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Mods, not sure if I'm allowed to post this... scanned the rules couldn't tell. But how large are ships in 40 k compared to say, Star wars. I found this, but was wondering its accuracy.

 

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Not too far off, but just as a note - the tyrant class cruiser is still relatively small as 40k capitol ships go. In terms of class, the Mars or the Overlord are more in the Enterprise D's range.


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meh, me and a few mates have always felt that the Galaxy class was simply an overdone, inefficient ship that simply could not function as well in combat situations to previous class's, felling more like a liner than a ship of war/science.



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also the galaxy class is a stupid design, massively vulnerable to damage as there is no structure to absorb any damage. if you look at all the others there they have a massive amount of metal to absorb any damage coming their way before any key systems are at risk

 

and yeah a cruiser is a mid range ship in imperial terms, sort of a demi capital ship. in 40k i think you have battleships which are the true capital ships, then grand cruisers, cruisers which are the more common of the 3 big ship categories, then destroyers and frigates which are of vaguely similar draft, and various other categories below that right down to things like gunships. that doesn't count any of the space marine ships which are a bit different.

 

i think one of the best ways to compare is crew size, take the galaxy class, a crew of a few hundred maybe? compared to the tyrant which probably has a crew of what, 10000 at least? if someone could give real numbers that would be great, im just guessing based of what i heave read in the 40k books, and i honestly have no idea for any other universe ships


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More than that, considering both the size difference in the ships, plus the fact that the Imperial Navy still uses vast amounts of press gang labour crammed together like rats in the depths of the hull. So, hundreds of thousands is more accurate, even millions for larger vessels. Its essentially a small hive in space, with all the inequality and squalor that Imperial society is shot through with. The captains and officers lounge in quarters and staterooms hundreds of metres in length, while below the gun caverns 10 men fit into a single bunkroom with a shared chemical toilet.


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40K ships range from about 1KM long escorts to possibly over 100KM long (Yes, 100KM), while most other universes work on a totally different scale. Imperial Super Star Destroyers (SW) are bigger than most vessels in 40K



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I think that chart is about right. Crew numbers would be HUGE, 1,000 or even 10,000 would be massive under estimates.

 

Take for comparison a real world modern super carrier like the US Nimitz class which can be about 1/3rd km in length and have a crew of about 5,000. The Imperial Tyrant class cruiser shown is approximately fifteen times the length of this. Now, accounting for the fact that vessels are 3 dimensional and assuming that the cross height/width/length proportions are crudely similar between the space ship and the real world ship this means that the volume of the Tyrant is about 15 x 15 x 15 = 3,375 times the Nimitz.

 

Scaling crew accordingly suggests about 17 million crewmembers. Now depending on the amount of space taken up by massive reactors/warp drives etc versus the Imperium's complete disregard for humane conditions for its crew you have to allow a huge margin of error on this but it gives you an idea of scale. You also have the question of the split between human crew and servitors but it gives a rough idea of the order of magnitude.


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i think one of the best ways to compare is crew size, take the galaxy class, a crew of a few hundred maybe?

Galaxy-class usually has ~1000 crew. While it's such a tiny ship compared to many others on that list, even so 1000 crew isn't much for a 600m-long ship, even a "slim" one.

I wonder how large the Phalanx is. There don't seem to be any real measurements for it. But it ought to be absolutely huge.

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Yeah, I like the idea of millions of crewmembers as a norm. Also imagined battleships as larger than super star destroyers, but thats just cause I have a bias towards 40k - seems that its the universe that thematically deserves to have the largest average ships of the line and whatnot.


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40K ships range from about 1KM long escorts to possibly over 100KM long (Yes, 100KM), 

 

Source? (I'm genuinely curious.)


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Here's a better one -

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Too bad I can't find the 40k ships on the merzo website. tongue.png (well, except the Cobra, which is kinda little... for a 40k ship).

 

 

 

100km seems a little out there, even for Imperial ships, though - details on the actual size of Imperial battleships are irritatingly sketchy, but the Apocalypse battlecruiser (admittedly the smallest in the Imperial fleet) is just under four kilometres long, and the Mars-class cruiser (my favourite, workhorse of the fleet!) is 5400m. A Mars typically runs with a crew of around 107,000 - I believe that includes flight crew for her launch bays, however.


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Too bad I can't find the 40k ships on the merzo website. tongue.png (well, except the Cobra, which is kinda little... for a 40k ship).

 

 

 

100km seems a little out there, even for Imperial ships, though - details on the actual size of Imperial battleships are irritatingly sketchy, but the Apocalypse battlecruiser (admittedly the smallest in the Imperial fleet) is just under four kilometres long, and the Mars-class cruiser (my favourite, workhorse of the fleet!) is 5400m. A Mars typically runs with a crew of around 107,000 - I believe that includes flight crew for her launch bays, however.

