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Did anyone else see the snippet from Faeit 212 - apparently the Dark Angels have 6 wings - all of which were around in the heresy except the Ravenwing!


Looks like our story is far from done.



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Is this info for the Horus heresy dark angels from FW? Probably one for special divisions? like Jetbikes, Techmarines, Flyers, Elites and so fourth.

 

Do you happen to have the link, would like to read about it.



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Of course - just a snipet: http://natfka.blogsp...uk-wrap-up.html

 

Good job as well cos i got it backwards.  Here it is for the lazy ;)

 

"Also, the Dark Angels have SIX wings. The Ravenwing is one and the Deathwing don't exist in the Heresy.....  so that's a few to fill!"



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Well that is interesting...   What more is there I wonder... 


"deans somewhat less rarely updated log" (ammobunker) DA, GotC and PA follies (B&C plog)

 

4500pts of Deathwing...   Quantity is a Quality all it's own.

 

 

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I would love a scout wing with land speeder storms and scout bikes


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Didn't some of the biblical angels have six wings? Was it the seraphim?



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Yes, yes they do...   

 

(goes off to find that old reference book...)


"deans somewhat less rarely updated log" (ammobunker) DA, GotC and PA follies (B&C plog)

 

4500pts of Deathwing...   Quantity is a Quality all it's own.

 

 

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Seraphim:

[...] normally a synonym for serpents when used in the Hebrew Bible. A seminal passage in the Book of Isaiah (Isaiah 6:1-8) used the term to describe fiery six-winged beings that fly around God's throne singing "holy, holy, holy".


if it helps :)

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Edited by Isiah, 02 October 2013 - 06:42 PM.

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Of course - just a snipet: http://natfka.blogsp...uk-wrap-up.html

 

Good job as well cos i got it backwards.  Here it is for the lazy msn-wink.gif

 

"Also, the Dark Angels have SIX wings. The Ravenwing is one and the Deathwing don't exist in the Heresy.....  so that's a few to fill!"

 

If I remember correctly, the Ravenwing existing Hersey-era is in the fluff, derived from "The Order of the Raven's Wing" of which we can assume was one of the Knightly Orders on Pre-Imperial Caliban.


Edited by EPK, 02 October 2013 - 07:03 PM.


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So, there's Leigh-Mallory's Big Wings, Always Ultra now with wings, and of course Paul McCartney's Wings, the band the Beatles could have been....

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So, there's Leigh-Mallory's Big Wings, Always Ultra now with wings, and of course Paul McCartney's Wings, the band the Beatles could have been....

 

You forgot the most important one of all!

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098948/


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Didn't some of the biblical angels have six wings? Was it the seraphim?

Two different ones, actually, the Seraphim and the Cherubim.
As mentioned by Isiah, the Seraphim are fiery beings with six wings, while Cherubim are a sort of chimæra with four different heads (human, lion, ox and eagle) and six wings.

Kinda sad that the Deathwing apparantly didn't exist pre-heresy.
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Also, the Dark Angels have SIX wings. The Ravenwing is one and the Deathwing don't exist in the Heresy.....  so that's a few to fill!

 

I got the impression is that the Ravenwing IS one of the 6 while the Deathwing didn't exist before the heresy. Cause as mentioned previously the Order of the Raven's Wing DID exist in pre-Imperial Caliban.


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Don't count the Terminator-wing out yet. They just may not have been called "Deathwing" pre/during the Heresy.

 

Maybe they had wings for almost every squad type...

 

According to Betrayal's squad types for 30K,

 

EL Terms/Vets (Lionwing - okay, probably called something cooler)

TR Tacticals (Swordwing)

TR Assaults (Angelwing)

FA Outriders (Hunterwing)

FA Skyhunters (Ravenwing)

HS Heavy Supports (Ironwing)



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Maybe this will be the return of "Ironwing" for you all in the HH books. If memory serves that revolved around tanks and tarantula turrets?


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I think the idea of the "wings" is being taken a little too literally. During the heresy era the dark angels operated very differently than today. As The Order absorbed different knightly orders their customs very well could have been adopted. Also the inner circle was something very different than it is now. The "wing" suffix as far as we know only belonged to the ravenwing during the period prior to the emperor arriving on Caliban.

It is obvious though that The Lion preferred a very multi pronged warfare style with many elements supporting each other. It is something that will hopefully be expanded on once we have our forge world treatment.

Edited by Crusader_Weber, 04 October 2013 - 03:34 AM.


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Ok guys I've figured it out. I have all 12. You're welcome in advance.


1. Swallow wing.
Marines specializing in eating. Not a very mobile force.

2.Disallow wing
Astartes with very strict rules. Never ask them if you can do Something.

3.Disavow wing
They don't know the Lion. Never heard of him and they don't know what you're talking about.

