Ekim_Trub Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) Greetings brothers, post #31 is the most recent incarnation of my Index Astartes. All the posts before are part of its development process. Thanks for looking, trub. Edited July 12, 2012 by trub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantonWC Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Hey, haven't you posted this one before? There is a minor discrepancy, as it says they are 3rd Founding in one place and 5th in another. A s with almost all of the older Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes, the Shadow Falcons do not view the Emperor as a god, but instead regard him as the greatest man to have ever lived and offer him due reverence as both the founder of the Imperium and master of mankind. Reverence is also offered to the Primarchs, for they are seen as the pinnacle of mankind and the standard to which all Astartes should look to attain to. The base ideals of the Great Crusade are also held in high regard by the Chapter, for they still believe that it is mankinds destiny to rule the stars and theirs alone, thus all Xenos species should be eradicated in order to achieve this goal. Pretty much par for the course. A very pragmatic and realist Chapter, the Shadow Falcons view the hours spent by their more zealous brethren in worship or ritual as time wasted, for this time would be better spent improving their martial training or furthering their knowledge. For it is their belief, that the best way to truly serve the Emperor is to the greatest warriors possible and to be found taking the fight to the enemies of the Imperium- for that is the sole reason that they were created. As a result of this, the Codex Astartes is not seen as a holy tome to be adhered to, but instead, a guide to warfare open to both interpretation and expansion- a view that does not sit well with some Chapters, notable the Ultramarines and their many successors. I'm not sure I understand how the first part leads to them regarding the Codex as a guideline open to interpretation. The brothers of the Shadow Falcons are known to be disdainful of their more zealous brethren, regarding them as less dedicated to their duties than themselves. And as such, they take very little to do with the Ecclesiarchy, for they regard their duties as more important than them. Yet, any who have seen the Chapter in battle cannot question their loyalty, but this has not stopped some calling for Inquisitorial investigation. I'm not sure why you're linking other Chapters to the Ecclesiarchy? Because most Chapters don't like the Ecclesiarchy and vice versa, due to the fundamental difference in theology. Simply not liking the Ecclesiarchy is not grounds for Inquisitorial Investigation, at least not in my book, unless you go out of your way to do something extreme. Many rumours exist as to how this is possible, the chief one being that the Chapter maintains many "untouchables" within the ranks of their Chaplains, which would help explain why they are almost always present upon the battlefield. Uh, are you talking about psychic nulls and blanks? Because that's taking your Chapter into territory that others might object to? U nlike most Chapters that trace their genetic legacy back to the Raven Guard, the Shadow Falcons very rarely make use of stealth or guerilla tactics. Instead they are masters of air assault tactics, heavily utilising the high number of Thunderhawks they possess to deploy (and re-deploy if neccessary) their forces, as well as to provide close air support. Reason being? As laid down in the Codex Astartes, the Shadow Falcons are structured into ten Companies with the only minor divergence applied to the four Battle Companies, with each now possessing a Veteran Squad and a Scout Squad, thus turning them into self-contained battle forces. Each Company is also allocated their own armoured units aswell as a number of Thunderhawks, which enables them to operate independently without additional support for longer periods of time, thus allowing then greater scope to respond to any threats that arise without delay. I don't really see this as being a divergence. Veterans and Scouts would be dispersed among the Battle Companies and not fighting together as a whole. One to provide veteran leadership and the other to serve as recon. So again, par for the course. Well it seems like you have the basic framework down, but that's about it. I don't really see what makes these guys different, a personality or a quirk to set them apart from the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekim_Trub Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 Yes, you are correct i have posted this in another post but that post is now defunct and i felt it was easier for myself to start afresh. (And i shall be asking the Mods to delete said thread.) Thanks for the comments, i shall look to address the points raised- but it is still very much a w.i.p and as such will change over time (when real life allows). I was mainly looking to get down a solid basic framework to expand upon. But alas, i fear you are correct- i too cannot find a quirk to give them to make them stand out, BUT at the same time i kind of like that. My idea is too represent my version of the Astartes- a no nonsense, straight to business, job done and go home force of bio-engineered superhuman soldiers