+++Fleets of the Heresy III +++

[Captain Semper]

@ Heathens: I will make the conflict evident.

 

@ MasterofMankind & SFH: Both interesting points... I'll try to record them as much as I can in the table format... Totally forgot about the Macragge's Honour!

 

@ Perrin: They can be everything form an official GW source. That means GW, FW and BL but not any online wikis or Lexicanium and such. There has to be a direct reference from an official GW product. So fire away!

[Kol Saresk]

The source can be anything but it has to explicitly say the ship was active during the Heresy.

[Captain Semper]

The source can be anything but it has to explicitly say the ship was active during the Heresy.

Exactly. Only ships that are confirmed to be active during the Heresy are counted here.

 

I have added all the recent comments and conflicting evidence in the appropriate tables...

 

Great stuff!

[Olis]

A little message from The First Expedition to B&C. I think at the end of the day we all want the same, namely a complete list of the ships.

 

A little friendly joshing is just part of the fun, brother. :D

 

I for one welcome cooperation between the two forums, at least on this matter. 

[malika666]

Another message from The First Expedition, see it as 'leveling the playing field', and as a sign of gratitude to the original list B&C compiled:

 

I Legion

Wrath's Descent (Battle Barge, Currently Active) - (‘At the Lion’s Command’ by Gav Thorpe, The Imperial Truth Anthology)

The Crusader (Strike Cruiser, Currently Active) - (‘At the Lion’s Command’ by Gav Thorpe, The Imperial Truth Anthology)

 

IV Legion

Hammerfall (Heavy Cruiser, Currently Active) - (Tallarn: Executioner by John French)

Purity of Fire (Torpedo Destroyer, Destroyed over Tallarn) - (Tallarn: Executioner by John French)

Kraetos (Macro-Transporter, Destroyed over Tallarn) - (Tallarn: Executioner by John French)

Tycho's Lament (Class Unknown, Crippled over Paramar) - (Extermination by Alan Bligh)

Retribution of Thunder (Class Unknown, Destroyed over Tallarn) - (Tallarn: Executioner by John French)

 

VI Legion

Waning Crescent (Zeta class courier ship, Currently Active) - (The Unremembered Empire by Dan Abnett

Fylskiare (Outrider Frigate, Currently Active) - (Scars by Chris Wraight)

Helridder (Class Unknown, Currently Active) - (Scars by Chris Wraight)

Jarnkel (Class Unknown, Destroyed at Alaxxes) - (Scars by Chris Wraight)

Heimdl (Class Unknown, Destroyed at Alaxxes) - (Scars by Chris Wraight)

Fenrysavar (Class Unknown, Crippled at Alaxxes) - (Scars by Chris Wraight)

 

VII Legion

Light of Inwit (Strike Cruiser, Destroyed over Tallarn) - (Tallarn: Executioner by John French)

Wrathful Vanguard (Strike Cruiser, Currently Active) - (Deliverance Lost by Gav Thorpe)

Lachrymae (Thunderbolt Class Heavy Frigate, Currently Active) - (Extermination by Alan Bligh)
Persephone (Thunderbolt Class Heavy Frigate, Currently Active) - (Extermination by Alan Bligh)
Ophelia (Thunderbolt Class Heavy Frigate, Currently Active) - (Extermination by Alan Bligh)

 

VIII Legion

Blood Wraith (Frigate, Crippled at Istvaan V) - (Horus Heresy Weekender Program)

 

XIV Legion

Omen (Unknown Relic Assault Ship, Currently Active) - (Betrayal by Alan Bligh)

 

XVI Legion

Minotaur (Strike Cruiser, Damaged Over Isstvan III) - (Betrayal by Alan Bligh)

Killing Star (Battleship, Damaged over Isstvan III) - (Betrayal by Alan Bligh)

 

XVII Legion

Mournsong (Class Unknown, Status Unknown) - (‘The Traveller’ by David Anandale, from Mark of Calth).

Vorkaudar (Frigate, Captured and Scuttled by the White Scars) - (Scars by Chris Wraight)

 

XIX Legion

Ad Temperesta (Symphalia Class Warp Runner, Fate Unknown) - (Massacre by Alan Bligh)

Aeruginosis (Class Unknown, Currently Active) - (Corax-Soulforge by Gav Thorpe)

 

XX Legion

Sigma-Pythonus (Basileus Class Battle Barge, Currently Active) - (Extermination by Alan Bligh)

Anax-Rho (Bellerophon Class Heavy Assault Cruiser, Destroyed over Paramar) - (Extermination by Alan Bligh)

Beta-Kalaphon (Corvette, Destroyed over Chondax) - (Scars by Chris Wraight) 

[Olis]

Sweet. I'm sure Semper will be happy. ;)

[Perrin]

Just spent half an hour trawling through Salamander to see if the HH era ship they find is named... it isn't   Although the character that they find with the ship also appears in Age of Darkness - Forgotten Sons so it may be worth a look to see if they have a ship with them in that short story and whether it's named, if no one has already.

