MordentHex Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 You know most of the monster battleships of WW2 had much more than that. None of them lived past the war but you get the idea. Your idea is practical So go with that. as to how tall it will be, i think as you progress you will find its going to be a little taller than that. What should be its real hight and what scale are you going for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 The book I have which covers all the Battleships/Battlecruisers from HMS Dreadnought to USS Alaska states The Iowa class battleship had a maximum belt thickness of 19" where as the Yamato had a 16" belt. I've seen on the net that the Iowa had a 12" thickness but that may be an average thickness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Your right i stand corrected. Although i could have sworn i watched a documentary on the bbc that said different. Probably them getting there facts wrong. Just goes to show dont get your historical facts from tv. :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 Your right i stand corrected. Although i could have sworn i watched a documentary on the bbc that said different. Probably them getting there facts wrong. Just goes to show dont get your historical facts from tv. :D I love the BBC, if you get a chance check out 'The Great Ship' one of the 8 great wonders of the industrial world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Great_Eastern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 10, 2012 Author Share Posted June 10, 2012 Back to more basic structures I should learn to accept Monsieur DS's plan and not make a fool of myself (at least not in print). I had to thicken the greaves armour another 3 millimeters as mine looked too thin. But I did manage to clean up the slope of the 'flying' greave segment so all the facets have a clean line. I should have the basic greaves done this evening. Then all that needs be accomplished is the detail which will make this rather plain structure more impressive. http://i.imgur.com/mEx0q.jpg http://i.imgur.com/mEx0ql.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hLEpn.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hLEpnl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Toddius Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Sir, you are crazy. But in a good way. :cuss This thread is a joy to read through. Scratch build models of this scale will earn you Huge respect points from me. Especially when its done well. Please keep going because this guy is going to be beyond epic when done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted June 11, 2012 Each greave has two large search lights on the flying portion both on the DS model and the Invictus rendering. I thought it would be nice to have them light up. I plan to do a lot of wiring on this model because I feel it will be worth it. http://i.imgur.com/wuHfF.jpg http://i.imgur.com/wuHfFl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zuKHc.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zuKHcl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 16, 2012 Author Share Posted June 16, 2012 Hmmm, have not posted for a week, this will never do. I got caught up in building the greaves and rather than post a half a--ed response I waited until I actually had something to show. First the diagonal toes, I was wondering how I would mount them that they could be movable. They needed to twist when the front and back toes were flexed so they could maintain contact with the ground as the foot lifts during the step. I woke up Wednesday with an epiphany* the solution was simplicity in itself; no wonder I couldn't think of it (I never do anything the easy way.) Anyway drilling 7/16 holes in the diagonal toe mounts and drilling 3/8 holes in the toes themselves, gluing in the respective tubes and letting the dry overnight I trimmed and sanded them today and walla the toes are mounted. Now for the kick in the a-- from the great equalizer in the sky, they can only twist a couple of degrees! HA! Oh well it's the exercise that counts. *Is that what they're calling it nowadays? http://i.imgur.com/1XR3O.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1XR3Ol.jpg On to the greaves: As they were when last presented they were too boxy looking IMHO and I thought the DS model looked a bit overly large and clumsy with those wide straight sided panels. I still will make the panels but slightly smaller and the flying portion is at a tighter angle to the leg. http://i.imgur.com/knCRu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/knCRul.jpg The greave base section is what is pictured today and I built battery boxes into them for 9 volt batteries. I'm not sure a switch will be necessary as the whole greave is easily removable and uncapping the battery requires but a few seconds. I can still install a switch if I find one small enough. http://i.imgur.com/CJKTy.jpg http://i.imgur.com/CJKTyl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ylmzp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ylmzpl.jpg The greave on the left is clamped because the battery compartment is glued in place and drying. Once assembled the box will slide on rails into the compartment and help center the leg to the greave along with rare earth magnets to hold the greave in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 What about heat from the small light bulbs? Will that damage the paint or the actual model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share Posted June 17, 2012 High intensity LEDS run cool to the touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share Posted June 17, 2012 Ah summer when young men's thoughts turn to something other than tiny anthropomorphic figurines................... meanwhile the Blackadder blunders on. This has been a very productive weekend having come close to completing the detail on the inner surface of the greaves replicating as closely as I could (because I changed the shape of the greaves a bit to suit my aesthetic sensibilities) the DS model. First the DS model for reference: http://i.imgur.com/lZOma.jpg http://i.imgur.com/lZOmal.