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The Guilliman Heresy


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Hello all. Here is some alternate fluff of how the 40K universe could have been. Both the canon fluff and the Dornian Heresy fluff have been inspirations for my telling of the Guilliman Heresy.
Below is a framework in how many of the characters and groups in the 40K universe would be affected by this alternate reality.
Hope you enjoy reading it. Comments and feedback are welcome.
EDIT: All legions now accounted for!

WARHAMMER 40000: THE GUILLIMAN HERESY

Main Basics
- Horus never turned, thus the Horus Heresy does not happen.
- Guilliman turns to Chaos, becoming the Arch Traitor of the story.
- The Guilliman Heresy takes place in roughly the same time-frame as the Horus Heresy.
- Certain events are different than the canon, a few even taking place before the Guilliman Heresy.
- After the Emperor's placement on the Golden Throne, Horus becomes the Leader of the Imperium of Mankind.

Races
- Orks: nothing changed from canon.
- Eldar: nothing changed from canon.
- Dark Eldar: nothing changed from canon.
- Tau: Horus has Ultramar scoured of Guilliman's influence after the Heresy, leaving a vast majority of the Eastern Fringe empty, which eventually allows the Tau Empire to expand much further than before. They come into conflict with the Imperium often, but there have also been times when temporary alliances have been struck between the two, so that they can defeat a common enemy.
- Necrons: nothing changed from canon (they follow the way they are written about in Fifth Edition).
- Tyranids: somewhat changed from canon. As the Imperium is less fragmented than in the canon, it poses somewhat more of a threat to the Imperium. In response, the Tyranids have increased their efforts to destroy them.

Ultramarines
- Guilliman presents his Codex Astartes to the Emperor, but it is rejected and cited as dangerous and restrictive.
- Guilliman turns to Horus for support, but does not receive it. Horus agrees with the Emperor, adding that the adaptive strategies of Alpharius should be learned from instead.
- Guilliman returns to Macragge to brood in solitude, all the while building his dislike for his father and Warmaster Horus. In this seclusion, Chaos whispers to him the promises of power, control, and revenge. With his ego badly bruised, Guilliman all too easily accepts the offerings of Chaos.
- Guilliman's betrayal of Mankind to Chaos caught many off-guard, and he came far closer to victory.
- Guilliman's dislike of Alpharius (being elevated as the better strategist) and Horus (becoming Warmaster) were contributing factors in his corruption.
- The Codex Astartes is renamed Codex Chaotica, and even after the failure of the heresy, it is strictly followed.
- Post-Heresy, the Ultramarines are renamed the Omega Legion. They also blacken their armour and invert the omega symbol whilst joining it with a Chaos star.
- Marneus Calgar becomes Legion Commander of the Omega Legion, and Lord Ascendant of Chaos. He can use his terrifying influence to unite the other traitor legions if required.
- The Omega Legion now resides in the Eye of Terror, as do all of the traitor legions.

Alpha Legion
- Remain loyal, and truthfully, they never liked Guilliman and the Ultramarines that much anyway!
- Cabal prophecy is slightly different this time around. Regardless, Alpharius remains with the good guys.
- Was one of the legions present during the Siege of Terra.
- At a later date, when the Alpha Legion infiltrates the Omega Legion's base of operations, Alpharius is killed by Marneus Calgar...or so it would seem (remember, they're all Alpharius!).
- The legion maintains its adaptive battle strategies and omni-directional attack patterns after the heresy.

Blood Angels
- Knowing he would never turn willingly, Guilliman arranges an event to corrupt Sanguinius, similar to the one used to corrupt the Death Guard in the canon fluff.
- Trapped in the Warp, their Red Thirst and Black Rage flaws are twisted and amplified by Nurgle. This turns the once angelic marines into savage eaters of flesh and drinkers of blood.
- Sanguinius is warped beyond comprehension, his wings and flesh rotted to near-nothing.
- During the Istvaan V massacre, Sanguinius is killed by Angron, who cleaved his brother's head clean off with his giant chainaxe.
- The legion changed its scheme to that of the canon's Death Company.
- The Blood Angels are lead by Blood Lord Dante.

