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From time to time I head that Great Crusade lasted about 200 years. Is it correct? More than that, Horus Heresy novels are describing time from Ullanor (where Sons of Horus got their new name) to Isvaan 3 as few decades. But according to timeline we can see in Codexes and Index Astartes - it was almost 900 years! You can see timeline I am talking about on lexicanum, and find official proofs in C:SM. Night Lords timeline shows similar story, it was about 2000 years from visiting Nostromo to Horus Heresy.

So, my question is: maybe I got something wrong? Maybe Horus Heresy novels are not showing exact timeline but rough abstraction? Maybe anybody can remember how old were Garro and Iacton Qruze?...

Edited by AekoldHelbrass, 17 February 2011 - 03:40 PM.

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I would say that the HH stories are the exact time line where as anything else might be either out of date or when the 41st millenium think it happened.

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Below is a section of a timeline I devised while reading the HH series using time scales given in the books. Excuse the spelling ;) big spoilers, if you don't want to know don't read. covers Ullanor to drop site.

988.000M31 Preparations for the Ullanor Campaign underway. The Emperor stands ready to lead the Luna Wolves and Ultramarines against the Ork Empire. The Thousand Sons and a contingent of Space wolves defeat a demon creature below the mountains of Aghoru
030.001M31 The thousand Sons arrive in the Ark Reach Cluster as the Space wolves and Word Bearers prepare to move on the capital world
271.001M31 The 670th expedition invades Nurth
516.001M31 A joint force of Word Bearers, Space Wolves and Thousand Sons complete the conquest of the Ark Reach Cluster
840.001M31 The Ullanor campaign reaches it's height, resulting in an Imperial victory/ Alpha Legion arrives at Nurth
0.002M31 The triumph at Ullanor, Primarchs Dorn, The Kharn, Angeron, Sanguninus, Horus, Magnus, Fulgrim, Lorgar and Mortarion attend./ The salamanders continue there campaign in the Karlor nebula
162.002M31 Thousand Sons gather at Hexium minor to resupply
324.002M31 The Alpha Legion and 670th arrive in orbit of 43 Hydra. The legion meet with the cabal. The first shots of the heresy are fired as the Legion warships Alpha and Bata wipe out the 670th expedition.
382.002M31 Rogal Dorn and a small group of Imperial fists attach themselves to the 63rd
632.002M31 Iron hands detect the fleet of the Disporax in imperial space and engage the in the Carollis system
0.003M31 63rd Expedition assaults 63/19
123.003M31 Blood Angels of the 140th Expedition begin assault on the world that will be named murder
c160.003M31 The Council of Nikaea Primarchs Magnus, Sangunius, Fulgrim, Mortarion, attend.

164.003M31 Battle of the Whisperheads undertaken by Luna Wolves 10th Company
167.003M31 Emperors Children assault 28/3
206.003M31 The Laer are completely annihilated by the Emperors children. The proudheart makes for the Satyr Lanxus Belt while the rest of the expedition heads for the Carollis system to aid the Iron Hands
213.003M31 The 28th expedition arrives in the Carollis system to join the iron hands
600.003M31 A demi chapter of Ultramarines defeat the Vektates of Arkenath free the human population from slavery
647.003M31 Emperors Children Battle Barge Proudheart arrives at murder to answer request for reinforcements
657.003M31 Elements of 63rd expedition led by the Vengeful Spirit arrive at Murder in response to requests for reinforcements
Erebus and a company of Word Bearers arrive at murder to petition the Warmaster
Elements of Alpha Legion arrive at murder to present Alpharius plans for a joint offensive. There true goal is unknown

157.004M31 Imperium achieves victory on Murder / first contact with the Interax
329.004M31 63rd Expedition arrives in Interax space
386.004M31 Talks with Interax collapse when Erebus steals a kinbranch Anathema / Erbrus requests the Warmaster travel to Davin

