Legions without Destroyer marines

[Visitor13]

Is there info on which Legions do not use Destroyer marines?

[Emperor's Furor]

I'd expect the more honorable legions wouldn't use them, such as the Imperial Fists, Ultramarines, Blood Angels etc.

[Olis]

Not yet, no. In the unit entry it states that some Legions eschewed them or used them very little as they were considered dishonourable, I'd be inclined to guess which Legions this statement means. The White Scars might not use them, I'd think, based on the 'honourable' part of the entry and the same might go for the Imperial Fists. Maybe. These are just pure speculation.

[Visitor13]

I wonder what 'dishonourable' means here. Too destructive (Sallies/Blood Angels/Ultras?) ? Too crude (Thousand Sons/Emperor's Children?) ? Too loud (Raven Guard?) ?

 

Do the Emperor's Children use them?

[Marshal Rohr]

All legions would have used some form of them.

[Olis]

I wonder what 'dishonourable' means here. Too destructive (Sallies/Blood Angels/Ultras?) ? Too crude (Thousand Sons/Emperor's Children?) ? Too loud (Raven Guard?) ?

 

Do the Emperor's Children use them?

 

I would think it a similar attitude to modern contemporary thoughts on the use of nuclear or chemical weapons. Why poison or irradiate what you're fighting for?

[Visitor13]

I wonder what 'dishonourable' means here. Too destructive (Sallies/Blood Angels/Ultras?) ? Too crude (Thousand Sons/Emperor's Children?) ? Too loud (Raven Guard?) ?

 

Do the Emperor's Children use them?

 

I would think it a similar attitude to modern contemporary thoughts on the use of nuclear or chemical weapons. Why poison or irradiate what you're fighting for?

 

'Too destructive' then.

 

@ Marshal - all legions would have had such weapons at their disposal just in case, so much is true, but not Destroyer marines proper.

[SillyDreadnought]

If we go by the standardised approach the Legions had during the Extra-Solar expansion ( the Sol system fighting ) then yes, every legion would have had a Destroyer Cadre within it's ranks. As the Primarchs were found, the Legions expanded and logistic chains became longer and longer, as well as cultural influences from the Legions new homeworlds, the number of Destroyer Cadres would have either grown or shrunk accordingly. The World Eaters were notable for having Destroyers, as were the Death Guard. A logical supposition would include the Night Lords, Iron Warriors and possibly the Dark Angels among the unmentioned Legions who would have such units.

 

The Sons of Horus and Ultramarines, being tactically flexible in their layout, would likely have had small numbers of each specialist unit, be they Seeker squads, Destroyer cadres and other rarer formations like Assault Squads or Recon Squads.

 

 

So the only good answer to this question would be 'Depends on the Legion', which is entirely too vauge. I'd narrow it down to 'Depends on if you like the squad or not'. It's entirely plausible that every legion maintained Destroyers, much like how every Legion bar the Space Wolves maintained a Librarius detachment for a time.

[Kol Saresk]

It's nuclear warfare toned to the scale of chemical and biological warfare that the Geneva protocol bans. It'd be dishonorable because it doesn't not offer a swift death and there is there the possibility someone can survive it to only become crippled beyond belief. Basically, it's "inhumane". Also, according to Betrayer, it even slowly kills the Astartes who are in the Destroyer squads, so that is probably another reason why some Legions look down on it, although who those Legions are and whether or not looking down on it means they chose not to have the Destroyer cadre, I do not know.

[Visitor13]

It'll be interesting to see if any of the Traitor Legions will be among those who eschewed the use of Destroyer squads.

[Onisuzume]

A logical supposition would include the Night Lords, Iron Warriors and possibly the Dark Angels among the unmentioned Legions who would have such units.

 

The Sons of Horus and Ultramarines, being tactically flexible in their layout, would likely have had small numbers of each specialist unit, be they Seeker squads, Destroyer cadres and other rarer formations like Assault Squads or Recon Squads.

Who is to say that some legions wouldn't have them on an ad hoc basis?

And personally, I can't think of a reason why the Dark Angels wouldn't have them.

Tactical and strategic superiority is one of our defining attributes, after all.

One of the reasons why the First managed to rake in more victories than any other legion save the Luna Wolves.

[spu00sed]

For my Emperor's Children I have taken the approach that being a destroyer is a punishment.

