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[Raven Angel]

Nice to see it getting updated

[malika666]

VII Legion

 

Eternal Crusader - Battle Barge - Codex Black Templars 4th Ed by Graham McNeill [GW] & Blood and Fire by Aaron Dembski-Bowden [BL] - Status Active

Terrible Angel - Strike Cruiser - Codex Black Templars 4th Ed by Graham McNeill [GW] - Status Unknown - Was fired upon by the Imperial Navy for the Imperial Fists supposed heresies.

 

Another two vessels for the Sons of Dorn.

 

How sure are you that they are Heresy era ships and not Scourging?

 

Oh yeah, you might want to check out the list over at The First Expedition. A lot of it originally came from B&C, but it has some additional entries from the latest releases. And...it's closely watched by the BL Horus Heresy editor...

[Emperor's Furor]

Gone through the Episodes of Scars and I've listed the ships I've come upon, those I'm not sure of I've stated what I believe them to be due to description of what they are doing, such as being a scout ship etc, the others are defined within the book itself. I've also gave a brief explanation of them at the current point or when they were last heard of.

 

 

White Scars -

 

Swordstorm - Battle Barge - Scars - Chris Wright - Flagship of the White Scars Legion, The Khan's own ship.

 

Starspear - Battle Barge - Scars - Chris Wright - Moving with White Scars Fleet

 

Sickle Moon - Frigate - Scars - Chris Wright - Transporting Yesugei, The Khan's Chief Stormseer, to the White Scars Fleet.

 

Kaljian - Destroyer - Scars - Chris Wright - Moving with White Scars Fleet

 

Xo-Jia - Destroyer - Scars - Chris Wright - Moving with White Scars Fleet - Suffered Damage to Shield Generators after Fight with Alpha Legion

 

Tchin-Zar - Cruiser - - Scars - Chris Wright - Moving with White Scars Fleet

 

Lance of Heaven - Cruiser - Scars - Chris Wright - Moving with White Scars Fleet

 

Qo-Fian - Cruiser - Scars - Chris Wright - Moving with White Scars Fleet

 

Uzan - Unknown, either Frigate or Destroyer - Scars - Chris Wright - Last known position - failed to arrive at muster point

 

Hawkstar - Unknown, either Frigate or Destroyer- Scars - Chris Wright - Last known position - failed to arrive at muster point

 

 

 

 

Space Wolves - 

 

Fylskiare - Frigate - Scars -  Chris Wright - Engaged Alpha Legion

 

Helridder - Believe it's a destroyer, captained by Bjorn - Scars  - Chris Wright - Ordered to steer into Alpha Legion firing line to do what damage it can do (Suicide Run)

 

 

 

 

Alpha Legion

 

Beta-Kalaphon - Corvette - Scars - Chris Wright - Lost half it's void shield coverage after a misjudged move forward.

 

 

 

 

Sons of Horus

 

Grey Talon - Frigate - Scars - Chris Wright  Boarded by Survivors of Istvaan V, renamed Hesiod, Navigator died prior to coming into contact with Sickle Moon.

 

 

 

 

Word Bearers

 

Vorkaudar - Deep void frigate- Scars - Chris Wright  Boarded by Survivors of Istvaan V as a replacement for Hesiod.

[malika666]

Wasn't that Word Bearers ship just renamed the Hesiod?

[Captain Semper]

@ Messanger of Death: Can we confirm that these are Heresy era ships? I will add them but note that confirmation is pending.

@ WoT: I have not read Scars nor do I own it (yet) so I need a bit of colour: what do you mean moving with White Scars fleet? Do you mean operational as in not destroyed or damaged? Also I'm a bit confused with the Grey Talon, the Vorkaudar and the Hesiod. The way I understand it (from waht is written above), the Hesiod (originally WB ship) was renamed by the SoH to Grey Talon. The WBs then commissioned another ship to replace the Hesiod called Vorkaudar... Am I correct?

Edited by Captain Semper, 23 September 2013 - 01:58 PM.

[Emperor's Furor]

The Grey Talon was a SoH ship that some Istvaan V survivors (Salamanders, Iron Hands, Raven Guard) boarded after escaping the planet and used it to escape. The Warp Storms caused the navigator to die and so they laid in wait to ambush another ship. The Sickle Moon came out of warp right in front of it, they tried to board the Sickle Moon but were repulsed by the Stormseer on board. The next we hear of survivors they have teamed up with the stormseer and have taken out a relay station, a word bearers ship, the Vorkaudar is on patrol and investigates the station, the survivors subsequently then board the Vorkaudar and are in the process of taking it over the last time we see them.