 

I also have a slight feeling that a Space Wolf ship may be described as being active during the Heresy in the Space Wolf series but I can't for the life of me remember which book. More of a gut feeling really, not sure it's worth checking up on and I don't have my copy to hand anyway.

[MasterofMankind]

Disregard post,just noticed malika's post

Edited April 9, 2014 by MasterofMankind

[Captain Semper]

Yeah, sorry guys for not updating - difficult week at work. I'll try to update during the weekend.

[Conn Eremon]

Glorianas are mentioned, among other things. That list hits most of the points, but it leaves out some and is misleading on others. I’ll provide a more full list as detailed on page 15, titled “Warships of the Great Crusade.” If anyone has a profile at the other forum, feel free to share this.

 

Battleships or Battle Barges

Battleships are the principal/capital class of warship in the Armada Imperialis

Range 8-12 km in length, though some were constructed far larger.

Battle Barges are any variant or retrofit of Battleship class hulls modified and optimized for use by the Legiones Astartes specifically for Space Marine planetary assault and ship-to-ship boarding actions.

Purpose-built Battle Barges have also been constructed, particularly in the Great Crusade’s later years.

In common parlance, any capital class vessel used by the Legiones Astartes exclusively is often referred to as a Battle Barge regardless of the technical truth of the matter.

 

Noteworthy Classes:

Goliath

Victory

Gloriana

Infernus

Retribution

Imperator

Tiamat (Shield Bastion)

Ironclad

Warspite (Battle Barge)

Dictatus

Mortis Rex

 

Note: I believe the parts in parentheses mark purpose-built ship classes.

Note: The section on warships has nothing on the Basileus and Legatus class of Battleships. I assume they will be mentioned elsewhere.

 

Grand Cruiser and Galleass of War

Grand Cruisers are ‘pocket battleships’ that are intended principally for lone operations rather than as a part of a larger fleet, but are also flags of smaller fleets

Galleass of War is equivalent, but given over to freight and transport capacity

Noted as ideal support for long-range explorations into unknown regions of space and as the flagships of the most powerful Rogue Traders Militant

 

Noteworthy Classes

Avenger

Dagon

Inflexible

Maelstrom

Odysseus (Galleass of War)

 

Cruisers

Both Light and Heavy, range between 4 km and 6 km in length

Heavies are defensive w/ heavy firepower

Lights have speed and manoeuvrability

Strike Cruisers are modified designs used by the Legiones Astartes, optimized and reconfigured for planetary assault and boarding actions in primacy over other roles.

 

Noteworthy Classes

Armiger

Eclipse

Hades

Hellfire (Lance Cruiser)

Siluria

Tetsujin

Crusade

Olympia (Strike Cruiser)

Cardinal

Lunar

Bellerophon (Heavy Assault Cruiser)

 

Note: It’s spelled ‘Siluria’ in the Warships page.

Note: Didn’t notice a mention of the Crusader Cruiser, but with there being a Crusade Cruiser in both of our lists, I’m wondering if it’s the same class spelled differently elsewhere (which Siluria and Silurian might be as well), if it’s an error on the other list’s part, or if there are actually two Cruiser classes called the Crusade and the Crusader.

 

Escorts

Catchall designation for the smallest division of Warp-capable warships

Seldom larger than 1-2 km in length

 

Noteworthy Classes

Sword

Thunderbolt (Heavy Frigate)

Sceptre

Havoc

Baron

Harpy

Stalwart (Minekeeper)

Cobra (Destroyer)

Vigil (Siege Frigate)

Spectre (Warp Runner)

Thor (Ordinancer)

 

Note: Yes, ‘keeper,’ not ‘sweeper’

Note: Saw nothing on a Quicksilver Frigate, might again be seen later.

[Kol Saresk]

Tiamat Shield Bastion. What in the name of Night is a Tiamat Shield Bastion? This, I want to know.

[Conn Eremon]

My guess, it's one of those specialized fortress vessels of the Fists. Not a Star fort, just a bulked up capital class. But yeah, I am hoping to hear of more.

[Captain Semper]

Right, I have updated the front tables for the kind contribution of Malika and the First Expedition! Thank you guys - much appreciated.

 

Now a couple of questions:

 

1. Where is the Imperial Truth Anthology? is it something distributed at Weekenders and such? Don't have, can't find it, can't cross check it...