Word Bearers
- Follows canon events until Kor Phaeron and Erebus suggest that Lorgar worship Chaos. At this point, Lorgar flies into a rage at the notion of heresy by his trusted advisors, and attempts to kill them before they flee.
- Lorgar saves Horus from the Davinite plot, with help from Magnus and Horus' Mournival.
- Remorseful for almost losing his brother, Lorgar has his legion purged of religious thought and becomes a staunch advocate of the Imperial Truth.
- Civil War breaks out on Colchis, with supporters of both religion and atheism assaulting one another, resulting in the destruction of the legion's home-world.
- After relocating to another planet, Lorgar begins working on and eventually founding the Adeptus Atheistica, which is a direct-opposite of the Echlessiarchy in canon.
- Lorgar disappears sometime after the founding of the Adeptus Atheistica. It is believed by some within the legion that he is still feeling guilty over almost losing his brother, and the death of his father, and has gone on a solo-crusade to bring the Imperial Truth to the entire galaxy.

Space Wolves
- Leman Russ' corruption begins when the Council of Nikaea votes in favour of Psykers, enraging the Primarch.
- His hatred against Psykers is answered by Khorne.
- Although not directly allying with Guilliman, the Space Wolves use the Guilliman Heresy to attack Prospero, and destroy both Magnus and his Thousand Sons legion.
- In fear of losing the battle against Magnus, Leman Russ prays to Khorne, and is transformed into a daemonic werewolf, roughly the same size as Magnus.
- Leman Russ appears to slay Magnus, but not before Magnus sacrifices himself to banish Leman Russ and the Space Wolves from physical space.
- The legion is currently lead by Logan Grimnar, Skull Lord of Fenris.
- The legion has no Psykers, as Leman Russ had them all killed before his "death".
- The armour of the legion is now heavily stained with the blood of their victims, and decorated with skulls.

Thousand Sons
- Magnus remained loyal, and never damaged the Imperial Webway, as Horus never turned.
- He was heading for Terra to assist its forces against Guilliman, when he was alerted to an attack on Prospero by the Space Wolves.
- He fell in battle against a Khorne-powered Leman Russ, but managed to banish him and the Space Wolves before he succumbed to death.
- The legion is now lead by Ahriman.
- With almost all recruits having Psyker potential, the Thousand Sons train harder than other legions in the use and misuse of their powers.
- The librarians of the legion are known for crippling the physical prowess of their opponents.

Night Lords
- Konrad stays loyal, and never issued Exterminatus on his homeworld.
- With assistance from Horus, Konrad is able to restore order to Nostramo.
- After the Heresy, Nostramo comes under attack from the Raven Guard, and Konrad engages Corax, but is killed. However his death spurned his legion on to victory, driving the Raven Guard from their planet.
- The Night Lords still retain their use of terror tactics.
- The legion strongly believes in the protection of humanity and the annihilation of Chaos and those who consort with them.

Raven Guard
- Corax sided with Guilliman for unknown reasons.
- His legion was decimated during the Istvaan V massacre, and was forced to use forbidden genetics to rejuvenate its numbers.
- After several failures, Tzeentch answers Corax' pleas, and restores them all, but turns them into mutant "werebird" daemons.
- Corax himself is severely changed into a Daemon with large black talons and multiple wings.
- The legion operates under its own agenda, and often stalks its prey from the shadows.
- Corax assaults the Night Lords' homeworld and kills Konrad Curze, before being driven from the planet.
- At a later but unconfirmed date, Corax lead the Raven Guard against the Blood Angels. His existence after this shocking and gruesome battle is unknown.

