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skarbrand or bloodthirster


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Whats a better buy for 300 points a tooled up bloodthirster or Skarbrand.

The obvious things are skarbrand has more attacks & breath of chaos, whereas bloodthirster is more manouverable & deathstrike. Suppose this can be part countered with Skarbrands fleet, but then he can't use his bad breath.
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First off, paying for all the upgrades on a 'thirster is a bad idea, you only need might and blessing. Second, this isn't a list so is kind of in the wrong place. Thirdly, they aren't directly comparable, a bloodthirster gives you a nice hard monster, Skarbrand totally changes your army.

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Apologies. Have only posted 1 other thing & that started in the wrong place as well - thats chaos for you !!!!!! Will endevour to change my ways, let this one rot, not get too angry and post it in the most glorious of places
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It'll get moved to the liber malificorum soon enough, don't worry. However, the rest of your list would probably be needed to answer your question anyway, so you may as well post your list and it'll be in the right place then ;)

Edited by Captain Malachi, 21 March 2009 - 09:45 PM.


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Fair do's.

I'm up against nids again with table quarter mission. Only troops can hold & contest.

HQ-

Skarbrand or Bloodthirster

Troops

5 plague bearers
5 plague bearers
5 plague bearers
3 nurglings
3 nurglings
3 nurglings

Elites

3 flamers
6 fiends
7 beasts of nurgle

Heavy Support

Soul Grinder (with phlegm)
2 daemon princes of nurgle (noxious touch, iron hide, cloud of flies, breath of chaos, mark of nurgle)

Fast Attack

10/11 flesh hounds with karanak


Should be 1750 points so will have to trim a little off. Hoping to stick all troops in 2nd wave and pray I don't get a 1 or 2.
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those are ... 24 scoring thingies. that's not much at 1750 pts. even a deathwing army has more scoring units ;P
but, as far as it looks, it looks good. but maybe you could use Ku'Gath instead of skarbrand. Ku'Gath is nearly impossible to destroy (i saw him mow down a nice decend deathwing army), and he's pretty in CC too. else: a GUO instead of an bloodthirster, and get some more troops could be an option too. since the most of your army is nurgle, why don't take a nurgle HQ too? it's fluffier :P
i kinda like this list though :P

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Thats a good idea hes pretty durable and with his nurgling infestation every turn hes on board bar first turn i can get another troop choice (hold or contest) with nurgling infestation. Will dwell on this idea for my game tomorrow.

NB: Blood angels rock .... there my first army
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Nurglings can't hold objectives, and he costs 300 points, overall he isn't that great, he's just too slow to do anything against even a slightly competent player. As for your original question, bloodthirster with might and blessing, Skarbrad needs high initiative allies, and you have precious little of that. I'd drop all the beasts for more plaguebearers (without Epidemius they'll do about the same damage for the points). Otherwise it's pretty good, I don't like single 'grinders, but hopefully the two princes and the bloodthirster should take some of the fire off it. But yeah, drop beasts, get more plaguebearers, that's about all you need to do.

And before you ask, no, beasts are not a viable option, I'm sorry but it's true, ask anyone.

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I'm sorry but why is that nurglings can't hold objectives? I thought it might be because of the Swarm USR but there is no mention of it anywhere in the rule's description so it must be something else..

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I'm sorry but why is that nurglings can't hold objectives? I thought it might be because of the Swarm USR but there is no mention of it anywhere in the rule's description so it must be something else..

i always thought they could, i don't know exactly :P

NB: Blood angels rock .... there my first army

yeah, mine too ;) and: they rock, but i keep losing with them xD

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To be honest I can't remember where the rule is, but I have a funny feeling it was in the section on holding objectives. Can't get hold of my rulebook to check though, I'm sure they can't hold them though.

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Right you are sir, i looked there and found it...

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ok; so.. no claiming nurglings, then you should definetly have more troops.

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In the end went for:

Skarbrand

5x plague bearers
5x plague bearers
5x plague bearers
5x plague bearers
5x bloodletters
5x daemonettes

6x fiends
7x beasts
3x flamers

1 nurgle daemon prince (iron hide, noxious touch, breath of chaos)
2x soul grinder with phlegm


turn 1 deepstike flamers in front of hive tyrant & 3 wraithguard & daemon prince, both hit nicely where i wanted - breath of chaos from these 2 took out all three tyrant guard & 1 wound off hive tyrant on my first turn (he went first) ........... other nice moment ....... he charged shooty fex into my immobilised soul grinder ...... i went first in combat and killed him (he had already took some wounds) ..... funnily enough he didn't charge his CC fex in it just watched his mate die............

He did manage to take out skarbrand on his 2nd turn, but only by shooting his winged hive tyrant & other big shooty fex off it in shooting faze ....... still had 1 wound so he charged them both into CC ........... (winged tyrant had taken a wound from skarbrand - chaos breath in my shooting faze) ......... skarbrand killed his tyrant but his last wound was just taken by the fex ................ then 3 of his 4 fexes died & his warrior squads hid at the back to ensure he could keep at least 1 quarter ...............

I had 3 troops holding 3 quarters in the end ............ (8 points for each quarter held - 4 points each if contested) ONY TROOPS could hold & contest in this game which made things a bit more interesting


OHHHHHHHH!!!!! The beasts mishapped onto 1 flamer who somehow surrived a turn of shooting it & disaster role all dead (at least the flamer took out a gaunt squad to make up for it before he died in CC)
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what can I say brutal :)
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In the end went for:

Skarbrand

5x plague bearers
5x plague bearers
5x plague bearers
5x plague bearers
5x bloodletters
5x daemonettes

6x fiends
7x beasts
3x flamers

1 nurgle daemon prince (iron hide, noxious touch, breath of chaos)
2x soul grinder with phlegm


turn 1 deepstike flamers in front of hive tyrant & 3 wraithguard & daemon prince, both hit nicely where i wanted - breath of chaos from these 2 took out all three tyrant guard & 1 wound off hive tyrant on my first turn (he went first) ........... other nice moment ....... he charged shooty fex into my immobilised soul grinder ...... i went first in combat and killed him (he had already took some wounds) ..... funnily enough he didn't charge his CC fex in it just watched his mate die............

He did manage to take out skarbrand on his 2nd turn, but only by shooting his winged hive tyrant & other big shooty fex off it in shooting faze ....... still had 1 wound so he charged them both into CC ........... (winged tyrant had taken a wound from skarbrand - chaos breath in my shooting faze) ......... skarbrand killed his tyrant but his last wound was just taken by the fex ................ then 3 of his 4 fexes died & his warrior squads hid at the back to ensure he could keep at least 1 quarter ...............

I had 3 troops holding 3 quarters in the end ............ (8 points for each quarter held - 4 points each if contested) ONY TROOPS could hold & contest in this game which made things a bit more interesting


OHHHHHHHH!!!!! The beasts mishapped onto 1 flamer who somehow surrived a turn of shooting it & disaster role all dead (at least the flamer took out a gaunt squad to make up for it before he died in CC)


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