 

2. Same applies for Corax-Soulforge...

 

3. For the "Horus Heresy Weekender Program" I added "2014". Was this info printed or mentioned or what was the the format? (curiosity)

 

Now I'm going through the Notable classes of the Heresy and thinking how to incorporate this info. hmmm... Fun stuff for sure!

 

 

EDIT: Also noticed the last entry of the Dark Angels fleet... Can't remember what I did there, but do you guys think it's referring to the 1999 Novel Eye of Terror by Barrington J. Bayley? Totally unsure. If no one has a clue I'll have to deep dive in the two previous threads and try to find the original contribution...

Edited April 13, 2014 by Captain Semper

[Hyaenidae]

Quick note: The Iron Warrior ship in Extermination is called the Tyche's Lament, not the Tycho's Lament.  :)

[Captain Semper]

Hahaha! Of course...

[SFH]

Right, I have updated the front tables for the kind contribution of Malika and the First Expedition! Thank you guys - much appreciated.

 

Now a couple of questions:

 

1. Where is the Imperial Truth Anthology? is it something distributed at Weekenders and such? Don't have, can't find it, can't cross check it...

 

2. Same applies for Corax-Soulforge...

 

3. For the "Horus Heresy Weekender Program" I added "2014". Was this info printed or mentioned or what was the the format? (curiosity)

 

Now I'm going through the Notable classes of the Heresy and thinking how to incorporate this info. hmmm... Fun stuff for sure!

 

 

EDIT: Also noticed the last entry of the Dark Angels fleet... Can't remember what I did there, but do you guys think it's referring to the 1999 Novel Eye of Terror by Barrington J. Bayley? Totally unsure. If no one has a clue I'll have to deep dive in the two previous threads and try to find the original contribution...

The Imperial Truth is an exclusive anthology released at Black Library events in 2013. Since it's now 2014, we might start seeing some of the stories released as ebooks soon.

[helterskelter]

ill have a quick flick through imperial truth when i get home. cant remember if any ships get a mention

[helterskelter]

The ships I found are already in the list :)

[timdp]

Thanks for posting Cormac

For BFG modelers the most interesting bit is the battleship length range: 8 to 12 km. At our 1:56,000 scale, this gives us a BFG model range range of 5.63" to 8.44" for the more standard battleship classes.

The obvious problem with this range is that none of the BFG battleship sized models are more than 5" long (except for the Battle Barge which is 5.12") and both Emperor (Imperator) and Retribution classes are mentioned in this new list. A 5" long BFG ship scales up to 7km. Individual ships that were built before the Heresy in the Emperor and Retribution classes still exist in the M41 time frame, so it is unlikely that these classes of ships somehow grew from 7km to 8km+ over the millennia.

It is possible that this is a new ship size retcon, but if it is, it makes the BFG battleship class models obsolete since they would have to be at least .6" or more longer than they are now to be in scale with the other BFG ships.

Another possibility is that scale is an elusive concept to the FW writers (as opposed to FW model builders) and they just guessed a kilometer too high for the lower limit of battleship lengths.


 

 

[Kol Saresk]

Or the scale just represents the 8km range ships of 40K, which makes a great deal of sense as BFG only represents those ships seen in the Gothic War, not the 40K galaxy whole.

[Hyaenidae]

Sire of Sabaktes

???

Heavy Cruiser

HH: Extermination

Status: Destroyed (Battle of Phall)

Iron Warriors

[Hyaenidae]

Blade of Perdition

???

???

HH: Extermination

Status: Active

Imperial Fists

Note: Captained by Seneschal Fafnir Rann

 

Atrophos

???

Grand Cruiser

HH: Extermination

Status: Active

Iron Warriors

[TDF]

Scramaseax

???

Capital Ship / Flag Ship

The Emperor's Gift by Aaron Dembski-Bowden (Described as older than the Grey Knights Chapter, Chapter 21, Part VIII, pg.345 (paperback))

Status: Active

Space Wolves

 

I also read this line and thought of this thread:

 

(when Hyperion is talking to Bjorn) I had a thousand other questions to ask: about the warrior's experiences in the age of the Heresy; about witnessing the Emperor in person; about the the classes of vessels that once sailed the stars and no longer saw use...

[malika666]

Hmm, but does 'being older than the Grey Knights' automatically mean it fought during the Crusade and/or Heresy? When exactly did the Grey Knights reveal themselves? Isn't it during the Second Founding? Meaning that the Scouring happened before, which means that there's the possibility that the ship was built in that era, rather than before.

[TDF]

Well, according to C:GK the Grey Knights project was begun "during the final days of the Horus Heresy" (pg.6) but the Chapter "first appeared during the tumult of the Second Founding" (pg.6), which according to Lexicanum was in 021.M31. So I suppose it is possible that the ship was built during the Scouring.