Dark Angels
- Lion El'Jonson turns to Chaos, whilst Luther remains loyal.
- Although not truly certain, it is believed that the Lion was somehow corrupted during his absence from Caliban.
- When the Lion returned, he attacked his fellow Dark Angels, catching them by surprise.
- Luther confronts the Lion, and the two battle it out as they did in canon.
- Luther kills the Lion, but Caliban is then attacked by a Warpstorm, tearing it apart and sucking in everyone unprotected, including Luther.
- In the Warp, the souls of Luther and the Lion continue to wage eternal battle against one another.
- The Dark Angels are now split in two; the Redeemers who remained loyal are lead by Lord Cypher, and the Fallen Ones, lead by Azrael.
- The Fallen Ones worship Chaos as a pantheon. They also do not work with other traitor legions, and especially do not tolerate interference from Calgar and the Omega Legion.

War Hounds
- The legion keeps its original name and does not change it.
- Angron and his gladiator allies are assisted by the Emperor and the Custodes on his homeworld. When the world is saved from the oppressors, Angron pledges absolute loyalty to the Emperor of Mankind.
- The War Hounds become the shock troops of the Imperium, often deployed where others might fail.
- Psycho-surgery is stabilized and perfected post-heresy.
- Angron defeated his corrupted brother Sanguinius during the Istvaan V massacre.
- Angron was brought down during the First Battle of Armageddon by the Daemon Wolf Leman Russ.
- The legion is lead by Legion Commander Khârn, whom bears hatred towards the Space Wolves for the death of his Primarch.
- The legion has few Psykers, however those within the War Hounds use their powers to enhance their own physical attributes.

Luna Wolves
- Horus remains forever loyal, having been saved by Lorgar and Magnus from the Davinite cults.
- After the Emperor's passing, Horus is declared leader of the Imperium.
- One of Horus' first acts is to scour the Realm of Ultramar of Guilliman's influence.
- Horus never splits the legions up into chapters, as Guilliman did in canon.
- Under Horus' rule, organizations such as the Echlessiarchy are never created, as they directly oppose the Imperial Truth.
- The Luna Wolves become as large as the Ultramarines were in canon.
- With Horus ruling the Imperium, the legion itself is lead by Legion Commander Abaddon.

Emperor's Children
- Fulgrim declares Exterminatus on Laer instead of exploring the temple with the corrupt blade. Thus, Fulgrim never turns.
- Fulgrim confronted Guilliman on Terra. As Guilliman could not turn Fulgrim to his side, he killed him (as opposed to Horus killing Sanguinius in canon).
- The legion is now lead by Legion Commander Eidolon.
- Although Lucius does not turn to Chaos, he is killed at a later point by a Slaanesh-corrupted Jubal Khan of the White Scars.

White Scars
- Jaghatai Khan and his legion turned to Slaanesh worship at an unknown point before the Guilliman Heresy.
- They were recruited to Istvaan V, but kept their changed allegiance hidden until the last possible moment.
- They were the legion that caused the most loyalist casualties of the massacre.
- The White Scars take excessive pleasure in hunting down and torturing their prey.
- After the heresy, Jaghatai Khan is presumed to have gone after the Dark Eldar in the Webway, and bring their dark and depraved souls to his god.
- The legion is currently under command of Lord Jubal Khan, whose body has been fused to a daemon-enhanced Moondrakkan.

Iron Hands
- They remain loyal, or rather within the Imperium, until Ferrus Manus is told of Fulgrim's death at the hands of Guilliman.
- Ferrus Manus blames both sides for what happened to Fulgrim, swearing revenge against them all.
- At Ferrus Manus' instruction, the Iron Hands purge flesh from themselves and become almost akin to Necrons, thus no longer being considered human.
- They harvest technology of all sorts, even xenos technology.
- The legion is known for grafting weapons and armaments of all sorts onto their bodies, such as those from the Necron and Tau.
- Ferrus Manus' status and location are unknown.

