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[LI01] Legio Imprints - The Dornian Heresy COMPLETE!


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BOTH look excellent now. I look forward to seeing them painted.

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Here is the 1st Space Marine painting I have ever done! As an interesting little note, I painted the whole thing using GW paints, so that "Codex Grey" color IS actually "Codex Grey". :lol:

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Because it was painted on an odd sized 12x12 canvas, I went ahead and cropped the image as well...
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Feel free to use either image, and/or crop either one as need be to fit your needs. Also let me know if there are any alterations that need to be done as well...

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Aaaand the Sergeant with the horde of disciplined World Eaters at his beck and call... heh

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though I have one curiosity to ask... if Angron is sane, would he have renamed his legion from the War Hounds to the World Eaters? My apologies if this has already been brought up or I missed it in my reading somewhere..

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I think I would like to do the upclose picture of the world eaters showing the scars from his reverse psycho-surgery next. With the proper reference, I am completely confident that I could come up with something very convincing, and hopefully life-like in the end. I'm thinking for this one doing some highly detailed pencil work and from there I will leave it up to you guys whether it works better in black and white or if it needs to be painted.

...unless the said image is already on someone's "to do" list. :lol:

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I like the art so far, however the World Eater with the axe is throwing me off some. It seems strange to me having the full haft of the axe in front of the Marine. It seems like a very unnatural way of holding the weapon.

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It actually is a bit of an awkward hold on the haft... I mainly did this as when I had the haft disappearing behind the leg, it looks like he was holding a throwing chain axe :lol:

I'm certainly not above trying to give this another shot though. lemme see what I can do.

As a side note, I've also got a Thousand Son halfway inked.

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Apologies for my absence - Things have been hectic at work for more than a month or so now, but with the last big presentation for the forseeable future on Wednesday, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Right - where was I?

@Tim - Ah, I can see both images now. :tu: I think the background for the World Eaters looks good - ranked, disciplined troops showing the difference, to my mind. I had not noticed any particular awkwardness about the positioning of the sergeant / officer's chainaxe myself, but if you feel that it could be (relatively quickly) improved in some way then feel free to make the changes.

Regarding both the WB chaplain (which I like a lot - especially all his trailing purity seals and the alternate thunderbolt crozius) and the WE scene above, do you intend to add colour, or keep them as black and white? As we have scope to use both in the Legio Imprint it comes down to what fits best for each image, so it is your decision.

On the question of the World Eater's name, I kept it the same with a hopefully believable rationalisation in their IA article... something to do with it being the name given to Angron's group of gladiators by the slavers, and that he retained it, like the scars from removing the aggro chips from their brains, as a constant reminder of the dark well of brutality inside them all that they must constantly resist. Also, when I wrote it more than a year ago the Warhounds had not yet been mentioned as their original name as far as I know. :tu:

Finally, I had not got around to suggesting any Thousand Son images or ideas - did anything strike you from reading the Thousand Son IA article? My only vision was that they would retain their predominantly red pre-heresy armour, but after the soul-binding would nor need eye lenses on their armour, or would have blind, empty eye sockets... perhaps covered by a strip of cloth?

Sorry - lunchtime is up and I have to run. I will get back to you later, Joey. :tu:

Cheers,
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Hmm... Honestly I'd prefer to allow the awkwardness to remain for the time being if only so I can concentrate on finishing another 2-3 illustrations, revisiting the WE only if time allows.

With the Thousand Son, I am portraying a Psyker with his force weapon/staff in hand, and am mixing the thunderbolt motif with their Egyptian motifs to represent them as loyalist. As far as the lenses/helmets go... I hadn't really thought about it much really :P Right now I have given him lenses, but that can be easily changed to a cloth with holy text written on it covering his eyes... or maybe to differentiate the psykers from the RaF troops, perhaps leave the Psykers with eye lenses and we can wrap the RaF lenses in cloth, bound with a purity seal on one of the lenses? I'll mock something up to show you what I mean.

