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[Ferrata]

Black Swans
Founded: 6th
Gene-seed: Ultramarine
Organisation: Codex
Combat Doctrine: Believe in the elegance of warfare, so enjoy doing heroic feats, fancy kills etc.
Major Conflicts:
Gained major fame in the Kuis Campaigns alongside Saint Petrok.
Defence against the Rigrot Waaagh!
The Retribution Crusade against the Rigrot Clan that would eventually lead to the destruction of the chapter.

This is all the "known" information about this chapter. We will be writing a Forgeworld style IA, so it can be much shorter and focus on the three Major Conflicts from their perspective. The Gene-Seed and Organisation are set, we could argue day and night about these details and we don't need to. The Doctrine was something I've added to start of a little bit about their character and this could be taken in many directions.

[exetus]

I was throwing together a preliminary star map for the Kuis Stretch that includes a possible homeworld for the Black Swans on a Death World called Anserine in the Coscoroba System that sits just a bit outside of the Kuis Stretch itself, but is readily close enough to assist. Let me know if that is even remotely applicable.

[Brother-Sergeant Bohemond]

Sounds cool, coscoroba sytem.

I agree with your assement on geneseed and doctrine.

Id like to advance a slavic theme for the names of characters

[Octavulg]

I'd lean away from a Slavic theme, due to the aforementioned Black Swans in the Balkan wars.

Von Rothbart and Von Schwarzfels, however, should probably make an appearance.

[Shinzaren]

I think perhaps a more Asian theme for the naming would work, though I suppose that's just me. I also think that the Black Swans need only be fleshed out through their interactions with the other chapters participating in their sections of the campaign. That way we avoid getting bogged down with creating a whole new IA, when all we really need is something to tie all our Chapters together and give them a reason to fight.

[Octavulg]

Takashi Von Rothbart sounds pretty awesome to me.

I think some kind of IA wouldn't be a bad thing, but I don't know that it needs to be that involved.

[exetus]

If we fully intend for this to be like a Forgeworld product, then we're going to have to give the Black Swans a full identity and IA, same as the chapters being involved. Much akin to GW embracing the Blood Ravens, we too will have to embrace this chapter and make it a community invention.

[Ecritter]

I was throwing together a preliminary star map for the Kuis Stretch that includes a possible homeworld for the Black Swans on a Death World called Anserine in the Coscoroba System that sits just a bit outside of the Kuis Stretch itself, but is readily close enough to assist. Let me know if that is even remotely applicable.

Problem with Coscoroba System. Kuis Campaign takes place in Ultima, Black Swans are in Tempestus and from the looks they are planning on using Coscoroba System as a jumping off point for Kuis Campaign in their section.

I am needing a map for Section 2b, which is the direct defense of the Black Swans' homeworld .... got any laying around?

[exetus]

Missed where the Black Swans were out of Tempestus and not Ultima since everyone was introducing them in Parrt 1. I could definitely throw one together for the defense of their homeworld and maybe Coscoroba is an established protectorate of the Swans from an earlier campaign? If not, we'll make the Coscoroba system home to a dead Chapter or whatnot. Any ideas on what you'd like for the Swans?

[Ecritter]

Missed where the Black Swans were out of Tempestus and not Ultima since everyone was introducing them in Parrt 1. I could definitely throw one together for the defense of their homeworld and maybe Coscoroba is an established protectorate of the Swans from an earlier campaign? If not, we'll make the Coscoroba system home to a dead Chapter or whatnot. Any ideas on what you'd like for the Swans?

Okay according to the guidelines we've been given:

Chapter 2-b: The Rigrot Waagh!
Location: Tempestus
An Orkwarlord, Rigrot, leads his clan, the Def Meks, across the numerous star systems, most notably the Kalil System were the Fortress-Monastery of the Black Swans Space Marine chapter. Unable to defend against the Orks, the Swans are forced to retreat to the fortress and call upon the assistance of ancient allies. The Orks are finally routed from the systems, but not before the Swans fortress is pillaged, taking the Banner of Petrok as their prize.

Since the Black Swans operate in both Tempestus and Ultima apparantly, I see them as being close to the border of the two. So I think the map should be in the hightlighted area below. It should include several systems including the Kalil System of the Black Swans.

[exetus]

Missed where the Black Swans were out of Tempestus and not Ultima since everyone was introducing them in Parrt 1. I could definitely throw one together for the defense of their homeworld and maybe Coscoroba is an established protectorate of the Swans from an earlier campaign? If not, we'll make the Coscoroba system home to a dead Chapter or whatnot. Any ideas on what you'd like for the Swans?

Okay according to the guidelines we've been given:

Chapter 2-b: The Rigrot Waagh!
Location: Tempestus
An Orkwarlord, Rigrot, leads his clan, the Def Meks, across the numerous star systems, most notably the Kalil System were the Fortress-Monastery of the Black Swans Space Marine chapter. Unable to defend against the Orks, the Swans are forced to retreat to the fortress and call upon the assistance of ancient allies. The Orks are finally routed from the systems, but not before the Swans fortress is pillaged, taking the Banner of Petrok as their prize.