Iron Warriors
- Perturabo remains loyal, and successfully puts down the rebellion on Olympia without resorting to genocide.
- They were on Terra during the heresy, tearing down the defences of the corrupted Imperial Fists.
- After the heresy, they were promoted by Horus to be the Praetorians of the Imperium.
- Perturabo was injured by Rogal Dorn during a post-heresy battle. Although not killed, he was interred inside a Primarch-sized Dreadnought, which would later by known as the Obliterator. The Obliterator can change weapons on the fly and is slightly larger than a canon Dreadknight.
- Their rivalry with the Imperial Fists continues to the present day.
- Perturabo is awakened to fight on Armageddon, where his nigh-invincible machine-form slays the Daemon Primarch Vulkan.

Imperial Fists
- The Pain Glove is presented to Rogal Dorn by Guilliman, whom intends to corrupt Dorn with the gift.
- Dorn and the Fists eventually become corrupted warriors of Chaos, their defences nigh-impregnable...
- ...until the Siege of Terra, when the Iron Warriors tear them down and cripple the Imperial Fists.
- The legion is later renamed the Fists of Darkness.
- Their colours change to rusty yellowish chrome.
- The legion worships Chaos as a pantheon.

Death Guard
- Mortarion remains loyal, and him and his legion fought against the traitors on Istvaan V.
- Their flagship is still sucked into the Warp.
- Typhus' treachery is discovered early when he tried to slay their flagship's navigators.
- Typhus escapes, but later resurfaces during the First War of Armageddon. It is here that Mortarion fights him, but is slain.
- Command of the legion then falls to Nathaniel Garro.
- The legion relocates from Barbarus to a fertile green world.

Salamanders
- Turned to Chaos for reasons unknown.
- Vulkan prayed to the Chaos pantheon and all of his nine artifacts were enhanced with Warp powers.
- The Salamanders, contrary to their fluff, now abhor humanity after the heresy, seeing themselves as vastly superior.
- The legion likes to bombard their targets with flame and melta weapons from orbit, before descending and mopping up what is left.
- Vulkan was slain on Armageddon by Perturabo, and his nine artifacts were scattered throughout the galaxy.
- The legion is currently under the command of High Sorceror Vel'cona, who delights in immolating those who displease or disobey him.

MORE TO COME, VERY SOON!!! :D

Edited by ShasVa, 12 January 2012 - 07:06 AM.


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I will keep an eye on this.

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How come the BA are identical to that of the Dornian Heresy. How come, no one ever thought to have them favor Khorne.. since both BA, and the WE were so simular in tactic in the imperial crusade. And to have the wolves turn to Khorne is just to easy, with and axe for an axe ;) , Why not have them march to the flies of nurgle... just my two cents. I like your ambition to start up another Alt Horus Heresy "what if's", but try something opposite of the already popular Dornian version. Plus if your creating your own you want to make it original not simular to something already written. I be better off to just read the Dorian version ( It took long enough, why start one simular). :)

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All'n all, pretty good, I'm looking forward to he fleshed out version. Just one question, ahhhh why are the Fists DEFENDING at Terra? Ae they preventing the big E from leavng?

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All'n all, pretty good, I'm looking forward to he fleshed out version. Just one question, ahhhh why are the Fists DEFENDING at Terra? Ae they preventing the big E from leavng?

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Dorn and the Fists set up a blockade on Terra, preventing outside help from getting in. Fortunately, Perturabo and the Iron Warriors smash through it. This is also why Dorn starts REALLY hating Perturabo; for smashing his greatest work (to date) to bits!

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Interesting idea, my one complaint is that some legions seem too similar to their counterparts from the Dornian Heresy( ie Blood Angels Space Wolves ect.) but still, you seem to have some quite original ideas here
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I like your ideas, but of course, I had to stop reading at "Lion El'Jonson turns to Chaos" in order to fire up my heavy flamer and instruct cell 42 to be prepared for a new induction ;)

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After flicking through some of the HH novels, I've realised that some of what I've written just plain wouldn't work.