 

Their armour will be dirty and technology won't work well, doesn't seem to fit in with the pretty boy marines style.

 

I have also emphasised the idea of punishment but not modelling them with the palatine Aquila.

 

Of course this is all my own interpretation of how destroyers would be used by the EC.

[Kol Saresk]

And cue Legatus in 3...2...1...

[Visitor13]

So the EC do make regular use of Destroyers?

[Kol Saresk]

So the EC do make regular use of Destroyers?

It's unconfirmed. Technically it isn't even confirmed if the World Eaters make extensive use of the Destroyers, just that there is a squad led by a sergeant named Skane.

[SillyDreadnought]

So the EC do make regular use of Destroyers?

It's unconfirmed. Technically it isn't even confirmed if the World Eaters make extensive use of the Destroyers, just that there is a squad led by a sergeant named Skane.

 

And a uniform depiction in HH: Betrayal.

[Kol Saresk]

So the EC do make regular use of Destroyers?

It's unconfirmed. Technically it isn't even confirmed if the World Eaters make extensive use of the Destroyers, just that there is a squad led by a sergeant named Skane.

 

And a uniform depiction in HH: Betrayal.

Yeah that still doesn't mean extensive use. Just that they are separated from everyone else by virtue of wearing black armor.

[Count the7]

So the EC do make regular use of Destroyers?

It's unconfirmed. Technically it isn't even confirmed if the World Eaters make extensive use of the Destroyers, just that there is a squad led by a sergeant named Skane.

 

And a uniform depiction in HH: Betrayal.

Yeah that still doesn't mean extensive use. Just that they are separated from everyone else by virtue of wearing black armor.

 

He is not in Black armour, his armour is Rad Scorched by the Weapons he uses the Armour is probably kept in such a state as a badge of Honour.

 

Morterg the Death Guard was asigned to the Legion Destroyer Battalion beacuse Mortarion wanted to get rid of a Librearian who previously held rank as a Leuitenant

[Kol Saresk]

Nowhere did I say it was black from any other reason. But it's still black from the weapons and since Destroyers are the only ones to regularly use rad weapons, it means they are pretty much likely to be the only ones wearing black in a Legion with a white color scheme. And since only the Destroyers wear black, that means the black armor is uniform amongst the Destroyers, as shown in this lovely outtake from Forgeworld's Betrayal.

 

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f262/SGM-Daly91/Warhammer%2040K/Pre-HeresyWE_Destroyerblack.jpg

[Count the7]

Point conceeded that they are "Black" Though use of Rad weapons though if i were to Field destroyers i would probably paint them in Legion colours then use layers of weathering powder to blacken the armour rather than paint it black.

 

How ever some Legions in white armour did paint elites Black such as the Luna Wolves first Company under Abadon.

[spu00sed]

Point conceeded that they are "Black" Though use of Rad weapons though if i were to Field destroyers i would probably paint them in Legion colours then use layers of weathering powder to blacken the armour rather than paint it black.

 

How ever some Legions in white armour did paint elites Black such as the Luna Wolves first Company under Abadon.

 

 

I'm going the same route.

 

Legion colour

Lots of chipping

Black wash

 

Try to figure out how to use black weathering powder on them

[Lord_Caerolion]

Actually, I can see the Salamanders using some Destroyer squads, given the image Vulkan wants to give of the Legion, in that while he himself is humane, he understands that his purpose is to be a weapon, and so makes his Legion terrifying. I can't see him making wide-spread use of them, but I don't see him turning such a weapon down.

[Sons of Horus]

I think rad weapons would fit the Salamanders pretty well.

[Emperor's Furor]

I'm not so sure, Vulkan loved his men, and he cared for civilians etc so Rad weapons may be a bit to unwieldy and put his men and civilians at risk.

[Lord_Caerolion]

I'm not so sure, Vulkan loved his men, and he cared for civilians etc so Rad weapons may be a bit to unwieldy and put his men and civilians at risk.

 

Yes, but he didn't want to be seen as humane. He wanted his legion to be seen as terrifying, not kind. As such, I doubt he completely held back on Destroyer squads. However, what squads they did have I can see being equipped with far higher quality armour to protect them from the radiation, and equipped with rad weapons that minimise the long-term effects.

So no Destroyer squads being used indiscriminitely to lay waste to the enemy, only to destroy hard-to-kill enemies that the normal weapons would struggle against.