Brother Anvilus Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Greetings everyone, I was wondering, where and when EXACTLY did the corruption of the legions start? This is what I've figured out already, wince it's the most obvious; It was Erebus of the Word Bearers who got Horus to turn to Chaos.We've seen this hapen in the first few novels of the HH. Now, who (or what) corrupted Erebus? Possibly his primarch, Lorgar?Or did it start with Erebus and then spread to his primarch? Was it a certain book, artifact or dream/trance/near-death-experience? many questions but not so many answers. Please use hard evidence, no rumours or " I heard somewhere a few years ago that this MIGHT have happened "... Thank you and discuss hard :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 It was Erebus of the Word Bearers who got Horus to turn to Chaos.We've seen this hapen in the first few novels of the HH. Now, who (or what) corrupted Erebus? Possibly his primarch, Lorgar?Or did it start with Erebus and then spread to his primarch? I believe it is mentioned in the HH books that Erebus turned Lorgar. This is by no means uncommon, Typhon was behind the scenario where the Death Guard were becalmed in the warp and had to look to Nurgle for salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutteman Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I think it says somewhere that the Word Bearers at first offered worship to the Emperor. You know the regular raising massive statues, killing entire populations of "deviant mutants" the same old stuff. Then the Emperor found out and put a stop to it. Now Lorgar is a bit annoyed that the Emperor refused his worship and then the Chaos Gods make contact (some how, not sure here) and Lorgar decided to worship them instead and so the corruption started. Any other ideas because I'm a bit hazy on some points. EDIT- Damm someone beat me there :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Basically, Tutteman is right, but the thing is Lorgar hated non-religion. He loved worship. So when the Emperor turned down his offer of he worshipping him, Lorgar heard from Eerbus that the Chaos Gods accepted worship. HJe, in my opinion, didn't know what he was letting himself in for. Chaos aren't trust worthy. Any way, maybe if the Emperor allowed them todo that, or employed a force similar to the =I= then maybe the Heresy would never have happened. Mankind would hav entered a prosperous new age and ruled all the galaxy with an iron fist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kharloth Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 I thought that it was Kor Phaeron who corrupted lorgar, as he knew of the chaos gods a long time before the heresy (i think). And when lorgar was angry and upset at the emperor for turning down the idea of worship. Then lorgar had kor phaeron help spread the faith throughout the legion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Disciple Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Yep, Erebus was the First Chaplain of the Word Bearers but it was Kor Phaeron, Master of the Faith that first told Lorgar of the chaos gods. Erebus was used to induct the Luna Wolves into the lodges and tasked with ensuring Horus corruption. So really the corruption began with the Emperor condeming Lorgar for his faith rather than redirecting it. Disciple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Fossil Penguin Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 I'm sorry to break the hard evidence requirement, but this just occurred to me and I need time to think on where I saw it. Lorgar's planet (Colchis?) was tainted by Chaos when he landed there. I'm sure I read that the religion that he was brought up following was Chaos-y in its derivation. I'm not sure if this was in the Word Bearer IA, Collected Visions or something on Lexicanum, so I'll try to find out for sure. I do know that an article states that Magnus' homeworld was tainted by Chaos, so I might be getting them mixed up. As to the OP; my opinion is that Kor Phaeron was aware of the Chaos gods before Lorgar lost his faith in the Emperor and so the corruption was implicit in the roots of the Legion. It was always going to happen, the Emperor's rebuke of Lorgar just allowed it to happen a bit earlier. GFP I'll try to work out if I actually saw what I'm saying I did, and where. It may have been a dream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Fellblade Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Probably not very useful, I know I have read somewhere (IA article probably) that the Gods worshipped on Colchis before Lorgars arrival were the Chaos Gods, that Lorgar had dreams of the Emperors arrival and so started up a rival church worshipping the Emperor and his arrival as he knew of no other way to devote to the Emperor due to his childhood being raised with the Covenant (the dominant religion at the time). When the Emperor turned down Lorgars praise Kor Phaeron came to him with the suggestion that the Old Gods of Colchis/The Chaos Gods did accept worship and so Lorgar turned to them. Although I believe the fluff contradicts itself by calling the gods of Colchis the Chaos Gods and it just being one god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Kor phaeron probably knew about the chaos gods, but stayed loyal to Lorgar and Lorgar's visions of the emperor etc.. But when the emperor turned them down and humiliated them, I think Kor phaeron could here some familair whispers in the dark or so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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