For instance, it would be more befitting of the 40k atmosphere if Horus flatly refused Senjanus' (Erebus in reality) offer of "help" from Chaos, and just died as a result of his injuries. Lorgar would feel guilty that he couldn't save his brother from his treacherous adviser. Magnus could come close to saving Horus, but also fail, destroying the Davinite cult psychics in an instant of grief and rage. The Emperor would mourn the loss of his greatest son, and then have no problem dispatching Guilliman for his betrayal.

How is that??

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I'd like to give some reasoning behind Guillimans turning to chaos. Now as we know Horus was turned by a chaos cult on the moon of Davin. How about when Roboute's codex is rejected by the Emperor the council leaders (the ones who killed his farther on his home planet) organise a Julius Ceaser style betrayel in the senate halls of Mcgragge as they believe he is no longer fit to lead. Being heavily wounded and betrayed the council realise their folley as the Emperor would demmand blood for their betrayel. He is taken and certain black rights are inducted to keep him alive and correct their error, but when he is returned he is (as Horus was in the proper 40k universe) changed, he kills the opposing senators on the spot in cold blood and his title of ruler of Mcragge is now set in stone.

Add to this Roboute's now chaos fueled hatered of Hours in not being chosen to be the Warmaster (for his self imposed superiority of his brother) and add an unexpected ally (The Word Bearers Chaplain Erebus failing to turn Horus) Roboute and Erebus form a close brotherhood. Roboute accepts the aid of deamonic support and launches into his genocidal campaign to be the new ruler of man whilst supporting Erebus in his vision to pray to the gods of chaos.

Just ideas mind. If you have anythoughts on what you would like to see pm me and I can happily have a go at working other fluff angels ;)

(Just my two cents unless of course you want the Word Bearers to be Loyalist)

Also a reason Corax could of sided with Roboute could be related to when Corax served under Horus they never saw eye to eye, in the current 40k universe they nearly came to blows, how about in this 40k they did come to blows and Horus punched Corax in the head taking out one of his eyes. Now in relation to your theme of Tzeentch lets say Corax is framed and has his legion decimated by Horus (same way Magnus the Red was framed) but Roboute poisons Horus's mind after he was nearly turned to chaos by Erebus, saying Erebus was in league with Corax and his grand plans to over throw the imperium starting with the rebelion of Istvaan III resurgance.

Of course this is all a ploy by Tzeentch and Corax is left with no other option. He sides of with Guiliman and seeks refuge in Ultramarine controlled space. Corax is then so distraught over the loss of his legion and the betrayel he seeks knowledge to rebuild his legion...and Tzeentch speaks to him gifting him with the eye of chaos (a eye crafted from a black pearl with a with raven guard symbol on the front surrounded by the symbol of tzeentch replacing his lost eye,) thusly he learns of many ways to rebuild his legion and create all kinds of warriors to strike back at the imperium, and gifted with the eye of chaos he learns to master their physical mutations by turning them quite literally into living shadows.

Sorry if all thats come as a random blurb, have not had much sleep :)

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That actually sounds really cool!

I would want the Word Bearers to stay loyal, especially Lorgar. Erebus and Kor Phaeron however are still traitorous scumbags!

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I would want the Word Bearers to stay loyal, especially Lorgar. Erebus and Kor Phaeron however are still traitorous scumbags!


I have an idea on that - perhaps they could split the Legion (somewhat like what happened to the DA), so Roboute has half of Lorgar's legion and Lorgar has greater reason to label his brother a traitor and a heretic.

However, personally, I'd still like to see Lorgar fall (at a later point than in the true canon, giving him the opportunity to save Horus, first), by different circumstances of course, which gives Roboute a significant numerical boost. That could, say, free up some numbers so that the Blood Angels could stay loyal (I'm not keen on them going with Nurgle in this version as it is quite eloquently done in the Dornian version). If the BA stay loyal, Sanguinius could face off with Roboute and have events unfold from there. Maybe he falls and the BA of this reality are as cursed as in the true canon, or maybe he slays Roboute, earning the ire of the Ultramarines forevermore.