I'm glad the Chaplain is going over well :D I felt a little like it was a cop-out now having any exposed flesh on him, but it just wasn't working out for me :P

As far as Black and White versus color goes, I'm fully intending to do all of these in color using cell shading. Once I have them in the computer it's a snap to color them, I'm just trying to plow through the actual illustrations themselves to get as much as I can done. Coloring is the easy part ;)

And hey, I totally understand about work bogging you down. I'm salary at my place, and we're in our own personal h3ll right now because we're working overtime to make up for them cutting the hourly folks' hours :P Otherwise, I'd have more for you sooner!

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Hello folks!

I'm sorry I haven't been posting anything here since my signing up for the project, but I've been swamped with all kinds of work and projects! Including this one of course. However and having made a vow to the great Kurgan, I'm posting up an early draft of the image that'll hopefuly be good enough to work as the cover for this Legio Imprint. It features, of course, Sanguinius and his Legion completely taken over by Papa Nurgle and storming the Palace of the Emperor.
Now, onto specifics: what I tried to go for here was a 'mid-battle' angle, so that the viewer would feel as if he was part of the action. That's what the Iron warrior at the forefront is there for. It also serves the urpose of showing us a contrast between the Damned and the Loyalists in this alternate reality. As you'll also notice (if you squint hard enough!), both the Blood Agels and Sanguinius are gaunt and zombie-like, instead of bloated and putrid like the Death Guard in the usual background; I think that was a key point John wanted to stress.

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If this image is to your liking I'll proceed to inks and colours right away so we keep on schedule. If there's anything you might feel needs chaning or adding/taking out, then by all means, let me know! It is at this stage that most of the changes are less painful to make... The colour for the piece I was thinking I'll mostly keep in the traditional Blood Angels and Sanguinius colours, except that I'll add a LOT of rust and green to it.

Also and before I go: the artwork in this thread gets better and better by the minute! @Firelizard, mate... excellent job with the B&W! I'm going through a B&W fever myself and your lines look so clean they hurt. I'd personally wouldn't add much colour to them (if at all!). I think a very limited palette would work wonders with the strength they have now.
@EmptyBolterClip: amazing colouring hat's reminded me of old medieval tapestries, which fits pefectly with the Heresy times. I love how with small details you can make a whole lot more than me slavering over tiny flies in Sanguinius hair ;)

Until very soon and let me hear you!

Nic.-

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PS II.. I haven't left any space for design elements, but I suppose with some black added to the top we could solve that; the designer will know better.

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Just dropping in with some comments... :) Some brilliant work here by all so far, looking forward to more.

Empty Bolter Clip- I do love a sea of zombies! My only critique of the picture is that it's hard to identify Lorgar as a Primarch. Perhaps the addition of a halo or a glow around him would help make him look more special? I'll have a mess around in photoshop and see what I can come up as an example of what I mean.

Aerion- Loving the gaunt Blood Angels as well, Sanguinius does indeed look hungry. I would suggest putting something that would help solidify the notion that the Iron Warriors are loyalist. This could be something on his shoulderpad or maybe a lightning bolt on the knife's blade? Can't wait to see colour.

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Empty Bolter Clip- I do love a sea of zombies! My only critique of the picture is that it's hard to identify Lorgar as a Primarch. Perhaps the addition of a halo or a glow around him would help make him look more special? I'll have a mess around in photoshop and see what I can come up as an example of what I mean.


I think I know exactly what you mean. I experimented earlier on with doing the "circle of gold around the head" style of halo as seen on medieval art. I think I could easily do that, either in photoshop as you say, or on the actual painting itself....

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Hola again folks!

Empty Bolter Clip - I think Sigismund hit the only nagging thing that my back brain said was missing but I couldn't think of. What I did think of was tapestry. Pure Dark Age Tapestry. Apparently I wasn't the only one :) It looks aged, worn and beaten, but still here, still alive. The feel portrays just as much as the painting itself, man. Love it.

