Nomus Sardauk Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Very nice Ace, I see Santar has traded in his canon-verse TDA & Lightning Claws for Power Armour and a pair of Power Swords eh? Sounds more like something Fulgrim's boys would definitely prefer. BTW, is Saul Tarvitz Terran or Chemosian? I can never remember if the books ever said, personally I'd reckon he's Terran. I ask because I think he'd be a great candidate for Immortal Status in the EC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 22, 2014 Author Share Posted March 22, 2014 The Immortal Line Captain, the Perfect Subordinate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 BTW, is Saul Tarvitz Terran or Chemosian? I can never remember if the books ever said, personally I'd reckon he's Terran. I ask because I think he'd be a great candidate for Immortal Status in the EC. As far as I can tell, at this point there's nothing saying any of the named canon EC are Terran-born. So I'm playing it safe and leaving them for the Iron Hoplites to enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Nameless Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Sorry if I am intruding, but weren't Solomon Demeter and Rylanor Terrans, correct me if I'm wrong. I was under the impression that they were among the older members of the Emperor's Children,( he is Ancient Rylanor after all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 Technically, being older than most in the Legion doesn't automatically mean Terran. But yeah, they could be. Ace seems to have made the decision that unless someone is explicitly stated as bring Terran or Medusan, they aren't part of his III Legion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Rylanor is Terran I think. "One of the first generation of the Emperor's children". But there were only 200 total when reunited with Fulgrim, also they maintained Terran as a recruiting pool so they may have terrans from after Fulgrim was found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Sorry if I am intruding, but weren't Solomon Demeter and Rylanor Terrans, correct me if I'm wrong. I was under the impression that they were among the older members of the Emperor's Children,( he is Ancient Rylanor after all). I couldn't find any information stating the world of their origins one way or the other, but you raise a good point about Ancient Rylanor being, well, Ancient. Truth be told my original reticence about using the members of the EC with no mentioned world of origin was in case 1000Heathens wanted them for his Iron Hoplites. Since the Hoplites are now sort of in flux, I'd have no problems taking Demeter and Rylanor on board, if only to give me a couple of extra names to throw around where needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Nameless Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Technically, being older than most in the Legion doesn't automatically mean Terran. But yeah, they could be. Ace seems to have made the decision that unless someone is explicitly stated as bring Terran or Medusan, they aren't part of his III Legion. True, though they just need to be old enough to have been in the legion before Fulgrim was discovered in order to still be in the III Legion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On the topic of Imperial Hound Successors: (As of this post, assume the Blood Reavers/Space Sharks went the way of half eldar Ultramarines) Crimson Tusks Colors: Gun metal grey with red trim Heraldry: A boar's head Warcry: "Death and Glory!" Homeworld: Fleet Based Specialty: Drop Pod Assaults, Heavy Weapon teams. The Tusks maintain a much higher ratio of Devastor squads than suggested by the Perturabo-Jonson reforms, but said squads are most often found fighting on the front lines ahead of the Tactical and Assault contingents, with spikes and blades affixed to their armor to deal with any enemy that makes it through their thunderous barrage of firepower into melee. Founder: Aevalryff M41 Flag Captain: Merek Grimal, "Merek the Merry" Your master demands our surrender, eh? You can tell that scrawny little xenos princess that he may be a great lord in whatever hole you spawned in, but this is the Imperium of Man, and as far as we're concerned his demands are worth as much as a wet fart! Think you can remember all that, or do I need to come down there and carve it on your arse to make sure he gets the message?" -Merek addresses a Farseer of Craftworld Samm-hain during the Third War for Armageddon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Blackfins Colors: Black, bone white, and yellow Heraldry: A triangular fin rising from an ocean Warcry: "Never forget! Never forgive!" Homeworld: The Halls of Morkai, Specialty: Raiding, fighting in the shield wall Founder: Bjorn Throatbiter M 41 High Jarl: Lufgt Frostblood Call us primitive savages, if you like, but know this. When all your shining cities and grand machines have crumbled into nothing, when your laws, arts and culture are mere dust in the wind, we savages will remain, at the end as we were at the beginning." -Jarl Frostblood Formed from the Imperial Hounds who pined for the old ways of Fenris and chafed under Lorgar's rule. Their home is the Halls of Morkai, a colossal graveyard of Space Hulks that began as the remnants of the Fenris orbital habitats and the fleets that fought among them, but has been steadily added to for ten thousand years. The Blackfin have populated their Worldhulk with