 

So to sum up, the Grey Talon (SoH) was rechristened the Hesiod but they lost their navigator, so they took the Vorkaudar (WBs) instead. I'm not sure what's happened to the Sickle Moon since they only lost their void shields during the ambush by the Hesiod.

 

When I say with the fleet, it means they are an activate component of the White Scars fleet which is all together, the White Scars seemed to of moved all together rather than split up like other legions, this is picked up on in the story by an administratum officer who finds it weird.

Edited by WoT, 23 September 2013 - 12:58 PM.

[Greyall]

Ah, I thought the parts with the Stormseer took part away from Jaghatai Khan. Has the Primarch been informed about these survivors?

[Emperor's Furor]

Spoiler

They do take place away from the Khan, the Stormseer is attempting to reach his Primarch and ran into these survivors, the Khan doesn't know his Stormseer is attempting to reach him

[Captain Semper]

Ahh, I see... Updated the tables accordingly.

[Emperor's Furor]

I believe the Starspear is a Battle Barge as it was used as a meeting point for all the legion's Khans to announce what they'd been told about the Space Wolves. It's also used as a meeting place for the White Scars Lodge meetings, so that many random White Scars on a Strike Cruiser maybe a bit suspicious whilst transporting to and from a Battle Barge seems normal.

 

Chris Wright has apparently renamed the Flagship the Swordstorm as opposed to the Sword Strom you currently have it listed as.

[Captain Semper]

So the starspear is not explictly listed as a Battle Barge then? I shall add a question mark next to it. will fix the Swirdstorm too...

[Emperor's Furor]

No it's not explicitly stated as a Battle Barge in fact neither is the Swordstorm, there's a passage that implies the Swordstorm may be a Cruiser as well, it says something a long the lines of "the other cruisers forming an escort", but neither the Starspear or Swordstorm is listed amongst the Cruisers during the battle against the Alpha Legion, in fact the Swordstorm appears to pull ahead of the entire legion fleet..so it's curious.

 

Edit: Btw the Tchin-Zar is commanded by Noyan-khan Hasik, which is like the Khan in command of a group of Khans.

 

Edit2: Also the Space Wolves vessel Fylskiare is commanded by Beorth Ranekborn

Edited by WoT, 23 September 2013 - 02:25 PM.

[Captain Semper]

So we don't know what it is. The Swordstrom is refered to a Capital Class in the Brotherhood of Storm... And from what you're telling me it's type is not clear in Scars either. Could be a Battle Barge, a Grand Cruiser, a Battleship or a Gloriana for all we know! Same applies for the Starspear. So i'm leaving both as unknown and return the Capital Class for the Swordstorm.

Let's add only what's explicitly mentioned - or if there is a very strong indication we may add it with a question mark. As it is now I think both ships should be unkown.

Edited by Captain Semper, 23 September 2013 - 02:36 PM.

[Emperor's Furor]

So we don't know what it is. The Swordstrom is refered to a Capital Class in the Brotherhood of Storm... And from what you're telling me it's type is not clear in Scars either. Could be a Battle Barge, a Grand Cruiser, a Battleship or a Gloriana for all we know! Same applies for the Starspear. So i'm leaving both as unknown and return the Capital Class for the Swordstorm.

Let's add only what's explicitly mentioned - or if there is a very strong indication we may add it with a question mark. As it is now I think both ships should be unkown.

Ok cool, it's confirmed though that all White Scars ships have been specially outfitted for maximum speed, with specially outfitted engines at the expense of other aspects of the ships like shields.

 

Edit: Also the Space Wolves part you've added is slightly wrong, it should be this. 

 

Fylskiare ??? Frigate Scars by Chris Wraight [BL] SM Cmdr:  Beorth Ranekborn Status: Engaged Alpha Legion

 

Helridder ??? Destroyer Scars by Chris Wraight [BL] SM Cmdr: Bjorn, Status: Unknown [order to do suicide run]

 

Bjorn used boarding torpedoes to get on board Leman Russ's flagship as he thought it was in trouble, it was severely damaged, but Leman Russ lowered the shields in the hopes Alpharius would board it, Bjorn didn't realise this and abandoned his ship to rush to Leman Russ's aid. 

Edited by WoT, 23 September 2013 - 03:10 PM.

[Messanger of Death]

The Eternal Crusader dates back to the Great Crusade as per Aaron Dembski-Bowden's Blood and Fire.

The Terrible Angel was fired upon by the Imperial Navy after the Siege of Terra, but before the Imperial Fists Legion was split into Chapters. So it should be removed from the list as it isn't specifically mentioned during the Horus Heresy.

[Captain Semper]

@ WoT: SWs entries corrected! Love the new avatar!

 

@ Messanger of Death: That's great, thanks!

