Farmer_Geddon Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 I looked at this and thought 'Wow - a way to make my Deathwing not suck*!' Then I realised, 'Wait, you can't put two units in a transport' So that leaves it out of friendly games, and leaves it for apocalypse games where you can actually add more than 2 characters to a unit. Granted I was going to scratch build it anyway, but now there's still no point. Back to the LRC lads. *A way to get 10 deathwing terminators into combat quick and safe and cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Sorry, it's too good. It either needs to cost a lot more, or it needs to lose a lot on survivability and/or firepower. Just the fact it can move 36" into enemy deployment zone turn 1 makes it worth the price tag. Exactly. This is the justification for my first post. If the LGS allows its use outside of Apoc, then the LR becomes practically (but not totally) worthless. Compensation for the LR, abilities can be allocated elsewhere. I also agree here: there should be fewer things like the caestus ram in the game, simply because they`re too much of trick ponies that are extremely hard to stop, yet extremely specialized in their use. The CAR dumbs the Space Marine game down. The Land Raider almost does this for us already, almost. So if the CAR is just too good to pass up over the LR ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattison Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 One word: BROKEN. I like the look of it btw.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turelhim vampire Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 I totally agree with the rules, it's too broken for even apocalypse games, however I am in the process of scratchbuilding one as I have nothing in Apocalypse to field that has the same 'wow factor' as my Ork/Imperial Guard playing friends' Stompa's and Baneblades. The Caestus is certainly a wow factor all right. I love the look of the model, and as a Salamanders player it gives me back what Codex: Black Templars stole from me: Ceremite Armour. In Apocalypse I'd be very tempted to double it's points cost at least before I fielded it, but I don't think anyone will make even half as much fuss once it's experimental rules have been playtested. By the time IA9 is out expect the rules to be toned down A LOT. To me, it needs the following if the points cost is going to stay the same: Twin Linked Multi Melta instead of the Magna Melta, removal of the extra movement during flat out and removal of the 5+ invulnerable save to the front armour. It doesn't need those trinkets to be a good tank. It looks almost VDR'ed, for those who remember those awesomely terrible vehicle creation rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Meh, Id call it 450pts and make it a flyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazardousZERO Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 I personally love this thing. 36" of turbo boost 2" disembark and 6" of assault yes sir ill take one. My question would I be able too use this with my PH World Eaters because if so I cant think of anything better to carry in Angron and his body guard. I mean 44" of range for the red angel o yea that would be sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aekold Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 I personally love this thing. 36" of turbo boost 2" disembark and 6" of assault yes sir ill take one. My question would I be able too use this with my PH World Eaters because if so I cant think of anything better to carry in Angron and his body guard. I mean 44" of range for the red angel o yea that would be sweet. I believe that you cannot disembark if your vehicle moved over 12", this what you are suggesting won't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koremu Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 It's utter cheese. That said, there are any number of things wrong with the Space Marine Codex, but the CAR doesn't solve any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daemon*hunter Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 It shares the same problem as all Experimental Rules - It's designed to be flashy. This means (or at least is intended to make) lots of people will buy it. But i think most of the more recent additions (FW or not) are overpowered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG42 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 I looked at this and thought 'Wow - a way to make my Deathwing not suck*!'Then I realised, 'Wait, you can't put two units in a transport' So that leaves it out of friendly games, and leaves it for apocalypse games where you can actually add more than 2 characters to a unit. Granted I was going to scratch build it anyway, but now there's still no point. Back to the LRC lads. *A way to get 10 deathwing terminators into combat quick and safe and cheap. LRC maxed with DW termies is 7. The Caestus 7 no difference. Now I'll agree the rules to this are slightly broken (IMO). But when you truly think of some of the cheese other armies have, it gives the SM player a fast way to get to them...ie...50,000 ork lootas firing autocannons, Imperial guard and their pie plates, screened by HB's and LC squads. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drachnon Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Shouldn't that be 8 Termies in an LRC since its transport capacity is 16? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 The thread is over a year old, Drachnon :) But no, he means 7- Deathwing Terminators come in squads of 5. Add two HQ characters, and that becomes 7 termies, even though the LRC can hold 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drachnon Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Sorry I followed link to the threat and didn't check when the last post was :) But that does explain a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I know the thread s old, but the CAR has been calling to me and growing on me since I frst saw it. Does anyone know if they changed the rules and points cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I know the thread s old, but the CAR has been calling to me and growing on me since I frst saw it. Does anyone know if they changed the rules and points cost? Yes, it got an overhaul in Imperial Armour Apocalypse Second Edition, just released before Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Aye, pretty sure it doesn't have anti melta shielding on it anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 drat, but is it still in the same points cost range? (Not asking for specifics, I have and idea that asking for that would get me in trouble.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klisof Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 drat, but is it still in the same points cost range? (Not asking for specifics, I have and idea that asking for that would get me in trouble.) It's in the same kind of points range as a LR crusader in the BT codex (not exactly the same, but you get the idea). The rules/points for the CAR are the same in both places FW have published them, IA apoc 2nd ed and the 2nd Badab war book - both are worth getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I've been wanting to try out a car for ages, like the idea of it, and have been tempted to get one from fw (though I'm not gonna spend 100 pounds on one). I could imagine ramming it at a super heavy, after having dropped off 10 terminators :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 · Hidden by DarkGuard, January 23, 2014 - necro Hidden by DarkGuard, January 23, 2014 - necro Been thinking abut getting one for my upcoming Carcharodons. Looking at the rules I'm on the fence vs a Storm Eagle. Anyone who has one have any thoughts on it? Link to comment
knife&fork Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 · Hidden by DarkGuard, January 23, 2014 - necro Hidden by DarkGuard, January 23, 2014 - necro It's super expensive and not very good, but really fun! Link to comment
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