generations of feral world and underhive tribes and deadly alien beasts, striving to recreate as best they can the war torn, monster haunted planet taken from them by Lorgar and Leman Barbedor. Recruits live in a state of bizarre techno barbarism, with tribes from one section donning crude vacuum suits to raid their neighbors with spears and axes shaped from the walls of their homes. The Astartes themselves keep close watch over their recruitment pool, ensuring that no true technological advancement or lasting peace may ever alter what they see as necessary conditions to breed the warriors mankind requires. This Successor has a reputation for unpredictability among the Imperium at large, with reports of them abandoning entire regiments of mortals and even brother Astartes to die if they judge them weak. By the same token, they have committed entire Great Companies to the defense of backwater agri-worlds where the populace's zeal impressed them, and awarded the defenders with grisly trophies and relic weapons to mark the honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 27, 2014 Author Share Posted March 27, 2014 Any particular reason why the Blood Reavers went the way of the dodo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Because the Blackfins were (in my opinion) cooler and the Crimson Tusk did the whole "Red Imperial Hounds Successors" better. Although if you guys like the "Shark themed Lorgar descendants with ursus claws and Destroyer squads", perhaps they could be a later founding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Funnily enough, I was thinking about Emperor's Children successors earlier. I was thinking that, when going along with Jonson's reforms, Fulgrim divides his Legion into four: The Emperor's Children, the Sons of Medusa, the Brazen Swords and the Silver Spears. The Emperor's Children are essentially Fulgrim's personal strike force until he perishes, at which point they become dedicated to the protection of the Sol Segmentum. The Sons of Medusa and The Brazen Blades are fleet-based Chapters who I figure act a bit like the Astartes Praeses - defending against attacks from the Eye of Terror. The Silver Spears are much like the above (and a reimagined version of my Steel Dragons, to boot), but they dedicate themselves to avenging Fulgrim's death when it comes, and will pursue any enemy linked to the Sons of Barrabas without mercy. As a result, they're spread rather more thinly. Are the Crimson Tusks and Blackfins second founding chapters? Come to think of it, are there going to be numbered foundings in our version of events, or is it going to be much less formalized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 27, 2014 Author Share Posted March 27, 2014 It was the fluff on the sharks themselves, and how that influenced the successor, that caught my attention. Otherwise, just wondered. Though a point I would make is that there needn't be only one 'red' Imperial Hound successor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 It was the fluff on the sharks themselves, and how that influenced the successor, that caught my attention. Otherwise, just wondered. Though a point I would make is that there needn't be only one 'red' Imperial Hound successor. Fair point. All right, after Fenris goes boom and Lorgar vanishes, the Hounds split four ways. One group keeps the big ship and tries to keep to Lorgar's ideals (as they see them) and retains the original name. The Crimson Tusks are those that headed off to hook up with the Imperial Army and the other Legions for the Scouring, in M41 they're led by Grimaldus if he was Robert Baratheon. Bjorn's group hangs around the wreckage trying to recreate a society they barely remember out of wreckage and kidnapped children, because something something civilization weak, barbarity strong, something. In M41 they're led by Lufgt Huron if he was Conan. The Blood Reavers are the newest recruits who feel the loss of Fenris the most, and remaining Terrans of the old "Kill them all, the Emperor will know his ow-oh wait, we don't worship the Emperor-KILL THEM ALL!" style, who headed straight out to hunt Traitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 27, 2014 Author Share Posted March 27, 2014 It is interesting that Lorgar essentially becomes something like Russ or Corax, in that he simply disappears at some point. He leaves the Legion/Successor and drops off the radar. But, whereas Corax and Russ never again make an appearance, Lorgar does. He does return, to fight the enemy in the first of the soon to be repetitive End Days, where he falls. That's kind of cool. It would be like if Corax went poof after saying "Nevermore," never heard of again until an onyx giant uses the words as a battle-cry during the *insert one of the million major battles that would decide the Imperium's fate*. Though, I suppose to make the comparison truly apt, the Raven Guard would have to refuse to believe it was him. Huh. I wonder if that's the truth behind the War of the False Primarch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Could be, Cormac. When this whole notion first occurred to me, I was thinking of the whole "Canon Lorgar parked his haunches on Sicarus for ten thousand years doing jack and squat while Kor and Erebus ran the Legion" thing, and the ongoing "DORN LIVES! DORN LIVES!" kerfluffle that remains good for at least five pages of screaming back and forth debate every time someone brings it up on the B & C. As for Lorgar looking like Emperor Palpatine while all his surviving non-Daemon brothers are still in their prime... Primarch biology is magic. That is to say, my belief is a Primarch's appearance and health is going to be linked a lot closer to their mental and emotional state than people or Astartes who aren't giant bundles of Warp magic. As evidenced by Curze going grey and wrinkly when he's described at the tail end of his mental meltdown in the Soul Hunter books. Lorgar's old and dying because he settled down on that dirtball planet to get old and die. The same reason High Lord Angron is a statesman in the prime of his life while Crusade era Angron was a young (defined as early twentiesish) conqueror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Oooh, suggestions for Successor Chapters? Count me in! Okie-dokie-loki, let's see now... Executioners Successor: The Punishers Colours: Black with white helmets and trim, Veterans wear black skull-faced helmets akin to Chaplains. Heraldry: A stylised White skull. War Cry: Sin begets retribution! Homeworld: None, Fleet-based. Speciality: Close Combat, Drop Pod assault, decapitating strikes. Founder: Nassir Amit, "the Punisher" ----- Second Successor is up, imagine these guys as the 40k Thousand Sons models (not the Sorcerer, just the basic Rubrics) but with Aztec stylings on their armour rather than Egyptian. Solar Tigers Successor: Star Serpents Colours: Jade Green with Golden trim, marines often wear colourful feathers, animal skins and jewelry made from precious stones and metals. Heraldry: The face of a great feathered serpent. War Cry: Feel our fangs! Homeworld: Quetzalcoatl Speciality: Close Quarters Combat, Aerial Assault, Jungle warfare. Founder: Menes Kalliston ----- New Successor concept for you all. Order of the Sword Successor: Sons of Cernunnos Colours: Forest Green with Brown tribal markings. Heraldry: A great Stag's head in White. War Cry: "An Hunt Tosaíonn!" (The Hunt Begins!) Homeworld: Blest Speciality: Highly mobile firepower, Bike Squads, Librarians. Founder: Zahariel "Seer of the Wilds." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Solar Tigers Successors: The Astartes HospitillarsFleet basedColours: White with green trim, backpacks and helmets, Iconography: A green Templar cross with serpents entwined the vertical sectionsFormed by those Solar tigers who after the Heresy desired to aid the people of the imeperium in the gene sires ideals, rather then focusing one rebuilding the Prospero system and to avenge themselves on the traitors, (So the majority of the proactive members of the legion in the scouring analogue).Divided into "Great hospitallaries". Focus on landspeeders and rapid insertion craft more so then their founding legion, limited tank pool with many Hospitallaries having none. Developed the Land Speeder Ageis, a javelin vairent designed for transport rather then heavy weapons.Founder: Phosis T'karrM41: High Measters Azreal and Senbi.Whilst we the Black watch for the Templar equivalent, this is an idea for wandering/diffused legion/chapter that went down the hospitallar way rather then Templar road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I'm a sad panda. No successors for me :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I'm a sad panda. No successors for me :( Aww, cheer up you blasphemous fiery heretic you, you could always come up with splinter warbands instead of successor chapters. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 I'm a sad panda. No successors for me :( Aww, cheer up you blasphemous fiery heretic you, you could always come up with splinter warbands instead of successor chapters. :D Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Infernal Guard Warband - The Basilisk's Claws Lead by Nathanial Garro, aka the Basilisk Symbol: Lizard head - red Armour: black, brass trim, red/orange eyes Formed from the Vorlaren under Garro. Specialise is stealth attacks, emerging from the shadows to butcher all in their path. Focus attacks on governance of imperial systems. Often herald larger Firestorm Crusades of the Infernal Guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 I've actually been, slowly, working on a list of Warbands and Successors for each of the Legions. Basically, in the case of those that are not under my purview, these are DIYs that allow me to play in all of your backyards. They're all using my own canon DIYs to provide the backbone. What I did is use the canon DIY's gene-seed source to determine the home world of their alternate's gene-seed source. So the War Consuls are a Ultramarine Successor, which makes their alternate a Celestial Lion Successor. It's nowhere near complete, a lot of them are just names, but since the topic is up, why not post them? Corax's Coup Imperial Successors Celestial Lions - War Lions The War Lions are a Successor of the Celestial Lions who retained a fair bit of their tribal roots. Among their primitive people, it is a sign of a great warrior and leader to tame one of the great leonine beasts, and to use them in battle. Emperor's Children - Iron Hunters Millennial/Cerrux Clan Not sure what else to do with them, other than giving them an Immortal whose personality may or may not be linked to the Winchesters. Executioners - Dark Slayers At the moment, they are just a name. The basic idea of them is that they are a Successor fiercely proud of its heritage and it’s inherent ‘rightness,’ which is beginning to be