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Zoom -2X has most of the Heavier B5 ships, as well as the Star Wars Star Destroyer, the Andromeda, and the 40k Cobra class Destroyer.

Zoom -10X has the Star Wars SSD, Farscape Peacekeeper Command Carrier, 40k Retribution class Battleship, and the B5 Babylon stations.


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40K ships range from about 1KM long escorts to possibly over 100KM long (Yes, 100KM), 

 

Source? (I'm genuinely curious.)

 

I can't give specifics, but a number of times various rare ships (1 or 2 in the entire Imperium) have been mentioned. They are often suggested to be relics of another age or weapons of such vast power they can only be used with the Emperors sanction. You get the idea. The odd casual sentence background. Now none of the references are specific about the size of the craft. There is however a piece of artwork that shows a very large ship. If we assume the ships in the foreground are small 1km escorts, the craft must be around 130KM long. That is why I used possibly.

 

I unfortunatly can't help anymore than that. I don't remember any specific names (so I can't google search or use lexi and the like), and as it is on ships it is very likely this stuff was connected to BFG. A lot of that stuff was published in WD or the smaller specialist games magazine/journal.



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Somehow I feel that they did Nostromo scale wrong (from Alien). After all, it was ore carrier, it was extremely huge.

 

Also, unless source provided - I would not believe 100 km for 40k ships. Well, maybe Falanx, maybe some hulks, but that's it. Maybe Mechanicum forge and silo ships could be up to 20 km long, but not battle ships.


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Somehow I feel that they did Nostromo scale wrong (from Alien). After all, it was ore carrier, it was extremely huge.

 

Also, unless source provided - I would not believe 100 km for 40k ships. Well, maybe Falanx, maybe some hulks, but that's it. Maybe Mechanicum forge and silo ships could be up to 20 km long, but not battle ships.

I am talking about the odd ship, relics, space hulks, call them what you will. I don't mean the 'standard' ships in the fleet, which get to about 8KM I think. Was Horus' flag ship put at about 15KM in the HH novels?



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Too bad I can't find the 40k ships on the merzo website. :P (well, except the Cobra, which is kinda little... for a 40k ship).
 
 
 
100km seems a little out there, even for Imperial ships, though - details on the actual size of Imperial battleships are irritatingly sketchy, but the Apocalypse battlecruiser (admittedly the smallest in the Imperial fleet) is just under four kilometres long, and the Mars-class cruiser (my favourite, workhorse of the fleet!) is 5400m. A Mars typically runs with a crew of around 107,000 - I believe that includes flight crew for her launch bays, however.


The Flagship for the Legion of the Damned is described in the novel as being 600+cubic km in massand can be see with the naked eye from the ground.

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Too bad I can't find the 40k ships on the merzo website. tongue.png (well, except the Cobra, which is kinda little... for a 40k ship).
 
 
 
100km seems a little out there, even for Imperial ships, though - details on the actual size of Imperial battleships are irritatingly sketchy, but the Apocalypse battlecruiser (admittedly the smallest in the Imperial fleet) is just under four kilometres long, and the Mars-class cruiser (my favourite, workhorse of the fleet!) is 5400m. A Mars typically runs with a crew of around 107,000 - I believe that includes flight crew for her launch bays, however.


The Flagship for the Legion of the Damned is described in the novel as being 600+cubic km in massand can be see with the naked eye from the ground.

 

600km3 sounds like the volume of a ship somewhat smaller than 100km long. And being seen from the ground isn't that mean a feat - the ISS can be seen from the ground and that's a speck compared to a cruiser in 40k. 


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600km3... heh, yes. A 100km long ship would only be, for example, two meters wide and three meters tall for that volume tongue.png

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Somehow I feel that they did Nostromo scale wrong (from Alien). After all, it was ore carrier, it was extremely huge.

 

Also, unless source provided - I would not believe 100 km for 40k ships. Well, maybe Falanx, maybe some hulks, but that's it. Maybe Mechanicum forge and silo ships could be up to 20 km long, but not battle ships.

 

The Nostromo was a tug, towing an ore processing barge. Watch Alien and look carefully when the Nostromo detaches to land. You'll see the huge barge that is left in orbit.


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Here's a better one -

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That is the geekiest site I've seen in awhile - love it!thumbsup.gif

 

The Red Dwarf isn't on there so, meh :P


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lol, I knew it was missing something iconic! TARDIS, but no Red Dwarf or Starbug?! Heresy!


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lol, I knew it was missing something iconic! TARDIS, but no Red Dwarf or Starbug?! Heresy!

 

Or Blue Midget ;)


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