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I think the problem with arranging a Julius Caesar like betrayal is that it would be physically impossible. Julius Caesar was a man among men, and a knife or a dozen will end a man.

Guilliman is a Primarch, entities described as being to Space Marines what Space Marines are to mortal men. A Primarch can kill another Primarch. With heavy losses a Company of Space Marines could kill a Primarch. A bunch of unenhanced men though? No hope at all. You might as well try to stop an Abrams tank by throwing eggs at it. Guilliman would kill them all without even breaking a sweat.
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I think the problem with arranging a Julius Caesar like betrayal is that it would be physically impossible. Julius Caesar was a man among men, and a knife or a dozen will end a man.

Guilliman is a Primarch, entities described as being to Space Marines what Space Marines are to mortal men. A Primarch can kill another Primarch. With heavy losses a Company of Space Marines could kill a Primarch. A bunch of unenhanced men though? No hope at all. You might as well try to stop an Abrams tank by throwing eggs at it. Guilliman would kill them all without even breaking a sweat.


But what if they used bolt pistols instead of knifes and Guilliman was unarmoured?
If a hundred men all fire at the same time I think even a primarch would have a hard time dodging all the bolts.

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I think the problem with arranging a Julius Caesar like betrayal is that it would be physically impossible. Julius Caesar was a man among men, and a knife or a dozen will end a man.

Guilliman is a Primarch, entities described as being to Space Marines what Space Marines are to mortal men. A Primarch can kill another Primarch. With heavy losses a Company of Space Marines could kill a Primarch. A bunch of unenhanced men though? No hope at all. You might as well try to stop an Abrams tank by throwing eggs at it. Guilliman would kill them all without even breaking a sweat.


But what if they used bolt pistols instead of knifes and Guilliman was unarmoured?
If a hundred men all fire at the same time I think even a primarch would have a hard time dodging all the bolts.


If there's that many firiing, then yeah, RG's fairly screwed over. If we go with the more traditional view of about twenty or so Senators stabbing Caesar, then the odds look much better for RG, since it's established that even a normal Astartes can ignore chunks being blown off them in favour of killing all things heretical and xenos.

For evidence, look up the original IA article in White Dwarf where Alpharius met Horus. Despite the fact he's stated to be essentially unarmoured, he runs at Horus while taking bolter fire, and he gets at least one in the shoulder if I recall correctly.

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"Rogal Dorn allegedly died fighting onboard a Chaos Space Marine starship in the late 31st Millennium, after attacking the 1st Black Crusade's warfleet with a vastly outnumbered Imperial force. Seeing the importance of attacking the enemy fleet while they were still preparing to invade Imperial space, he relied on hit-and-run attacks until his reinforcements could arrive. Dorn was slain on board the Chaos Despoiler-class Battleship Sword of Sacrilege after leading a desperate attack on its bridge."
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If he really did go down, it sets the stage for a Primarch to be able to die in battle against less than a Primarch.

Kind of a sad end for a Primarch though, considering how uber-hard the fluff likes to make them out as most of the time otherwise.

But that said, clearly the fluff does like to over hype their abilites, and if a Marine can go down to massed normal Human foes, so too could a Primarch to the equivalent then.

Also, I kind of like the idea of a more ideal version of Horus taking death rather than an form of help from Chaos.

Although that does pretty well take him right out of the picture, but then again, if he did have any form of aid from Chaos, no way would the Emperor let that slide.