Aerion - I gotta admit a bit of fandom myself for your work, and I really appreciate the comments and extremely kind words. Annnnd... well, PA or not, one of your Spiderman pieces is on my desktop. Nuff said, true believer. Hmm.. yep. Geeked out. Anywho! The battle scene in your draft is amazing. the amount of depth you put into it with the perspective and the way it feels you put a leash around my eyes and make them follow where you want them to along it, it's great. Can't wait to see more.

I've got some of the Emperor's Thousand Sons to show everyone tonight.

The first is the Psyker I mentioned. Really just some random scribbles turned into this concept.

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This next one was my take on a 1000son RaF trooper based on the thoughts John had mentioned. I ended up fastening the binding cloth around the eye lenses with a purity seal for added effect.

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Let me know what ya'll think! I do alot of roughing out during the second half of my lunch at work... time at home has been hard to find, so I found the time where I could :)

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So I did 3 revised versions with a medieval style halo... the only real difference between them is different "blending" effects to the actual halo.

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I'm not sure if I like it or not... IMO, it works and at the same time it doesn't. Reason being, in medieval-religious art, the robes and such of the subject cut off the circle shape of the halo, where as with the posture of Lorgar's head there is nothing to keep it from looking like a big "golden bubble". I think it could have worked more with the pose from the 1st sketches though. I could try painting it instead of photoshop, but I think the same "fitment" issues will remain...

... another option would be a completely new, 3rd painting. I know it would be more work, and more of a setback, but I don't mind.

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EmptyBolterClip - Hmm.. here's an option to try out in photoshop at least to see how it looks... What about cutting it off, as you mentioned, at the back collar of the torso? See if that gives you the effect you're looking for? I'd hate to see you redo a well-done piece of artwork.

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Right... things have settled down at work, I have Friday afternoon off, and I have even finally got the proper drafting process started on the Blood Angels IA. Again, apologies for not keeping on top of this thread - I really appreciate all the work you have been putting into this. :drool:

@ Joey - I think the second of the three halo examples looks best personally. It gives the focus more to Lorgar and points him out as the centre of something mystic or holy. :) The only small thing that looks unusual to me are the zombie hands reaching up from behind Lorgar - While they are admittedly zombie hands, their depiction seems to lack a little definition or detail. Is this intentional to stop them pulling focus from Lorgar? Is it possible to (reasonably rapidly) detail them, and is there a consensus that it would even be required?

Regarding the World Eater psycho-surgery scar, that sounds great! I will amend the first post to say you are working on it, and I am looking forward to seeing your take on it. :tu: In the World Eater Alt-IA I wrote: "Part of this was the removal of their aggression chips, and the ugly scar tissue that resulted from the procedure became a palpable reminder of their rejected past. In solidarity the Terran legionnaires that had never had the procedure took to tattooing the scalp above the left temple, and even ten millennia later, this practice still endures." That gives a place for the scar - I leave it to you to decide if it should be an original Heresy era marine that actually had a real and messy scar or a post-Heresy non-gladiator with a simple stylised tattoo.

@ Nic - I really like the draft of the Sanguinius picture, :) although I understand Sigismund's point about firmly establishing that Sang and his legion are the bad guys. You have captured their gaunt nature - you mentioned zombies but to me they were more like vampires in my head, although aspects of the the diseased, necrotic (but not brain dead) nature of zombies are also a good fit. I found the following quote from the overview:
"As the mighty gates were blasted open, it was not Dorn that defended them, but Sanguinius of the Blood Angels, skin pocked and welted, and his once white-feathered wings now balding and slicked with necrotic pus."
The image of the balding, pus-slicked wings was one of the things that I loved from the start of this project I think that if you can convey their glorious grossness then I will be so happy. The sketch has quite a tight focus on Sanguinius - is it possible to pull out slightly to give a little more prominence to the wings?

@ Tim - The Thousand Sons artwork is great! I loved the detail on the edges of the fabric / shoulderpads and the almost scarab-like 'T' on the chest - repeated on the force weapon and the librarian's helm. The Librarian (squad Librarian-sergeant?) is my favourite of the two, possibly because psykers / sorcerers are so iconic for the legion. The only suggestions would be to alter his helm so that it doesn't have the eye lenses - hopefully it would make him look more otherworldly - and that his left leg seems to be missing.

