GodEmperorOfMankind Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 While looking through the Betrayal book this evening I noticed on page 284, apocalypse rules appendix, that there are rules clarifying Ork power fields and Eldar void shields. Does this mean that Orks and Eldar are going to be involved at some point?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Maybe not officially in one of a future books, but they where around and the Legions did fight them. I believe it is more of a stop the questions before they are asked. Even Nids can be used to represent some random local 'monster' that a Legion has to clear out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W0lfie Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Maybe not officially in one of a future books, but they where around and the Legions did fight them. I believe it is more of a stop the questions before they are asked. Even Nids can be used to represent some random local 'monster' that a Legion has to clear out. And I am fairly sure Stealers were already around at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darog Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 While looking through Betrayal this evening I noticed on page 284, apocalypse rules appendix, there are rules clarifications on Ork power fields and Eldar void shields. Does this mean Orks and Eldar have a role to play in the Heresy? Yes, Orks, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Necrons - all those who have existed then. And Imperial Guard aka Imperial Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Well depends unless they bring out other skirmishes before istvan for example remember the Elder tried to warn fulgrum and then got into a battle don't about future books though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I hope FW will include the Xenos in their books, but I really doubt that would happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoption Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 The FAQ for betrayal mentions that the legion astartes list is perfectly compatible with GW lists. The only item is that you may need to scale up the unit sizes. So you could use codex orks or codex eldar to represent a xenos force during the great crusade/horus heresy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I thought I read somewhere they will release a list for orks and Elder so they can be used against legion lists, I got the impression. It will be done as a PDF on their site but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 The method FW would prefer you use is that in battles bigger the 1500pts you let the ork or eldar play use the Age of Darkness FOC in you HH book to build their army. In larger games this will include the use of some supper heavies and supped up characters too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I really don't think they need to release anything. The legion lists are designed and balanced to fight other marines. I have yet to have a problem playing my Legion list against a 40k list and have either of us want to change anything besides the outcome. I've lost just as many as I have won. Legion lists are not Space Marines with larger squad size, far from it. They have different rules that compensate for the 20 man squads and are a weakness against 40k lists. The most I see is a FAQ for conflicts/interactions between rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I think they want to have some different rules for the orks though. This would be to represent their limited contact with Imperial technology, whom most of thier 40k tech is based off. So during the heresy, Ork titans wouldn't look as they do now, their dred things won't look like they do now etc. also orks are apparently a lot bigger as they are the dominant species in much of the galaxy. Or so I read somewhere, have no solid sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoption Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Orks loot everyone's technology, not just the (then) nacent Imperiums. Also remember, that mankind had successfully spread to the stars before the great crusade... Orks no doubt had faced man before. I doubt ork tech has changed in any meaningful way since they lost the brainboys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 But they hadn't faced space marines and their power armour and dreadnaughts and terminator armour and Primarchs., And the titans etc... Anyway where I read it (possibly the first expedition) sounded a lot more convincing then what I can say, especially the reason they were bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 But now you are creating a 30k Ork list and will have the pressure from the non-30k players wanting the cool toys the 30k people get. Much like now we have 40k players wanting 30k heavy weapons for their 40k armies. Much less headache for FW. I can see maybe more model options that can be used in both settings, but not entire lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 The Predator tank was developed by man as a direct response to its first encounters with orks. Nearly everything that the Imperuim uses except the SM themselves was invented before the age of strife. Gargants are models after the Ork gods, not imperial Titans and the Eldar have been using Titans for millions of years. Personally I think the current Ork dex lacks that whole looted tech flavor and to me just feels incomplete but that what we have right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Well said Raven! Edit: I believe this goes for most armies. There could be so much done to keep people out of the rut most codex push people in. Just take the Chapter Tactics rules...so much potential not used to easily represent the thousands of codex chapters. Same for every army I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Hisdudeness: your probably right, maybe they will just release some lord of war choices. Raven Angel: ah right, dont have to much knowledge on the orks tbh, just trying to remember what I somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Maybe...you have to remember most lord or war slots are just apoc units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Probably. Maybe they will do something like the war boss of Ullanor who might have similar stats to a Primarch. I realise I'm just speculating now by it would be cool to see some unique units or characters but I agree a whole list would be a bit much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 In the mean time You could just let the guy proxy Angron as a warboss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 We might have some more info on crusade/heresy era Orks over here. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 But we'll leave them alone (for now) since they're xenos. If they ever make an appearance and if there is an Imperium-/Chaos-centric aspect of discussion in which they might have some context, we might allow some discussion on them. That, of course, will depend upon the nature of their role(s) in the Horus Heresy, which the Black Library and Forge World have yet to reveal (other than what we already know of the Cabal, etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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