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[SyNidus]

Hey guys, coming back after a long hiatus and i see the world has changed, 6ed is here.

So here's my list, i'd appreciate your thoughts on this list.

Shrike - 195
Epistolary - Force Weapon (Sword), Bio, Pyro, Telep, Telek, -150

Ironclad Dread - Seismic Hammer (meltagun), Dread Claw (Heavy Flamer), Assault Launchers
Drop Pod with Locator Beacon
-205

Tactical Squad - 10 Man - Meltagun, Multimelta, Power Axe, Plasma Pistol
Drop Pod with Locator Beacon
-250

Tactical Squad - 10 Man - Meltagun, Plasma Cannon, Power Axe, Plasma Pistol
Drop Pod with Locator Beacon
-255

Scout Squad - 5 Man - Snipers, Heavy Bolter, Camo Cloaks
-100

Vanguard Squad - 5 Man - Sgt w Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield, Van w Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield, 3 Plasma Pistols,

Jump Packs
-295

Stormtalon Gunship -TL-Lascannon, TL-Assault Cannon
-150

Stormtalon Gunship -TL-Lascannon, TL-Assault Cannon
-150

Total: 1750


Thank you

[Brother Grius]

Hey guys, coming back after a long hiatus and i see the world has changed, 6ed is here.

So here's my list, i'd appreciate your thoughts on this list.

Shrike - 195
Epistolary - Force Weapon (Sword), Bio, Pyro, Telep, Telek, -150

Ironclad Dread - Seismic Hammer (meltagun), Dread Claw (Heavy Flamer), Assault Launchers
Drop Pod with Locator Beacon
-205

Tactical Squad - 10 Man - Meltagun, Multimelta, Power Axe, Plasma Pistol
Drop Pod with Locator Beacon
-250

Tactical Squad - 10 Man - Meltagun, Plasma Cannon, Power Axe, Plasma Pistol
Drop Pod with Locator Beacon
-255

Scout Squad - 5 Man - Snipers, Heavy Bolter, Camo Cloaks
-100

Vanguard Squad - 5 Man - Sgt w Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield, Van w Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield, 3 Plasma Pistols,

Jump Packs
-295

Stormtalon Gunship -TL-Lascannon, TL-Assault Cannon
-150

Stormtalon Gunship -TL-Lascannon, TL-Assault Cannon
-150

Total: 1750


Thank you

I like it. How did it work out for you?

[D3STROY3R]

I do like the theme a good deal. Shrike is so so so much better in 6th with rending.

Other than the vanguard vets, I don't see any real heavy hitters though and 5 power armor guys are just that at the end of the day. Personally I'd probably run melta bombs and leave it at that, for nearly the same points you could have 10 hammernators and they'd be plenty nasty infiltrated by shrike, turn one assault or not. Either way shrikes fleet rules are amazing and really make the army great at assaulting.

So despite not being able to be in combat turn 1, I highly recommend hammernators, more survivable, more points efficient. And if you play the terrain guide in the book right the tables are actually pretty terrain dense. I wouldn't be surprised if you frequently saw turn one assaults.

Tac squads have a mix of different things all so so, not enough volume of fire to be reliable, shooting not made up for elsewhere... etc etc see where I'm going? I'd really like to see a quad plas cmd squad attached to that epistolary dropping prescience.

Ironclad.... hmm... it's good but I'll put this in a xenos perspective for you. I mainly play dark eldar. You pod next to a raider full of wyches, you don't have vulkan, so straight up 33% chance you miss. 16% more chance of nothing. Then an additional 33% chance of nothing from flickerfield or jink and jink could actually be a 50% save. Now assault you with haywires either way he's a waste of points. Take it from someone who has 25+ s8 ap2 guns on average, one doesn't go very far at all. I'd really recommend converting him to a rifleman and dropping something else.

[D3STROY3R]

I do like the theme a good deal. Shrike is so so so much better in 6th with rending.

Other than the vanguard vets, I don't see any real heavy hitters though and 5 power armor guys are just that at the end of the day. Personally I'd probably run melta bombs and leave it at that, for nearly the same points you could have 10 hammernators and they'd be plenty nasty infiltrated by shrike, turn one assault or not. Either way shrikes fleet rules are amazing and really make the army great at assaulting.

So despite not being able to be in combat turn 1, I highly recommend hammernators, more survivable, more points efficient. And if you play the terrain guide in the book right the tables are actually pretty terrain dense. I wouldn't be surprised if you frequently saw turn one assaults.

Tac squads have a mix of different things all so so, not enough volume of fire to be reliable, shooting not made up for elsewhere... etc etc see where I'm going? I'd really like to see a quad plas cmd squad attached to that epistolary dropping prescience.

Ironclad.... hmm... it's good but I'll put this in a xenos perspective for you. I mainly play dark eldar. You pod next to a raider full of wyches, you don't have vulkan, so straight up 33% chance you miss. 16% more chance of nothing. Then an additional 33% chance of nothing from flickerfield or jink and jink could actually be a 50% save. Now assault you with haywires either way he's a waste of points. Take it from someone who has 25+ s8 ap2 guns on average, one doesn't go very far at all. I'd really recommend converting him to a rifleman and dropping something else.