On the rank and file trooper, as before the detailing on the shoulderpads and links to the Thousand Sons imagery on the chest is very effective. I had initially thought the cloth would be wrapped around the eyes on a bare head, and the purity seal at first looked like the targetting array eyepiece of a devastator marine, but it is growing nicely on me. :) Is it possible to give the helmet the kind of simple scarab motif at the forehead (but not necessarily the extra bit from the Norm-Verse post heresy thousand sons - although that would be good to keep it on the Librarian - it could be a part of his psychic hood, perhaps?


Thanks again to you all for putting so much effort into this project - it is great to see the things that have been in my head since the summer of 2006 leap onto the page so vibrantly - and I am sure that it will reflect amazingly in the Legio Imprint. :)

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Sorry for the brief post. Excellent work so far, but with the Lorgar-Halo issue, I do prefer the second one but how about making it a little smaller? Also, you could try to "pimp" up his armour to make he stand out from the two in the background.

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What about cutting it off, as you mentioned, at the back collar of the torso? See if that gives you the effect you're looking for?


Yeah, I tried that as an option 4..... needless to say it REALLY didn't work imo. At that point it completely lost its halo effect and really just looked odd and out of place.

@ Everyone. Thanks for the input and ideas. I will see what I can do to spice up the hands with some detail and see if I can come up with some more halo tweaks, options, or ideas. I still think if time permits, doing another painting would be helpful... even if it only goes into my portfolio! :lol:

In regards to the WE portrait - Thanks for the write-up detail. I definitely think scars would look more impressive. I will see what I can come up with.

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I could easily add a stylized gem-piece on the helmet of the RaF trooper, no problem there. I was counting the stylized headdress as the psychic hood, really, so let me see what the forehead piece looks like on the RaF as well. I'm a little hesitant to get rid of the eye lenses though... are the psykers also bound? I thought those were the only real flesh-and-blood marines left... or am I mixing things up? Lack of sleep tends to do that sometimes :P ;)

The missing leg on the psyker is.. well, yeah it's missing ;) I never drew it. It'll be part of the framed crop ;)

I can understand the targeter comment about the purity seal, as I did place it right where the eye lens is for just that reason, but I'm glad it's growing on you. it should really help once I add color.

Any further requests now that folks have seen my style across 3 legions? The first two were suggestions, the 1000sons were form inspiration and thoughts from John... next? :P

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@ Ferrata - Great to see you in here, Phil! Have you any thoughts on what pictures you would like to see in your White Scars IA?

I could easily add a stylized gem-piece on the helmet of the RaF trooper, no problem there. I was counting the stylized headdress as the psychic hood, really, so let me see what the forehead piece looks like on the RaF as well. I'm a little hesitant to get rid of the eye lenses though... are the psykers also bound? I thought those were the only real flesh-and-blood marines left... or am I mixing things up? Lack of sleep tends to do that sometimes :P ;)

The simple stylised gem-pieces (in one form or another) were used in the Horus Heresy artbooks for all ranks as far as I could tell. Everyone in the Thousand Sons legion is Soul-Bound and hence blind, but they are all still flesh and blood.

The missing leg on the psyker is.. well, yeah it's missing ;) I never drew it. It'll be part of the framed crop :)

I can understand the targeter comment about the purity seal, as I did place it right where the eye lens is for just that reason, but I'm glad it's growing on you. it should really help once I add color.

If the positioning of the frame crop / leg amputation is intentional then I will bow to your artistic judgement. :) I was thinking myself that the addition of colour to the purity seals would help make it more obvious that it wasn't a targeter.

