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Tyranid war veterans army - how to ?
#1
Posted 07 October 2011 - 06:30 AM

I thinking of making a tyranid war veterans army and need some advise to how to repesent them bedst. I want "Cassius" to lead them in to battle so it need to be based of codex spacemarine.
any suggestions ?
#2
Posted 07 October 2011 - 07:26 AM

I don't know after this though

#3
Posted 07 October 2011 - 07:52 AM

HI
I thinking of making a tyranid war veterans army and need some advise to how to repesent them bedst. I want "Cassius" to lead them in to battle so it need to be based of codex spacemarine.
any suggestions ?

The L bomb will be hitting this thread some time in Europe's morning....

#4
Posted 07 October 2011 - 09:17 AM

Heresy!!1I thinking of making a tyranid war veterans army and need some advise to how to repesent them bedst.
But yeah, "Sternguard Veterans" would seem like the way to go. There is nothing more to it, really.
#5
Posted 07 October 2011 - 09:54 AM

#6
Posted 07 October 2011 - 10:09 AM

Edited by Legatus, 07 October 2011 - 10:09 AM.
#7
Posted 07 October 2011 - 10:23 AM

From a hobby perspective you can do what you want. A full unit of hunters looks awesome (if you can source the models) and can really add a centre piece to your army. I only have a few of these models and I am running/theory a few lists at the moment with a similar intentions. I am making my hunters unit sergeants with combi flamers (armed the same as the great Cassius himself) So far so good. You can use any dex this way. You dont need sternguard.
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#8
Posted 07 October 2011 - 01:58 PM

Legatus hates kids and their newfangled toys on his lawn.
The Tyrannid War Veterans make perfect logical sense. The Codex Astartes was written to handle every type of enemy the author had ever encountered. The Tyranids are something he never considered as existing, so the Codex doesn't handle them very well. Rather than be as inflexible as many people seem to think they are, the Ultramarines decided to horde together their Chapter's Tyranid fighting experience and create units who could work together to master this new threat.
Once they've got the Tyranid fighting doctrine sorted out it'll get added to the Codex Astartes and they'll be completely "Codex" again.
Legatus also hates how they have markings of Tyranid skulls on their armor, as if that was somehow new. Space Wolves wear wolf pelts, Salamanders wear salamander skins, White Scars collect heads, Grey Knights have Daemons getting murdered on their banners, the Ultramarines Chapter Banner has a Genestealer getting shot in the face, the 3rd Company banner has a Genestealer with a sword through his face, but noooooo, the skull of a Tyranid Warrior with a sword through it is just TOO FAR!
*shrug*
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#9
Posted 07 October 2011 - 03:04 PM

That depends of what do you think of them: Marines that only fight tyranids and (for some people) cannot fight other forces or (in my case) just normal Veterans who have fighted more often the Tyrannids that any other treath and wear icons to tell "i´m dangerous, four-armed bastard".
Also, they are your minis so do what you want ;P
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#10
Posted 07 October 2011 - 03:15 PM

#11
Posted 07 October 2011 - 04:35 PM

I know, and I'm just messin with him. His utter opposition to new things is kinda funny.Ha but to be fair to Legatus, he wasn't actually being critical this time round and was fairly impartial in this topic, merely expressing why some people regard the War Vets as "uncool".
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#12
Posted 07 October 2011 - 04:46 PM

Wolves and Salamanders are revered totem animals of those Chapters, and are their chosen heraldic theme, expressing their nature. The same can certainly not be said about the Ultramarines and the Tyranids.Legatus also hates how they have markings of Tyranid skulls on their armor, as if that was somehow new. Space Wolves wear wolf pelts, Salamanders wear salamander skins
Banners depict a famous achievement or battle. Permanent armour decoration on the other hand sets the theme for the soldiers. Having a Tyranid being shot on a banner says "We fought the Tyranids that time". Tyranid decorations all over the armour says "Tyranid, Tyranids, all the way. Huaa!"Grey Knights have Daemons getting murdered on their banners, the Ultramarines Chapter Banner has a Genestealer getting shot in the face, the 3rd Company banner has a Genestealer with a sword through his face
And yes, I would say using a Tyranid head for a Crozius Arcanum definitely goes too far. Imagine the Imperialis (the winged skull, commonly used on chest plates, banner tops, etc.) using an Ork skull instead of a human skull. Or the Crux Terminatus with an Ork or Tyranid skull.
#13
Posted 07 October 2011 - 06:03 PM

