Max_Dammit Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Have a 1400 pt game against blacktemplar this wekend, and i removed my speeder and wolfpriest to get the 1500 list to 1400, Ill be using a wolfguard as HQ I got 2 set-ups that fit exactly in the points i have Frostblade Wolfpelt Boltpistol Frag Runic charm Or 2 lightning claws Wolfpelt Frag Wolftail What would be better against a powerarmour army like BT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I would go for the first cause the additional strength could be very useful against othe SM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I'd go with the 1st if I were you Max, the bolt pistol can be useful if you want to try a potshot against and enemy before you charge and the runic charm is golden (as you should know mister ;)). The TLC is good for slice'n and dice'n, but it leaves you without a ranged attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted September 9, 2008 Author Share Posted September 9, 2008 He'll be joined by BC's so shooting will be bad with or without his gun ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Grimfang Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 LC's + BC's = Lots of attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimfoe Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Your WGBL has 4 attacks. Assuming he charges, you're looking at 6 dice with either weapon. Attacking WS 4 he would likely hit 4 times. With the frost blade you'll wound 2.7 times. With the Lightning Claws you'll wound twice and then re-roll the misses to wound one more time. The LC's give you 3 wounds. If you're fighting someone with WS 5, you'll hit 3 times and wound 2 times with the Frost Blade. You would wound 2.25 times with the LC's. Considering the advantage, I'd take LC's, but you'll have to give up on bolt pistol shots and you'll not have the Runic charm. Basically, you should figure on having the WGBL in combat for 6 or so assault phases (3 turns, both phases). That translates to roughly 1.5-2 additional wounds he'll inflict with the Lightning Claws. Is that worth giving up the additional wound that the Runic Charm affords you? I'm not sure. I'd probably go with the Claws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I don't even know why there is discussion on this... The wolf priest is cheaper in points and you get 4+ invulnerable to boot! :sweat: If you still want the WGBL then go with the frost blade variant, the runic charm might not be the game winner, but at least you have S5 to even pop a tank if needed (my lord has popped a vindicator when he outflanked (13th comp) and it was just priceless) Also don't forget there will be neophites... S5 anyone? :pinch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalodon Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Personally I'd go for the first one with the frostblade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimfoe Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Thinking about it a little more, I'd definately go with the Claws. You're not going to shoot if you're with the Blood Claws, and the Runic Charm is not such a big loss in power armor. IMHO, the math simply doesn't lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 Darn, dont seem to have a WG with BP and FB so its going to be lightning claws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalodon Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Darn, dont seem to have a WG with BP and FB so its going to be lightning claws Well that makes the choice easy! :D ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I am with Wolf.. go with the Wolf Priest. But, if the 2LC is all you have, go for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Awww.... I'm on the losing side this time. Oh well, best luck fighting those loony Templars there Max! *goes off to drown sorrow in a keg of ale* :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 i would go with the Frost blade toting one, mostly just because it is another SM army. the wolf priest and TLC i like to use against lower toughness opponents or if i have say another WGBL with frost blade already in the army, he goes after the tougher/HQ guys and the other goes for softer targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RADU LYKAN Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 how about a frost blade and plasma pistol? just throwing it out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlbitz Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 whatever you decide Max, make sure your list over-all is shooty... Those Templars are just nasty now in CC, I've been playing against them quite regularly and have been struggling. The new wound allocation, and thier ability to re-roll "to hit" rolls in close combat ;) makes it just painful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 whatever you decide Max, make sure your list over-all is shooty... Those Templars are just nasty now in CC, I've been playing against them quite regularly and have been struggling. The new wound allocation, and thier ability to re-roll "to hit" rolls in close combat :blink: makes it just painful. I usually take a vindi or two as well as a long fang pack with extra plasma cannons in it against BT's, they don't hurt as much then. ^_^ They cross the board so fast too, there's been games that first turn I'm rapid firing my bolters into their lines (spearhead deployment though, but still) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted September 12, 2008 Author Share Posted September 12, 2008 whatever you decide Max, make sure your list over-all is shooty... Those Templars are just nasty now in CC, I've been playing against them quite regularly and have been struggling. The new wound allocation, and thier ability to re-roll "to hit" rolls in close combat :devil: makes it just painful. I'm using my basic list for this one, No extra's, he's testing his list for a torny. I only have one pack of bolter hunters the rest is on pistols. Just hope my viny gets to shoot this game I have some OBEL scouts Should i deploy them with the troops or have them OBEL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 whatever you decide Max, make sure your list over-all is shooty... Those Templars are just nasty now in CC, I've been playing against them quite regularly and have been struggling. The new wound allocation, and thier ability to re-roll "to hit" rolls in close combat :o makes it just painful. I'm using my basic list for this one, No extra's, he's testing his list for a torny. I only have one pack of bolter hunters the rest is on pistols. Just hope my viny gets to shoot this game I have some OBEL scouts Should i deploy them with the troops or have them OBEL? Well that's a tough one without knowing his list. One guy I face OBEL is useless because nothing is left back there, but a more recent ork player uses some IC that has something like a conversion beamer of sorts that just sits in the back and shoots. Also he has a looted tank that usually stays in the back and fires. I could see the scouts being useful to contest an objective, but that's about it. I'd say leave them at home and use the points for another dread who would do so much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 IF you're not sure on OBEl, infiltrate to get good shooting spots or Outflank, which is almost as fun as OBEL. Just make sure you got enough plasma and maybe a power weapon to handle oncoming Templars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted September 12, 2008 Author Share Posted September 12, 2008 Nice idea Just changed the list to 2 dreads Wont be podding though So i have 20 GHs 9 BCs WGBL 2LC Viny Anny 2 rino's 1 ven dread assault and flamer 1 dread assault and storm bolter All vehicles come with armour and smoke What can hurt the dreads in a BT list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Against the average BT list I faced in the past it's usually speeders, a dread or two themselves and of course the Land Raider that can hurt the dread. With 5th ed though, the speeders aren't as effective, and currently the Land Raider isn't effective tank hunter either, which leaves the other dreads. Oh, and some power fist attacks from your average BT squads can hurt the dread too. The vindicator will definitely be the bane of that BT player, it really will. :rolleyes: Best of luck and can't wait to hear of your battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted September 13, 2008 Author Share Posted September 13, 2008 As expected i got my ass kicked :ph34r: I must say my vin and anny did a good job, Killing over 600 points of his troops 5 teminators 2 atack bikes 2 speeders and his champoin my troops hit nothing but air and so did my dreads so CC was over fast and he started killing tanks after that My ven dread got hit by his 1 powerfist atack (forgot the hard to kill rule in this one though) and the normal one got hit by his only melta and had to stand still before he could charge a non powerfist unit :lol: All in all a fun game where some 4th and 5th ED rules where thrown trough one and other, I realy need to play some one that knows the rules by hart so i dont have to look stuff up every time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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