 

 

 

Soooo any Salamanders' ships yet?

[timdp]

Death Guard Stalwart is still misspelled.

Mechanicum Aratan also appears in HHCV P32.

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

Imperial Fists

 

Rutilus Tyrannus - Battle Barge- Deathwatch, Honour The Chapter/ Rites of Battle - FFG Becomes the Fortress Monastery of the Crimson Fists.

 

 

 

Blood Angels

 

Victus - Battle Barge- Deathwatch, Honour The Chapter - FFG Becomes the Fortress Monastery of the Flesh Tearers.

 

edit  I see Victus is already listed... I guess knowing it will be the Flesh Tearers ship is assumed?

Edited by Lord Lorne Walkier, 28 October 2013 - 07:03 AM.

[Captain Semper]

Well, the Victus was definitely named as a HH era ship on the BAs in Fear to Tread. Also it was not destroyed and therefore it is assumed that it is still active. Now whether the Flesh Tearer's one is the same Victus or another one I cannot say...

Also about the Rutilus Tyrannus, is it explicitly mentioned to be a HH era battle barge?

Edited by Captain Semper, 28 October 2013 - 06:27 PM.

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

Well, the Victus was definitely named as a HH era ship on the BAs in Fear to Tread. Also it was not destroyed and therefore it is assumed that it is still active. Now whether the Flesh Tearer's one is the same Victus or another one I cannot say...

Also about the Rutilus Tyrannus, is it explicitly mentioned to be a HH era battle barge?

 

 

The Victus is said to have been "from their former Legion's supplies,"  Amit is the Flesh Tearer so it makes since that his ship would be the Chapters battle barge that bears his name.

 

The write up on the Crimson Fists dose not say that the ship, Rutilus Tyrannus was in the Imperial Fists supplies but it talks about Alexix Polus being their first Chapter Master and he is all over the HH novels.  It says "The battle barge Rutilus Tyrannus was their home amoung the stars" -Deathwatch Honour the Chapter pg 58.   "The crimson Fists were, initially at least, a space-borne Chapter, based aboard the mighty fortress-monastery Rutilus Tyrannus.  The Chapter's first and most celebrated master was Alexix Polux, a warrior who combined the very best qualities of a fighter and strategist and who led the Crimson Fists throughout its formative campaigns until he fell ...."

 

I think this places the ship in the HH era.

[timdp]

Heresy era ship drawings in FW "Extermination" book!

 

Fourth image down. Cobra destroyer included for scale.

http://www.forgeworl...n_Campaign.html

[timdp]

Contrador text:

 

"The Contrador
Battle Barge of the Iron Warriors

At the Battle of Phall, the "Legates" class battle barge Contrador was commanded by the Iron Warriors war leader Erasmus(?) Colg, who was the commander of the Legion's 11th company.

 

Typical of the warships of the Iron Warriors grand fleet, the Contrador's already formidable armor and weapons were heavily enhanced over many decades of service. What she sacrificed in speed and maneuverability she more than gained in raw strength, as befitting the bellicose and stoic nature of the Iron Warriors themselves.

 

Despite her extensive modifications, the Contrador conformed to a pattern that was coming into use throughout the war fleets of the Legiones Astartes at the time of the Battle of Phall and which would become a familiar class of battle barge in the coming years."

 

 

Also from the table of contents:
"Warships of the Great Crusade p15"

Edited by timdp, 26 March 2014 - 04:07 AM.

[Captain Semper]

The Contrador was aleady included as it appeared in the Crimson Fists novella in the Shadows of Treachery anthology. However this is a new sources andadds a very rare piece of info: A class for a Battle Barge! So I have updated this accordingly.

 

Nice find timdp!

 

BTW what do you guys think of this "Warships of the Great Crusade"? Are we getting a complete list?

[Hyrion]

-The Red Tear is described as an modified Gloriana Class Ship in .... forgot the name of the book about the blood angles  and signus prime

-Barbaru's Sting is named Barbaros Sting in Collected Visions and and called a Strike Craft

-Gladiator World eaters Capital Ship collected Visions (misslabled as Death guard)

-Callidor is named Callidora in Collected Visions

Edited by Hyrion, 26 March 2014 - 08:53 AM.

[Kol Saresk]

The Contrador was aleady included as it appeared in the Crimson Fists novella in the Shadows of Treachery anthology. However this is a new sources andadds a very rare piece of info: A class for a Battle Barge! So I have updated this accordingly.

Nice find timdp!

BTW what do you guys think of this "Warships of the Great Crusade"? Are we getting a complete list?

As awesome as that would be(especially if there were pictures), I think it'll just be a highlights reel of various notables.