level of technology and the Vanquisher version being introduced (during the decline of technology) for those Chapters that could not maintain the more complicated laser-armed version? It could be a "re-discovered' STC or something like that.
That works for me. Certainly easier than trying to fill the blanks.
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Chapter Name:Ultramarines
i like the idea of of chapter coming up will new tank ideas to suit certain enemy that they be fighting for years, it the evolution of warfare i dont see how after 10000 years and millions of forge world that there is more varianty already for the marines.
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