Any further requests now that folks have seen my style across 3 legions? The first two were suggestions, the 1000sons were form inspiration and thoughts from John... next? :)

I shall have to get working on new ideas for the legions that haven't got any attention yet... Off the top of my head the Emperor's Children - They cling stubbornly to pre-Heresy technology, so a marine on a jetbike (or a squadron with one as the focus) would show their character. Similarly, show an Emperor's Children marine in early mark (very pre-Heresy) power armour... Obviously they are also the only ones to use the Aquila. Also the Raven Guard - able to transfrom their own bodies and grow claws in a trice. The Space Wolves with their composite stolen armour, blooded neck torcs and even crazier than normal mein. White Scars - all perverted by Slaanesh (Ferrata may be able to give some pointers). The Blood Angels get the cover from Nic, but I will see what other images would work inside the article itself. Sevano Tomasin is working on an Ultramarine picture of them in prepared defences, but the image of an Ultramarine with a Tau-tech inspired railgun, or even a heavy railgun of some sort on a Rhino chassis of some sort would show up the differences to the normal Ultramarines.

Does anything from that grab-bag appeal? :D

Cheers,
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Any better?

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:D That looks much better. The hands reaching up over him look seriously creepy! Great work, Joey. :tu:
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Hello again guys!

Glad to see everything's taking shape really quick! I'm a bit ashamed of my own slow progress on this, but I hope the final image will be worth the snail trail process... So, I've noted down all of the suggestions thus far and have come up with this new draft adding them and hoping they'll make for a better image. They certainly do in my eyes!
Sanguinius, as you can see, is now much more decayed and visibly rotted than in the first incarnation of this illustration. Also, I've pulled him further back so as to show his decaying wings, like John suggested.

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I've also worked up some other details onto the IW's armour, to show his allegiance to the Imperium: purity deals, lightning and eagle wings on the shoulderpad around the Legion's symbol. I think those, coupled with the eagle-themed sword hilt, will moe than make the viewer understand he's a loyalist. Plus, when this one's done, there'll be so much decay coming out of those BAs that whatever's clean in the picture will be instantly loyal :P
I've added yet another BS Marine, to take up more space and also show a helmeted brother (which is always nice!). As for your point about the BAs looking more zombie-like than vampire-like, John, I understand what you're saying, but I thought that if Nurgle had taken a hold of the, some of that beauty they have would've been completely lost and zombies fit more with that. I didn't want to end up having "Edward Cullen"s in power armour! However, they won't be as decayed as living dead, for sure... they'll look pretty alive when I get to colouring them.

So, let me know what you all think and stop putting me to shame with your updates! :D

Until very soon!

Nic.-

PS.. Oh, by the way, if this one's approved, then I'll give it some final pencils treatment and it's off to colour work from there!

Edited by Aerion the Faithful, 24 November 2009 - 02:55 PM.

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That looks great, Nic. :tu: Looking forward to seeing how it progresses. :)
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Just a quick post to check up on progress. :) Obviously my opening timeline for this of being published in early December has had to be revised - if only because I have only just started breaking through the writer's block I have been battling with on the Blood Angels Alt-IA! ;) We shall have to make a decision when the new publication date is likely to be and see what is viable. The good news is that things seem to be shifting on that front now, (see the dedicated thread elsewhere in the AD section) and inspired by Nic's BA cover sketch have been thinking up other possible images for them:

1. The brass insects about the size of your hand that are powered by the daemonic and are used by the Sanguinary Priests to test if captives are suitable candidates for exsanguination and organ harvesting... the image of one extending a proboscis to taste test the tears of a captive is horribly creepy, and appropriate for the legion I think.

2. The other is a Blood Angel assault trooper, and specifically the jump-packs they wear. The new Forge World Blight Drones that hover due to the thin twin turbofan are what I am thinking - totally different from a normal Astartes or Raptor jump pack, and at the same time very Nurgley!

So, how have you all been keeping?

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Index Astartes: Scions of Dorn

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So, how have you all been keeping?


The Holidays have thrown in proverbial wrench in my work ethic with out of state travels and such... I'm hoping to get back on the wagon before next set of holidays throws in another wrench! :rolleyes:


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