challenged and doubted. First Legion - Midus Consulate I’m still not sure if the First Legion is going to break up into Consulates (multiple Cohorts) or into Cohorts. At the moment, I am leaning towards Cohorts, but former Consulates are now more similar to canon groups like the Maelstrom Warders, Astartes Praeses, and Ace’s own fanon group whose name I can’t recall right now. Hydra Legion - Sons of Iphicles Iphicles is the Greek name for Hercules’ twin. With Etiamnus being the father of the Hydra Legion, it seemed fitting to choose a lesser twin, and I chose Hercules’ twin because of the mythological connection between the Hydra, Cerberus and Hercules’ labours. Imperial Hounds - Sea Dogs/Garmriakis Squadron Before Europe started calling them sharks, they called them Sea Dogs (according to Wiki). Their true name is the Garmriakis, loosely translated as the Houndsharks, so named for they travel and hunt in packs, and are often seen following human ships. In reality, I merged the word Garmr with Triakis. Garmr is the Hound of Hel in Viking mythology, and Triakis is the scientific name for a certain type of dog shark. Iron Hoplites - Gladiators of Hybernis The word ‘gladiator’ apparently means swordsman, specifically one who wields a gladius. Hybernis is Latin for winter. Seemed fitting for an Iron Hoplite successor themed off the Winter Court swordsman. Orders of the Sword - Order of the Sovereign Seers I am seeing an Order that focuses on using its gift to manage the governance of that which is under its purview. Solar Tigers - Dragoons Vitae There will be life. Whether you want it or not, life will find a way. Corax's Coup Chaos Warbands and Renegades Angels - Nam Uggae, Choir of the Red Creed Kind of feel like I’m doing a huge self-insert here, as this is essentially a modified version of one of my own DIYs, taking the place of the hugely important canon Chapter of the Serrated Sun. Slightly similar background, neglected and underequipped. Reason the Nam Uggae are treated so is because the mythological element they have adopted as their icon, the Red Creed, is a rather apocraphyl one. The whole fusion thing is going to be merged with the Epic of Gilgamesh to provide them with some life. Astral Wolves - Blood Ghosts NNNNNO IDEA. Cerberus Legion - The One-Handed (Tyr) While reading up on Garmr the Hel Hound, I came across Tyr. I haven’t got anything for them right now, but I do know I want that incredibly arrogant, superior, and ultimately flawed, god to be their muse. Chainsworn - The Eyes of Corax Nothing but a name right now. Infernal Guard - Fire Bearers Nothing but a name right now. Minotaurs - Brazen Bulls Flesh is weak, but pain is FREAKING AWESOME warband. Name might be a bit too obvious, considering a simple google search of that name will lead you right to where I’m getting inspiration. Red Corsairs - Honoured Brethren Known to masquerade as an Imperial Hounds’ Squadron, before opening fire on their supposed allies in terrible broadsides. Sons of Barabbas - Dusk Scavengers Terrible name is terrible, got nothing else though. White Scars - Black Dragons Imagine canon Black Dragons. With superpowers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 What I did is use the canon DIY's gene-seed source to determine the home world of their alternate's gene-seed source. So the War Consuls are a Ultramarine Successor, which makes their alternate a Celestial Lion Successor. It's nowhere near complete, a lot of them are just names, but since the topic is up, why not post them? Sounds like a good system, plus it could work for incorporating CC-verse versions of canon Chapters, for example: the Lamenters. In the canon, a Blood Angels successor, so by your method they would be Executioners successors in the Corax Coup. The one problem with using it like this is that several of the Legions in this universe have circumstances that prevent them from having successors or limit how those successors are represented. The Blackened Fists were wiped out and any possible survivors are said to have formed the Blackwatch, so no real chance of successors there. The First Legion and their "successors" are basically one in the same when it comes to identity; the descendant chapters have no names of their own and are simply labeled (insert planet name here) Cohort/Consulate. The Hydra Legion (or whatever they're called now) last I checked, their loyalty and status are kind of WIP at the moment, we know the Brothers fought, one died the other joined Chaos but I don't recall it saying if the loyal half of the Legion was wiped out or they survived, if so did they rejoin the Imperials? Would they even be allowed successors in that situation? Orders of the Sword - Order of the Sovereign Seers I am seeing an Order that focuses on using its gift to manage the governance of that which is under its purview. That reminds me, do you think all Order of the Sword successors would have the "Order of" bit at the start of their names ala Sisters of Battle or would it just be a similarity of name? Solar Tigers - Dragoons Vitae There will be life. Whether you want it or not, life will find a way. Noble warriors led by their Chapter Master Ian Malcolm. White Scars - Black Dragons Imagine canon Black Dragons. With superpowers! http://www.quickmeme.com/img/29/29db411914f980415f23fad69311c356278a6ab55117f4e7d939da2a934d4c4a.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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