who shun religion and ritual in favour of their duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Does Captain Trajan get a column? You do need to give them a "quirk", especially a huge and interwoven one.. You can do something like the White Scars, for example: A Codex Chapter who happen to have a prefered method of warfare and certain beliefs. It doesn't have to be Wolf this, or Blood that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekim_Trub Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 Oh yes, Captain Trajan will defo make an appearance. (The 5th Company are my baby, lol) Basically, i am just looking to expand this basis further so that it reads as an acceptable IA. P.S I am digging the new layabout- thank you Octavulg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I was making a historical joke.. Trajan's Column? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekim_Trub Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 :D I cannot believed i missed that one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantonWC Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 But alas, i fear you are correct- i too cannot find a quirk to give them to make them stand out, BUT at the same time i kind of like that. My idea is too represent my version of the Astartes- a no nonsense, straight to business, job done and go home force of bio-engineered superhuman soldiers who shun religion and ritual in favour of their duty. Perhaps quirk was the wrong word to use. You need to give them a character and personality. Right now they're not interesting at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekim_Trub Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 I understood what you meant, but i'm struggling with that aspect. Any ideas? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantonWC Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 What do you want out of them? Write down what they're supposed to be in one sentence and go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekim_Trub Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 My idea is too represent my version of the Astartes- a no nonsense, straight to business, job done and go home force of bio-engineered superhuman soldiers who shun religion and ritual in favour of their duty. Pretty much as above! A bit boring i know but thats what i actually want from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantonWC Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 That's fine. In fact my Dark Swords are a little like that. Some things to think about: If they are fleet-based, think about what that means in terms of living a life "at sea" all the time. They will probably recruit from everywhere; if there are any major cultures they particularly favor, think about what that culture may bring to the Chapter in terms of their way of thinking and tradition. Think about where they are in the galaxy, the kinds of enemies they fight on a regular basis, Imperial organizations they are frequently in contact with, whether or not they have friendly relations with those organizations. If you say they are disdainful of more zealous Chapters, think about how this affects relations with other Chapters. Differing combat doctrines also figures in here. Think about any early leaders or momentous events that shaped the character of the Chapter into what it is in the present day. CWC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekim_Trub Posted February 23, 2011 Author Share Posted February 23, 2011 If they are fleet-based, think about what that means in terms of living a life "at sea" all the time. They will probably recruit from everywhere; if there are any major cultures they particularly favor, think about what that culture may bring to the Chapter in terms of their way of thinking and tradition. I had thought of this, and was going to go with the idea that their traditions are drummed out of them. Think about where they are in the galaxy, the kinds of enemies they fight on a regular basis, Imperial organizations they are frequently in contact with, whether or not they have friendly relations with those organizations. They operate solely in Segmentum Pacificus, so they will frequently fight Orks and Chaos with the occassional encounter with the Eldar and the Dark Eldar. I am looking to have them in regular contact with the Ad Mech (escorting Magii Explorators and AM Fleets), whilst avoiding contact with the Ecclesiarch, who they deem over zealous. If you say they are disdainful of more zealous Chapters, think about how this affects relations with other Chapters. Differing combat doctrines also figures in here. I was going to stick with my idea of them preferring to operate independently, but still participating in IG led campaigns when neccessary. And when the occassion arises that they fight alongside other Astartes, have them serving with chapters they "like" or that they're combat doctrine would provide a different aspect to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekim_Trub Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 (edited) New revised IA on post #17. Edited August 5, 2011 by trub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Since your Chapter doesn't take well to spirituality, does this mean they no longer have Chaplains? If that is the case, then I could see them having