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Yes, with heavy losses a company of Space Marines (or Chaos Space Marines) could kill a Primarch. Even though Dorn was slain I seriously doubt the warriors who killed him did so easily or cheaply.
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Hello, folks! This is Cormac writing late October to edit this post from the beginning of the year. If you're reading this, likely you're a first time reader of the Guilliman Heresy. As you may have noticed, it has grown to be a monster of a thread. And one thing that's not immediately clear is that it has changed into something far, far more than what the first post illustrates. Many things are in fact totally opposite now, such as who is traitor and who remained loyal. As such, I'm going to be editing this, my first post of the thread, with more updated info. As the project begins to become finalized (though really, it's going to take a while before we're truly "done"), we have begun trawling the thread for every last tidbit of information for specific factions. Once they have been gathered up to the current point, the whole sum of fluff is posted in one gigantic post. I will be posting links to these posts so that those who are new may look upon them and see just how much has changed, and more easily understand where the project stands at the present. Each post has everything mentioned in this thread that relates to that faction. The parts in bold are the parts still considered 'true' and are collected at the bottom of each post in a "Current Information" section.

Note about Legion Names: Death Guard, Word Bearers, World Eaters and Ultramarines have been renamed, or reverted back, to Dusk Raiders, Imperial Heralds, War Hounds and Omega Legion, respectively.

Loyalist Legions:
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Imperial Heralds
Iron Warriors
Luther's Dark Angels
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Space Wolves
Thousand Sons
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Chaos Traitor Legions:
Blood Angels
Imperial Fists
Iron Hands
Omega Legion
Salamanders
The Lion's Dark Angels

Non-Chaos Traitor Legion:
White Scars


Seems kind of cool, though it reads a lot like Dornian Heresy with a different leader. I would recommend more distancing, like perhaps a new mixture of Loyalists/Traitors, instead of Aurelius' complete switch of all Loyalists are now Traitors, all Traitors are now Loyalists.

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Seems kind of cool, though it reads a lot like Dornian Heresy with a different leader. I would recommend more distancing, like perhaps a new mixture of Loyalists/Traitors, instead of Aurelius' complete switch of all Loyalists are now Traitors, all Traitors are now Loyalists.


This. I wouldn't mind seeing say, Angron still going nuts, since Guilliman could offer him the chance to take down the Emperor for essentially kidnapping him from his world, and Guilliman always seems like someone who is willing to push someone's buttons if it fits his strategy.

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Except...in my Guilliman Heresy, the Emperor does not "kidnap" Angron, but helps him overthrow the bad guys on his world!

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So... a good guy nutter, then. Bit like the Templars, or more sort of a Death Company fruit loop?
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Your heresy is a nice read, but did I get that right that the Imperium is still atheistic? What about the fact that faith is nearly the only thing to help against the whispers of Chaos? I always liked the bit in the canon heresy that the Lectitio Divinitatis, for which Lorgar is chastised, actually is one of the reasons why chaos has not yet won.

Or are you saying that people are having faith in the Imperial Truth? Is that even possible?

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Or are you saying that people are having faith in the Imperial Truth? Is that even possible?


Of course it can be!

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Or are you saying that people are having faith in the Imperial Truth? Is that even possible?


Of course it can be!


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Seems kind of cool, though it reads a lot like Dornian Heresy with a different leader. I would recommend more distancing, like perhaps a new mixture of Loyalists/Traitors, instead of Aurelius' complete switch of all Loyalists are now Traitors, all Traitors are now Loyalists.


I'm pretty much in the same boat.

With the exceptions of the Ultramarines and Word Bearers, this is basically a copy of the Dornian Heresy. ;)

Heck, the Iron Hands almost deviate from the DH, then suddenly snap back to taking the place of the Necrons - who you've admitted also still exist in your galaxy, making the transformation of the Iron Hands a bit less impactful.

Mix it up a bit! Why not have, I dunno, Khornate Death Guard, or Nurglish Iron Hands, or the Emperor's Children as a Chaos Undivided Legion?

Heck, why not have the Thousand Sons and the Space Wolves as allies (on either side)? :D

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Agreed. How about the much awaited Khornate Blood Angels (if they must be traitors)? ;)

Also,

Heck, why not have the Thousand Sons and the Space Wolves as allies (on either side)?


this is a great idea. Perhaps even ironic. :D
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