[Squirrel]

not enough ground units, for a reason of very expensive models.

vanguard are attrocious for what they accomplish, they still only have 3+ saves and are just 5 models. they often make for a nice speed bump, but wouldnt tool them anywhere near that level. maybe 2-3 storm shields, and a powerfist (at most).

choose just 1 HQ. (strike has no place to go, as i assume vanguards are deepstriking (else why i have all those homers).)

shrike is very useful in this addition, fleet is extremely powerful, but i dont think this list does not utilize that at all, so id second guess taking him at all.

[Brom MKIV]

shrike is very useful in this addition, fleet is extremely powerful, but i dont think this list does not utilize that at all, so id second guess taking him at all.

Not to derail but would you mind elaborating here or posting your thoughts in my thread, or both? I felt very well versed with shrike last edition but I dont have my rulebook yet so im struggling to come to terms with all the changes until it arrives next week.

Edited by Brom MKIV, 27 August 2012 - 02:55 AM.

[D3STROY3R]

shrike is very useful in this addition, fleet is extremely powerful, but i dont think this list does not utilize that at all, so id second guess taking him at all.

Not to derail but would you mind elaborating here or posting your thoughts in my thread, or both? I felt very well versed with shrike last edition but I dont have my rulebook yet so im struggling to come to terms with all the changes until it arrives next week.

It's true this isn't a heavy heavy assault based army, but if you don't rely on combat tactics, and really want to get those terminators or vanguard vets in assault and not have them sitting there just looking at a fire dragon squad, it may be worth it. Unfortunately we can't take assault squads as troops, so shrikes chapter tactics will always have limited usage compared to if it were in another dex.

[Paulochromis]

What are your StormTalons escorting?
Shrike's Fleet is awesome for JP-equipped marines, you need to find a way to get more in.
Maybe swap a talon+vanguard for 2 assault marine squads?
Or both talons+vanguard for 2 assault marine squads and 2 landspeeders?

[Brom MKIV]

I like the list although im not sure im sold on shrike being better now, I just dont see it but maybe im just jaded over the changes from last edition to my favorite playstyle. Also how is fleeting awesome for jp marines when they already reroll charge dice vs getting to reroll individual charge dice (pretty small benny). Anyway ive played quite a few games with a similar list in last edition (none in 6th) so heres some thoughts fwiw:


Shrike/Epistolary
I agree with above poster that shrike needs to be enabling something scary. My lists went from friendly to decently competitive once I went this direction. I usually opt for 8-10 hammernators although now im toying with 10 tactical termies for a shooting alphastrike since we can no longer assault t1. Heres another idea though, ally with BAs. This allows you to take a BA libby with arguably better psych powers and more importantly a scoring jump squad with access to FNP and melta! Huzza..

Ironclad Dread
My favorite and most successful list ran dual ironclads and they absolutely rocked when dropped in alongside 8-10 hammernators. Anyway this is one of the few cases where I actually like the idea of hunter killer missiles due to cracking side/rear armour upon arrival. Might not be as worthwhile this edition, still yet to be seen I suppose. Either way av13 is more relevant now due to grenades. The other alternative I find attractive right now is a pair of rifleman dreads although they wont put the same pressure in your opponents DZ.

Tactical Squads
Not that experienced with tacs tbh but they seem to have increased in value, slightly. In the past I would advocate for scouts over tacs anyday but now the lines have blurred somewhat with reduced cover and rapid fire. It still doesnt change the fact that bolters dont kill marines though. I would consider losing one of these for a second sniper squad and put the remaining pts towards more killy stuff, but thats just me. Again im not that sure if tacs are more than just a tax but if you have good results keep em.

Scout Squad
Looks good from here, again id like a second unit.

Vanguard Squad
Ive been a fan of these guys in blood angels due to their more accurate intervention rules and now ours are much better with 3+ reserves and rerolling charge distance for jps (which now equals potential scatter) meaning you have a much better chance of both arriving and completing a charge on arrival. That being said ive used shrike with them in the past and I just wasnt impressed for the points.
Heres some options: If really set on using these guys keep em simple and cheap as possible to HI them into devs and such, im talking 5-6 plus a few pws, maybe a storm shield. Otherwise just avoid them. The other (likely better) options are to replace these with termies or scoring BAs jump squad with priest and melta. Sure they dont benefit from fleeting but the difference is neglegible and shrike can still infiltrate them if you want (no charges kinda ruins this but whatev).

Stormtalon Gunship
Im intrigued by these, are they really that necessary now? I see the advantage against flyers but unless your area is saturated with flyers I might consider changing one or both of these into a few typhoon landspeeders, pt for pt more efficient hvy weapons platforms.

Just for comparisons sake:
your VV squad + epistolary = 6 bodies at 445 pts
vs.
Allied BAs- jp libby + jp priest + 10 jump squad 2 mgs, storm shield = 12 FC/FNP scoring bodies at 480 pts

Thats a little closer to what shrikes wing should be. Also if you do decide to try the allies out I would so want to include a baal predator! Perfect unit for an army like ravenguard man and better than a podded dread id say. Anyway just a thought, now im off to brainstorm baal preds in my ravenguard.

Edit- one last, far more radical idea, after browsing the faq just to make sure it seems shrike is able to join and infiltrate a unit of....death company.

Edited by Brom MKIV, 29 August 2012 - 07:42 PM.