Since the Black Swans operate in both Tempestus and Ultima apparantly, I see them as being close to the border of the two. So I think the map should be in the hightlighted area below. It should include several systems including the Kalil System of the Black Swans.

It's a little congested, but it could go between Rynn's World and Jurn on the Orion Arm. That puts them at threat from the Orks or Charadon, perhaps before the emergence of the Arch Arsonist. I could throw something for that together, so long as those running that portion of the campaign are cool with it.

[Ecritter]

It appears as if I'll be running 2b.

[exetus]

Tell me if this works for you.

[Ecritter]

I don't think they need to be that close to the border. Here is the combat zone I'm thinking about at the moment.



It's pretty open space, and gives us a lot to have to fight over. Plus it's close enough to Ultima for the BSs to send troops to Kuis for Section 1 Campaign.

[Octavulg]

That area seems a little crowded with things of import (the Crimson Fists and Bakka): what's it like a little further north?

EDIT: That, or we could zoom in further - that's still a pretty big area, after all.

Edited by Octavulg, 28 May 2011 - 09:11 PM.

[exetus]

My intent was between the 4,200 light year stretch of space of Jern and Rynn's World, which would give plenty of space from the Fists, but still close enough to be significant as a border Chapter that supports stuff in both segmentae. On my galactic map, it's around where the word "Segementum" is in "Segmentum Tempestus."

[Ecritter]

That area seems a little crowded with things of import (the Crimson Fists and Bakka): what's it like a little further north?

EDIT: That, or we could zoom in further - that's still a pretty big area, after all.

Further north it gets even more crowded ... suggestions? Zooming in may be better.

[Ecritter]

My intent was between the 4,200 light year stretch of space of Jern and Rynn's World, which would give plenty of space from the Fists, but still close enough to be significant as a border Chapter that supports stuff in both segmentae. On my galactic map, it's around where the word "Segementum" is in "Segmentum Tempestus."

The problem is that the map that has all the Liber Astartes Chapters on it (I don't have the link) has Jurn, Rynn's World and Bakka in different locations.

Edited by Ecritter, 28 May 2011 - 09:21 PM.

[Shinzaren]

What about more Southernly? Closer to the known edges of the Segmentum? That way the Swans could be isolated and destroyed a bit easier?

[exetus]

I guess that we need to determine which map is correct, then. I have used both the one I posted and the initial map you posted before. I have not seen the B&C Chapter map, which is interesting. So once we really determine what star chart is most correct, then we proceed with where people are going. I'm in the process of comparing the map I was using to the rule book. Sound reasonable?

[Octavulg]

The various 40K maps are virtually irreconcilable with each other. I mean, go for it, but you may not succeed.

The point I'd recommend would be at the intersection of a horizontal line from Pranagar and a vertical line from Moilor (or whatever the Warriors Eternal call their home world). Keeps us away from the Crimson Fists. Then we zoom in, hard.

Dear god, the community needs a good, consistent galaxy map. Add another project to my list, I guess.

[Ecritter]

Here is the map with all the IAs on it.

Liber Astartes Map

EDIT:

My suggestion for the sector containing Kalil System.



I can name/fill the systems however members desire.

Edited by Ecritter, 29 May 2011 - 03:17 AM.

[exetus]

The various 40K maps are virtually irreconcilable with each other. I mean, go for it, but you may not succeed.

The point I'd recommend would be at the intersection of a horizontal line from Pranagar and a vertical line from Moilor (or whatever the Warriors Eternal call their home world).

That's actually the exact spot I was referring to on my map, haha! I think that puts us close enough that the Black Swans would reasonably venture into another segmentum on a regular basis. Kalil itse'f doesn't have to be the cluster that I noted and the space that we are looking at on the Kuis Stretch can be as big or small as we need it to be. I'll pull Kalil farther away from the border between the segmentae, but still on the Kuis Stretch map. It's not much farther away, but some of the stars quasi lined up so I tried to take advantage of that.

Edited by exetus, 29 May 2011 - 01:40 PM.

[Ecritter]

The various 40K maps are virtually irreconcilable with each other. I mean, go for it, but you may not succeed.

The point I'd recommend would be at the intersection of a horizontal line from Pranagar and a vertical line from Moilor (or whatever the Warriors Eternal call their home world).

That's actually the exact spot I was referring to on my map, haha! I think that puts us close enough that the Black Swans would reasonably venture into another segmentum on a regular basis. Kalil itse'f doesn't have to be the cluster that I noted and the space that we are looking at on the Kuis Stretch can be as big or small as we need it to be. I'll pull Kalil farther away from the border between the segmentae, but still on the Kuis Stretch map. It's not much farther away, but some of the stars quasi lined up so I tried to take advantage of that.

Exetus, the new map I'm using did not get cut off your map. Its not on any larger map that I know of. Its going to be used to denoted an area much deeper in Tempestus.

[exetus]

Fair enough. I'll just remove the Swans from the area near the two sectors, then. The Kuis Stretch will stay on the western edge of the Sagittarius Arm, near Tempestus and We'll revert to using Coscoroba as a staging point only.