a problem with the Ecclesiarchy since the Chaplains are the diplomatic nod from the Astartes, with the Ecclesiarchy offering the rosarius as a sign of good will. If your Chapter has neglected the practice, I could see tensions arising. Your article mentions that recruits are taken during "early childhood"; how early? If your Astartes can't be bothered to take time away from training to pray, I seriously doubt they'd be interested in taking time away to raise children. Planetary culture could easily be drilled out of the neophytes during their training period, so I don't really see the need to make your Chapter a group of foster parents for their recruits until they're finally ready for implants and early Scout training. The Mechanicus would probably be interested to know how such degradation of their geneseed has occurred so quickly. If the Raven Guard mutation "only" takes years to develop, while the Falcons are turning white in hours, that creates a concern. Why has their geneseed further mutated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekim_Trub Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 Thanks for taking an interest and replying Darrell. I had thought about using my Chaplains more as training instructors and mentors, rather than that of preacher. They will still follow the Imperial faith, just not to as high a level as most Chapters. What i had thought here was that the Chapter would possess a considerable number of Serfs to perform the day-to-day tasks for them, such as maintenance, cleaningm cooking etc. I am also thinking that most thse Serfs could be failed aspirants, that have been given the chance to continue in the service of the Chapter. I had not thought of that being so much of an issue until now. Originally it was added just to be different, and as it was never questioned i just ran with it. Once again, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekim_Trub Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 (edited) [color=#52545e http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/sm/bpe=52545E&bpj=52545E&bp=52545E&bpc=52545E&hdt=000000&hdm=000000&hdl=000000&ey=9D313A&er=000000&pi=52545E&nk=52545E&ch=52545E&eg=000000&sk=000000&abs=52545E&bt=52545E&cod=52545E&ull=52545E&lk=52545E&lll=52545E&lft=52545E&url=52545E&rk=52545E&lrl=52545E&rft=52545E&slt=52545E&sli=000000&srt=52545E&sri=000000&ula=52545E&lel=52545E&lla=52545E&lw=52545E&lh=52545E&ura=52545E&rel=52545E&rla=52545E&rw=52545E&rh=52545E&bg=FFFFFF&rb=000000&gr=52545e&grid=TRUE&wg=true&aq=true&ravenguardpad=FFFFFF&ti=FFFFFF&blt=000000&/spacemarine.jpg CHAPTER NAME: ..............SHADOW FALCONS.FOUNDING: .................. 5TH.CHAPTER WORLD: ............. NONE, FLEET BASED. CHAPTER OPERATES EXCLUSIVELY WITHIN SEGMENTUM PACIFICUS. FORTRESS MONASTERY: ........ THE UMBRA ADDITUM.GENE-SEED (PREDECESSOR): ... RAVEN GUARD.[THE REVILERS.]KNOWN DESCENDANTS: .........NONE."From the shadows of space we shall descend upon the Emperor's enemies, striking with both the speed and precision of the legendary Falcon. So, from this day forth, we shall be known as the Shadow Falcons!"Rhaego D'Ken, 1st Commander of the Shadow Falcons Raised as part of the Fifth Founding from the Revilers Chapter, the Shadow Falcons were created as a rapid strike force, tasked with protecting Segmentum Pacificus from Xenos ataacks and suppressing the numerous rebellions and uprisings occurring throughout the region.Originally led by the pragmatic Commander Rhaego D'Ken, formerly Captain of the Revilers Third Company, a man known for his vast strategic knowledge, superior marksmanship and expertise in air assault tactics. It was under his guidance and tutelage that the training cadre provided by the Revilers moulded this new Chapter into one of the Imperium's greatest spaceborne fighting forces.For six centuries Commander D'Ken led the Shadow Falcons from glory to glory, all the while laying down the foundations that has led to the Chapter to become specialists in air assault and urban warfare, before his death at the hands of the Ork Warboss Grotkicka during the defence of Sylvaan. As with almost all of the older Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes, the Shadow Falcons do not view the Emperor as a diety, but instead offer him due reverence as both the founder of the Imperium and as the master of mankind. His sons, the Primarchs, are also offered a level of reverence for the are regarded as the greatest heroes and generals in the history of mankind.The Shadow Falcons are also noted for being extremely Xenophobic, for they still adhere to the Great Crusade ideal that it is mankinds destiny to rule the Galaxy, and mankinds alone. In particular, the Chapter reserves a deep routed hatred for the Orks who over the millenia have robbed them of so many of their brethren.Although classed as a Codex Chapter, the Shadow Falcons do not view the Codex Astartes as a holy tome to be strictly adhered to, but instead as a guide to warfare open to both interpretation and expansion. This is a view that has led to some bad blood between themselves and those Chapters who stem from the geneseed of Roboute Guilliman, the Codex's author.It has also been noted that the Chapter views hours spent in prayer as time wasted, for it would be better spent in training or study. This is not to say the Shadow Falcons do not spend time in prayer, they