424.004M31 63rd arrives back in Imperial Space/ Isstvan system rebels against rule of the Emperor
443.004M31 63rd arrives in orbit of Davin
The 28th Expedition arrives in the Perdus anomaly a region comprising many eldar maiden worlds
457.004M31 Luna wolves and small word bearers contingent attack the renegade Tembra. Horus is wounded by the Anathema given to Tembra by Erebus

459.004M31 Horus interned in the Delphos on Davin /Magnus uses sorcery to try and contact Horus
483.004M31 Horus emerges from the Delphos healed of his wound
486.004M31 Magnus breaches the wards around the Emperors throne room to deliver a warning about Horus fall. Malcador dispatches Leman Russ to being Magnus back to terra
567.004M31 Wolf Lord Bulveye in command of the 954th completes the conquest of the Lammas sub sector
788.004M31 203rd and 63rd Expeditions begin assault on the Auretian Technocracy
972.004M31 The VI Legion (Space Wolves) Gather at Telkara in preparation for the assault on pusher
409.005M31 Fulgrim continues to wrestles with the demon that is slowly driving him insane
560.005M31 Fulgrim and the Emperors children rendezvous with Horus . Imperial forces breach the Iron citadel and defeat the Auretian Technocracy
Horus contacts Russ and reveal Magnus use of Sorcery, encouraging him to destroy Magnus.

568.005M31 Fulgrim departs 63rd to meet with Ferrus Magnus
Horus beguines deploying those legions that will no side with him to remote parts of the galaxy. The Blood Angels are ordered to the Signus cluster while the Ultra Marines are ordered to muster at Calth for a push into the Veridian system
643.005M31 Emperors children join the iron hands in the liberation of calends system
661.005M31 Fulgrim duals Ferrus Magnus and opens fire on the ships on the X legion, crippling the irons hands ability to make war.

c400.006M31 Sons of Horus, Death Guard, Word Easters and Emperors Children arrive in Isstvan system
Invasion of Isstvan III
Battle of the Choral City
The Heresy Begins with the bombing of Loyalist Astartes on Isstvan 3
The Eisenstein escapes from Isstvan to warn the Imperium
News of the Attack on Prospero reaches Horus
481.006M31 Fulgrim returns to the Warmaster to inform him of His failure with Ferrus Magnus what had been a few month travel for Fulgrim is the better part of a year in real space time.
Fulgrim begins the fortification of Isstvan V
Olympia is devastated by the Iron Warriors Legion
562.006M31 The remaining Loyalists are killed in a massive orbital bombardment
Horus issues the attack order for Calth. The furious Abyss is launched from the Thule ship yards to strike at the fleet orbiting Maccragge while most of the Word Bearers legion positions itself to take advantage of the chaos.

600.006M31 Humanities first technological step forward it thousands of years is achieved with the creation of the akeric reader
605.006M31 The death of innocence: Kelbor hel opens the vaults of Morvic and releases a corrupted code into the Martian information network destroying several forges and causing nearly a million casualties as well as cutting communications with Terra. Only the Magma city of Adapt zeth is spared.
643.006M31 The survivors of the Eisenstein and the Imperial fists Legion arrive at Terra with the news of Horus's rebellion/ Dorn issues orders to gather seven legions together to attack Horus's headquarters on Isstvan V
700.006M31 Civil war erupts on Mars as the Dark Machnaicum reveal themselves. A host of Warped Skitaii and a battle group of Titans from Legio Mortis assault the magma city, one of the few loyalist strongholds.
885.006M31 Bequa Kynska's Maraviglia is performed aboard the Pride of the Emperor. The survivors are given over wholly to Slannesh
c900.006M31 The drop site massacre/ Magnus the red contacts Horus offering his service.

Edited by isilvra, 18 February 2011 - 07:35 PM.