4.Withdraw wing
They can never have money in their bank account. Don't loan them money.

5.Preview wing
I don't know why they were created but they have seen the the begining or every movie.

6.Outgrow wing
Marines that wear armor that never seem to fit. Fat guy in a little coat.

7.Follow wing
Once the restrainging orders were issued this wing was disbanded.

8.Mellow wing
The oldest marines formed this wing. They take Tie-dye armor and 'special' brownies as wargear.

9.Sow wing
Fashion sensitive astartes. They always look fabulous.

10.Mow wing
Marines tasked with groundskeeping.

11.Screw wing
Only those of legal age can be told about these guys.

12.Ravenwing
See C:DA


Well i think that's all of them.

Nailed it.

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Ok guys I've figured it out. I have all 12. You're welcome in advance.


1. Swallow wing.
Marines specializing in eating. Not a very mobile force.

2.Disallow wing
Astartes with very strict rules. Never ask them if you can do Something.

3.Disavow wing
They don't know the Lion. Never heard of him and they don't know what you're talking about.

4.Withdraw wing
They can never have money in their bank account. Don't loan them money.

5.Preview wing
I don't know why they were created but they have seen the the begining or every movie.

6.Outgrow wing
Marines that wear armor that never seem to fit. Fat guy in a little coat.

7.Follow wing
Once the restrainging orders were issued this wing was disbanded.

8.Mellow wing
The oldest marines formed this wing. They take Tie-dye armor and 'special' brownies as wargear.

9.Sow wing
Fashion sensitive astartes. They always look fabulous.

10.Mow wing
Marines tasked with groundskeeping.

11.Screw wing
Only those of legal age can be told about these guys.

12.Ravenwing
See C:DA


Well i think that's all of them.

Nailed it.

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Just reading through Unremembered Empire now; it mentions the Dark Angels have six wings.

 

Deathwing is very briefly mentioned - along with Dreadwing and Stormwing. No real mention on what they are, or what makes them special.

 

I've not read the full book yet, so Dan Abnett may mention all of them. I suspect Ravenwing and Ironwing two of the others, leaving one more unaccounted for.

 

There are some pretty cool tid-bits in the book about the Dark Angels and Lion El Jonson.


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There are some pretty cool tid-bits in the book about the Dark Angels and Lion El Jonson.

Noooo, don't tell me that. Due to the Black Library policy of waiting 6 months between release of the hardback and release of the standard ebook, I won't read it until April 2014!

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There are some pretty cool tid-bits in the book about the Dark Angels and Lion El Jonson.

Noooo, don't tell me that. Due to the Black Library policy of waiting 6 months between release of the hardback and release of the standard ebook, I won't read it until April 2014!

B&N looks like a large format paperback in February 2014...   pinch.gif


"deans somewhat less rarely updated log" (ammobunker) DA, GotC and PA follies (B&C plog)

 

4500pts of Deathwing...   Quantity is a Quality all it's own.

 

 

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On wings of death they shall ride, to unleash hell and fury from above
Sons of Johnson shall roll like a tide, in memory of the father and the lord they love

 

 


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Could some of these wings form the basis for the second founding chapters? This might explain why the Dark Angels apparently only have two left (plus the Deathwing) post heresy.

 

They could be analogous to the chapters in other Legions, each with their own preferred fighting style but with only the Ravenwing so highly specialised. The six wings could break down like this:

 

The Lion's wing - The basis of the Dark Angels chapter.

 

The Ravenwing - Does not split from the Legion like the other wings.

 

Luther's wing -  Mostly left behind on Caliban during the great crusade, the fallen were part of this wing. It is disbanded post heresy.

 

The other three become the Angels of Absolution, Angels of Redemption and Angels of Vengeance as part of the second founding, each of whom later created their own Ravenwing and Deathwing like organisations.


Edited by Surrender_Monkey, 04 October 2013 - 03:10 PM.


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With that...   Who smells a Successor supplement codex?

 

 

Jump pack wing..

20 or 30 man squad wing

Devi wing...

Does that make the Consecrators the OldWing?


Edited by Brother dean, 04 October 2013 - 03:35 PM.

"deans somewhat less rarely updated log" (ammobunker) DA, GotC and PA follies (B&C plog)

 

4500pts of Deathwing...   Quantity is a Quality all it's own.

 

 

 (TheShadowGuard)
On wings of death they shall ride, to unleash hell and fury from above
Sons of Johnson shall roll like a tide, in memory of the father and the lord they love

 

 


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Just finished reading Unremembered Empire

Spoilers

 

The wings

 

Spoiler


Edited by Augustus, 04 October 2013 - 04:04 PM.

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I like the sound of the Dreadwing. If that's a force of pre-heresy dreadnoughts and is represented in Forge World's army list I may have to rethink my policy of not collecting the same army in two different time periods.