just do not dwell to long on it, for it is their belief that the best way to pay homage to the leader of Man is to eradicate His enemies, just as they were created to do. The Shadow Falcons bear the geneseed of the Raven Guard Legion, taken from the gene-stocks of the Revilers Chapter. As such they too are affected by the mutations associated with the gene-legacy of Corax. Since their creation millenia ago, the Shadow Falcons have been based aboard their considerable Fleet, which is led by their vast and ancient flagship the Umbra Additum. Rumoured to date back to the time of the Great Crusade, the Umbra Additum is capable of housing the entire Chapter with ease if required, and houses a vast array of ship-to-ship weaponry but this comes at the expense of some of its bombardment cannons. The Shadow Falcons has stuck to their original orders from their Founding and operate solely within Segmentum Pacificus, however over the last millenium they have gravitated towards the outer reaches near the Halo Zone seemingly patrolling for some unseen threat from outwith the Imperium's boundaries. Due to being Fleet-based, the Chapter has no fixed genepool to recruit from, instead opting to recruit from wherever suitable recruits can be found throughout the Segmentum. Although no one type of world is favoured, a higher number of successful recruits have came from Feudal or Feral Worlds. Escorts to the Explorators Another role that the Chapter has performed over the millenia has been that of escort to the numerous Explorator Fleets of the Adeptus Mechanicus operating within Segmentum Pacificus. This has proven to be a mutually beneficial arrangement for both Factions, the Magos Explorators were able to search for lost tech without fear of attack, whilst the Shadow Falcons benefited from their expertise. This relationship has enabled the Chapter to have a high number of both mk7 and mk8 armour, and to possess 40 suits of TDA but greater than this is that they can now proudly claim to be able to exclusively field Contemptor-class Dreadnoughts as a reward for helping to secure a once lost Forge facility from the days of the Great Crusade. The Shadow Falcons follow the ten Company structure as laid down in the Codex Astartes, however they have deviated from it slightly in order to better suit their own needs. Each of the four Battle Companies now permanently possesses their own Scout Squad and their own Veteran Squad, thus enabling each Company to act as an indepedent Battleforce capable of operating independently without support for extended periods of time.The Scout Company also deviates from the Codex, for it is comprised not of Recuits as expected, but instead of specially trained Veterans who have shown a natural ability for stealth. This is because to the Shadow Falcons, the gathering of intel is vital to the success of their missions, so they find the idea of leaving such an important job to novices as absurd. Also of note is each of the four Battle Companies is permantly allocated their own Strike Cruiser, furthering their ability to act independantly from the rest of the Chapter and enabling them to react to threats without any hesitation. The Shadow Falcons do not utilise a battle-cry, but instead use a two-part motto; "Kill quick, Kill clean."The first spoken by the highest ranking Officer present, and the second by the assembled Battle Brothers. Edited October 26, 2011 by trub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekim_Trub Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 This is my continued attempt at completing my own IA, and i shall endeavour to write out the list parts as soon as i can manage. Please bear with me. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Solid restart there. Should you need any help these guides are great: Guide to DIYing The Octaguide 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKO Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 It is a great outline but that is the problem it is an outline. Why not turn the bullets into sentences and BAM, you have written IA sections instead of notes on your chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekim_Trub Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 I shall indeed turn it from an outline to something more substantial soon, but my internet is being very tempermental at the moment, and i have a very pregnant woman to run around after, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 He did say to bear with him ^_^ You could always write up the IA in Word or OpenOffice and then paste it all together whenever it suits you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekim_Trub Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 Done a little more with it, just a couple of sections left to expand. Hopefully get to that later tonight or in the next day or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKO Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Congrats on the baby and it is looking better already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekim_Trub Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 Cheers fella, i shall try and finish expanding out my other sections just now. Then it'll be time for the dreaded (but most welcome) critique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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