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ARboG.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ARboGl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6Rawd.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6Rawdl.jpg I have a feeling I won't be seeing any more critiques on the legs being too thin; quite the reverse in fact considering that the hydraulics haven't been installed yet. I don't have any idea why so much electric conduit is needed for such basic structures; there must be a lot more than just armour plating going on in these greaves. Considering that these titans are millennia old I guess a lot of additional retrofitting has taken place as technology changes. Finding space for wiring and the like inside the structure isn't always practicable so running it outside may be the expedient way to go. Anyway the detail on the toes is next because if I don't do it now I may not after the superstructure is completed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Electro activated fiber bundles. Simply put electronic muscles. I imagine if they are carbon bases like some of the new technology being researched now they would be damn near indestructible, easy to grow and replace quickly. Also it would act as another layar of armor for the central support structure. Armor 14+ structure points for sure. With out this tech i do not think Titans would be possible even considering the outlandish minerals they use to make things in 40k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feuer_faust Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Impressive project! Keep up the good work, I cannot wait to see this thing in its full glory. Then comes the paint. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 The bloom is off the Tudor rose it would appear. The Blackadder has lost a lot of momentum judging by a cursory glance at the last few days effort but a closer examination will reveal a plethora of tiny detail on the toes all of which is time consuming. On the basic structure front I began the upper leg armour and was very surprised how small the actual size was. Granted they represent armour on the order of more than a meter thick and twelve th fifteen feet long but they do look small even to me. I was use to looking at the top image on my screen which made the part look huge. I was actually concerned I had enough plastic to construct them. As it turned out I constructed them out of the scrap box. http://i.imgur.com/ejWUT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ejWUTl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/fo1TS.jpg http://i.imgur.com/fo1TSl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzy-xc Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I'd imagine the exterrior electrical lines or whatever they are, could be part of the materials preservation. Creating an electrical field around the titan could ward off the degradation from atmosphere, humidity, etc... depending on what the material was. It could also be used for defense much like electrical fences to ensure infantry get a nice jolt when they try and climb up to a sensitive joint. I'd think it's have a more clever reason, like the electrical fields applied to merchant ships in ww2 that helped them avoid magnetic mines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share Posted June 24, 2012 Once again the devil is in the details. I spent this weekend producing what amounts to about twelve square inches of armour for a model that will have I figure about 500 to 600 square inches of highly detailed surface. And thats not counting the framework or interior detail plus the lighting and the fiber optics. It is highly satisfying to work on a model in this manner though. Were I to complete the basic structure and then attempt the intricate work I might be tempted to skimp on the finishing up; this way if I get lazy toward the end the huge blank surfaces will be readily apparent and that will never do so I shall be committed to keeping up the intensity of the intricacies. Perhaps "committed" applies in more ways than one. Anyway the thigh armour is more or less complete except for the bitz and the moss-like fuzzy that abounds on the DS model. I cannot figure out what that material is. http://i.imgur.com/kF0R7.jpg http://i.imgur.com/kF0R7l.jpg I it has a nurgle like quality to it that conveys great age and decay; could it be dryer lint? I must remember to save the lint the next time I do my underwear. http://i.imgur.com/GocUY.jp http://i.imgur.com/GocUYl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/fryYx.jpg http://i.imgur.com/fryYxl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/PVNmV.jpg http://i.imgur.com/PVNmVl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/NPpvn.jpg http://i.imgur.com/NPpvnl.jpg This is my favorite picture so far, It really conveys the scale of this thing. "Aye lads there's majesty for you." Ahab to his boat crew in pursuit of the white whale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adeptuscustodus Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Hi Blackadder, Don't think it's dryer lint, more probably some structured paint added here and there... Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I it has a nurgle like quality to it that conveys great age and decay; could it be dryer lint? I must remember to save the lint the next time I do my underwear. LOL just make sure it is not old dirty gamer underwear. I think its texture paint or sand but I dont think your going to have to worry about that for awhile if you which to copy that effect. you have plenty of other things to do before getting there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexCrute Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Mein Gott that assembled leg looks the business. Nothing quite as cool as an assembled leg early in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Really excellent work here! Inspiring. As for your mystery material, looks like polyfilla to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Time to assemble the whole and see where we stand: The upper thigh armour needs to be lengthened about a quarter of an inch but the hinge and plate should take care of that. The trailing legs don't have a large enough range of movement. The leg joint lock systems works well but the bolts still need to be concealed. The hip axles are way too thin in diameter but the length looks right. http://i.imgur.com/ikTXV.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ikTXVl.jpg The step dynamics look right in both the static and the step out pose http://i.imgur.com/51WPc.jpg http://i.imgur.com/51WPcl.jpg The front elevation while bland will convey the power of this brute. I may have to mount the greaves higher. http://i.imgur.com/4QfE2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/4QfE2l.jpg And I just love these low angle shots http://i.imgur.com/I0Er1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/I0Er1l.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexCrute Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 *paroxysms of apoplectic joy* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 And I just love these low angle shotshttp://i.imgur.com/I0Er1.jpg Thats what she said. :rolleyes: looking to cool man! Something this large you may want to invest in a base, it may help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 30, 2012 Author Share Posted June 30, 2012 I'm looking on this thread as more of a public service. While I can't hope to equal Mr Smith in originality I do hope to shed some light on how he accomplished his Magnum Opus with a few little Blackadderisms thrown in to keep my self respect. Today I worked on the massive block that supports the weight of the upper torso and transfers it to the legs. The pelvis is the de facto heart of this beast and many of the models I have examined it is usually much too small. We must assume this Titan masses on the order of a thousand metric tonnes at least half of which is above the waist block. There must be something substantial to support this mass and still provide the flexibility to achieve bipedal locomotion. Below is my interpretation which masses a third of a kilo already (about 11 ounces). I built it in two interlocking parts so I have access to the adjustment screws to change the pose. I figure when complete it will mass about half a kilo or thirteen ounces. That's a lot of plasticard. http://i.imgur.com/wzcVr.jpg http://i.imgur.com/wzcVrl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/28sm5.jpg http://i.imgur.com/28sm5l.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GQp3H.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GQp3Hl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted July 8, 2012 Author Share Posted July 8, 2012 Someone get the canvas jacket; ya know the one with the extra long sleeves. I was piddlin' around detailing the pelvis and I couldn't find a satisfactory Adeptus Mechanicus emblem so I decided to make one of my own, after all I mean how hard could it be. Well I have to tell you the cogged sprocket was tedious. If I do another one I'll make it in pieces. The plugs and wiring wasn't too bad I shaved down my smallest diameter rods to half round for the plugs and and used shavings for some of the smallest cables. http://i.imgur.com/8GNYJ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8GNYJl.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/GeFnF.jpg The skull wasn't that difficult at all. I first tried to make it of a single scrap of 2.0 MM sheet styrene but found the relief wasn't deep enough so I glued on another layer and carved away everything that didn't look like a skull. http://i.imgur.com/lzFAN.jpg Periodically I doused the sculpture down with thinset cement to soften the cuts and blend the seams. Right now I am waiting for the glue to dry so I can put on the final detailing. http://i.imgur.com/6wrIf.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6wrIfl.jpg Now I copied this off of "The city of the dead" emblem which I like better than the standard Adeptus Mechanicus emblem BTW it appears that the emblems can be mirror imaged, is that right? Anyway it took less time to make the tiny thing (It's only a centimeter wide the skull that is.) than it has to write this reply. I gotta learn to type someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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