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It was a hard job I assume. Thank you! But Hell, why does GW keeps writing 125.M30 as renaming from Luna Wolves to Sons of Horus in every new Space Marines codex? And drop site massacre is about 013M31. That's the thing I can't understand - why can't they just choose one version and stick to it?
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That seems alright, of course you seem to be missing several dates. But then it may not be known.

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From time to time I head that Great Crusade lasted about 200 years. Is it correct? More than that, Horus Heresy novels are describing time from Ullanor (where Sons of Horus got their new name) to Isvaan 3 as few decades. But according to timeline we can see in Codexes and Index Astartes - it was almost 900 years! You can see timeline I am talking about on lexicanum, and find official proofs in C:SM. Night Lords timeline shows similar story, it was about 2000 years from visiting Nostromo to Horus Heresy.

So, my question is: maybe I got something wrong? Maybe Horus Heresy novels are not showing exact timeline but rough abstraction? Maybe anybody can remember how old were Garro and Iacton Qruze?...


I like to think of Index Astartes as accurate as well as the C:SM.
To have conquered so many worlds the Legions must have been fighting for more than 200 years.
2000 seems about right to me.
QUOTE (lee265 @ Feb 19 2011, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The problem with us is we don't understand the non-linear 8 dimensinal time GW uses for its timelines.

QUOTE (Heru2012 @ Nov 17 2011, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be fair, I'd much prefer to see old Sanguinius ripping the wings off the the big red punk, then maybe punching through his back, tearing out his spine predator style....not realising its just more skulls for the skull throne.


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The problem with us is we don't understand the non-linear 8 dimensinal time GW uses for its timelines.

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The problem with us is we don't understand the non-linear 8 dimensinal time GW uses for its timelines.


:lol: Sometimes I think that not everyone in GW understands it too.
As for me - they are establishing those timelines right now, writing Horus Heresy. It's main fluff engine. But Codexes are written by gaming guys, who are using simple copy-paste from older codexes, maybe going back down to Rugue Trader. That's why I prefer HH timeline as quoted by isilvra.

About conquering galaxy in 200 years... I don't know, keeping in mind more than 3000 of fleets and about 250 000 of Ultramarines only (took this number from topic next door), while 10 000 marines is more than enough to make any world compliant... 200 years believeable. Solar Macharius had only 1 fleet, still he did alot. Of course main reasoning is that 2000 years does not really fit into already established fluff, that's why I noticed it in the first place.

PS: maybe somebody from GW is reading this and can enlighten us which version to choose as "closer to true"?... But that's too good to be true.
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I'd love to see a proper timeline of when the primarchs were discovered and in what order.

I don't know if Black Library have an established time line in place or whether they just leave it up to the authors.

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I don't know if Black Library have an established time line in place or whether they just leave it up to the authors.


From some posts (or interviews?) of Mr. Aaron Dembski-Bowden it's clear that in Black Library they at least have "council" or something, where group of authors can discuss questions like this. You can find mentions in topic about visibility of Eye of Terror. I doubt something similar exists for background section in Codexes.
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The problem with us is we don't understand the non-linear 8 dimensinal time GW uses for its timelines.


:) Sometimes I think that not everyone in GW understands it too.
As for me - they are establishing those timelines right now, writing Horus Heresy. It's main fluff engine. But Codexes are written by gaming guys, who are using simple copy-paste from older codexes, maybe going back down to Rugue Trader. That's why I prefer HH timeline as quoted by isilvra.

About conquering galaxy in 200 years... I don't know, keeping in mind more than 3000 of fleets and about 250 000 of Ultramarines only (took this number from topic next door), while 10 000 marines is more than enough to make any world compliant... 200 years believeable. Solar Macharius had only 1 fleet, still he did alot. Of course main reasoning is that 2000 years does not really fit into already established fluff, that's why I noticed it in the first place.

PS: maybe somebody from GW is reading this and can enlighten us which version to choose as "closer to true"?... But that's too good to be true.


So its quite possible this is the reason why HH books have greatly inflated the number of marines in the legions then.
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