Having it as an armor marking isn't any different than a campaign badge. They're Tyrannic War Veterans. It's their campaign badge.Wolves and Salamanders are revered totem animals of those Chapters, and are their chosen heraldic theme, expressing their nature. The same can certainly not be said about the Ultramarines and the Tyranids.Legatus also hates how they have markings of Tyranid skulls on their armor, as if that was somehow new. Space Wolves wear wolf pelts, Salamanders wear salamander skins
Banners depict a famous achievement or battle. Permanent armour decoration on the other hand sets the theme for the soldiers. Having a Tyranid being shot on a banner says "We fought the Tyranids that time". Tyranid decorations all over the armour says "Tyranid, Tyranids, all the way. Huaa!"Grey Knights have Daemons getting murdered on their banners, the Ultramarines Chapter Banner has a Genestealer getting shot in the face, the 3rd Company banner has a Genestealer with a sword through his face
And yes, I would say using a Tyranid head for a Crozius Arcanum definitely goes too far. Imagine the Imperialis (the winged skull, commonly used on chest plates, banner tops, etc.) using an Ork skull instead of a human skull. Or the Crux Terminatus with an Ork or Tyranid skull.
Having it as a Chaplain's Crozius....that'd be a bit far, but I think it's a mark of Cassius' personal dedication to killing the critters. He hates 'em, and he's gonna beat their faces in with their face.
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#14
Posted 09 October 2011 - 12:48 AM

After the lifting of the Siege of Terra, and the end of the Horus Heresy, Imperial forces set out to assault Chemos from orbit, intending to destroy the Emperor's Children's fortress-monastery and eradicate any trace of Chaos from the world. Following this action Chemos was quarantined by the Inquisition, and in the past ten millennia no further information, not even a record of Exterminatus, has appeared in Imperial databases regarding the world.
-- Index Astartes: Children of the Emperor
#15
Posted 09 October 2011 - 01:10 AM

Edit: Done.

(I used a different shot from Gran Torino, though. The hard shadow and straight frontal view of the one in the previous post kind of make it hard to work with.)
Edited by Legatus, 09 October 2011 - 02:28 AM.
#16
Posted 09 October 2011 - 03:14 AM

#17
Posted 09 October 2011 - 02:56 PM

Well, the current terminator librarian model has a horned human skull...sure that's part of the Librarian insignia, but still it tips more towards being daemonic than human, no?Or the Crux Terminatus with an Ork or Tyranid skull.
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#18
Posted 09 October 2011 - 04:30 PM

I always thinked that one of the ultramarines on the HH Collected Visions has the face of Clint, now i´m more sure


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#19
Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:54 PM

The 2nd Edition Codex Ultramarines hasd the horned skull as the symbol for Epistolaries. Of its meaning I have no clue. Though considering that a skull with wings is a common Astartes symbol, perhaps a skull with horns is meand more symbolic, and not simply as the skull of a horned creature. But then maybe it is, because an Epistolary has to overcome a servant of the dark gods as some kind of test? Who knows.Well, the current terminator librarian model has a horned human skull...sure that's part of the Librarian insignia, but still it tips more towards being daemonic than human, no?
#20
Posted 10 October 2011 - 09:55 AM

Edited by Megapope, 10 October 2011 - 10:00 AM.
#21
Posted 10 October 2011 - 01:09 PM

Essentially, those from Cassius new elite are the same Codex Marines who take extra training to be a considered a Tyranid Hunter. They are a political force more than a break from the Codex, which is why the Codex talks of Cassius' new specialisation as being "perhaps" a break in orthodoxy.
#22
Posted 10 October 2011 - 08:24 PM

What I don't get is why Cassius doesn't grant some sort of anti-Tyranid rule. I mean it's basically his whole theme. It wouldn't even have to be army-wide just something like Cantor's rule, but giving Sternguard preferred enemy: Tyranids instead of counting them as scoring units.
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#23
Posted 10 October 2011 - 10:37 PM

#24
Posted 11 October 2011 - 06:57 AM


It just makes me wonder that there's this SC whose whole shtick is fighting the Tyranids (to the extent that it's got Calgar wondering whether it's a good thing) hasn't got anything in his rules related to actually fighting Tyranids.
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#25
Posted 11 October 2011 - 07:53 AM
