I still think they seem silly. I'll stick with my phosphex and rad weaponry
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Iron Hands Tactics
#26
Posted 29 October 2013 - 05:05 PM

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#27
Posted 29 October 2013 - 09:15 PM


Simple. The Iron Warriors are a battered and dented vintage AK-47. Iron Hands are a modern factory fresh FN SCAR, with every piece of tech possible hooked to it. Both will kill you stone-dead, but one's a lot prettier while it's killin'.
#28
Posted 29 October 2013 - 10:00 PM

Excluding my bitterness, how do you expect to use them? Are they worth it over normal/Chosen Terminators?
One question...is there a colour scheme for the pre-Ferrus Iron Hands...the Storm thingmabobs?
Edited by Sevatar, 30 October 2013 - 12:24 PM.
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#29
Posted 29 October 2013 - 10:08 PM

I'll be using them as my forefront terminators (unless we do get Morlocks) although I think it was mentioned somewhere that all Gorgons are Morlocks but not all Morlocks are Gorgons (I kinda hope it's the other way around tbh) but we shall see... These guys will be shielding (and hopefully blinding) anyone trying to get to my Praetor or Iron Father and generally working BG duties.
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Simple. The Iron Warriors are a battered and dented vintage AK-47. Iron Hands are a modern factory fresh FN SCAR, with every piece of tech possible hooked to it. Both will kill you stone-dead, but one's a lot prettier while it's killin'.
#30
Posted 30 October 2013 - 09:03 AM

The Gorgons do get FNP5+, which is nice. However it's a bit annoying that the Blind effects of their power fields affect both friend and foe..
It would seem that the best way to deploy them would be via teleport, deep behind enemy lines, in order to minimise harm to your own units.
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#31
Posted 30 October 2013 - 11:59 AM

Simple. The Iron Warriors are a battered and dented vintage AK-47. Iron Hands are a modern factory fresh FN SCAR, with every piece of tech possible hooked to it. Both will kill you stone-dead, but one's a lot prettier while it's killin'.
#32
Posted 30 October 2013 - 12:25 PM

It's a well known fact among the Primarchs that nobody can defeat Guilliman with his back on the ground. Not Kor Phaeron, not Alpha Legion assassins...
Angron and Curze are only lucky he was awake. If he was on his back, it's time they had the big sleep.
#33
Posted 30 October 2013 - 12:54 PM

Simple. The Iron Warriors are a battered and dented vintage AK-47. Iron Hands are a modern factory fresh FN SCAR, with every piece of tech possible hooked to it. Both will kill you stone-dead, but one's a lot prettier while it's killin'.
#34
Posted 30 October 2013 - 01:57 PM

Yep. Still, I dream for T5, W2, WS5, 2+/4++ Morlock/Gorgons. I would love a Terminator/Centurion hybrid......Well that's something - still wish they had 2W but ohwell - by the sounds of it they can handle themselves okay but will be torn apart by Firedrakes or Red Butchers...
Anyhow, what is the point of the Immortals? For 2 points more you are getting negligible 6+ FNP, and Gun Them Down (which seems pretty bad - why couldn't it be at full BS!) Barring the awesome models, Breaching Squads simply seem so much better, especially in 20 man squads, since with the points difference you can basically buy an Apothecary.
Edited by Sevatar, 30 October 2013 - 01:57 PM.
It's a well known fact among the Primarchs that nobody can defeat Guilliman with his back on the ground. Not Kor Phaeron, not Alpha Legion assassins...
Angron and Curze are only lucky he was awake. If he was on his back, it's time they had the big sleep.
#35
Posted 30 October 2013 - 03:12 PM

What do you guys think of a PoTL force 4x10 Cataphractii, 2x20 Breachers, 2x3 Contemptors led by a Autek Mor and another Iron Father in Cataphractii.
Simple. The Iron Warriors are a battered and dented vintage AK-47. Iron Hands are a modern factory fresh FN SCAR, with every piece of tech possible hooked to it. Both will kill you stone-dead, but one's a lot prettier while it's killin'.
#36
Posted 30 October 2013 - 03:35 PM

It's nice that they can all take Volkite Chargers, albeit for a fee, but their rules don't seem to cut the mustard.
RE: the above list: That looks intimidating. How many points though? You'd need some damn good weapons on those Contemptors as they'll be doing the bulk of your anti-tank shooting. A few Graviton Guns in the Breachers might be worth it if they'll be staying still (Haywire).
Edited by Emperors Teeth, 30 October 2013 - 03:40 PM.
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#37
Posted 30 October 2013 - 03:40 PM

Well to be fair they are still just a suicide unit and their price isn't THAT much cheaper. Rule of cool is the name of the game on this one for me. I'll be taking a full 20 man squad of these bad boys to lead the front. (sooner or later)
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#38
Posted 30 October 2013 - 06:28 PM

Not sure on the points as yet as aside from the Praetor in Cata and 2 contemptors I've only got 20 Cata termies atm - I'll sort a list and post it up for ideas


Simple. The Iron Warriors are a battered and dented vintage AK-47. Iron Hands are a modern factory fresh FN SCAR, with every piece of tech possible hooked to it. Both will kill you stone-dead, but one's a lot prettier while it's killin'.
#39
Posted 30 October 2013 - 08:48 PM

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#40
Posted 03 November 2013 - 02:40 PM

Hi guys
lots of interesting topics being covered…
I'd like to pick your brains for input into an armored list I'm building - it lands at roughly 2000 points.
HQ: Praetor, cataphractii, cyber familiar, paragorn, combi bolter, trait : PotL
Troops: 7 Cataphractii, 1 plasma blaster + CF, 2 x combiplas + PF, 1 twin LC, 1 power sword, 1 power axe
Troops: 7 Cataphractii, 1 plasma blaster + CF, 2 x combiplas + PF, 1 twin LC, 1 power sword, 1 power axe
Troops: 5 Cataphractii, 1 reaper autocannon + chainfist, 2 axes, 2 swords
Heavy: Sicaran, Heavy bolter sponsons (armoured ceramite? havent bought the book yet)
Heavy: Land raider proteus, armoured ceramite
Heavy: Spartan, flare shield, armoured ceramite
Heavy: Spartan, flare shield, armoured ceramite
Small and compact army that has great mobility and packs a monstrous punch. Initially i had 4 squads of 5 terminators, but i decided to beef up 2 squads and exchange an LR phobos for another spartan(they are monsters!)..
What do you guys think of this list? Mainly intended to fight other Heresy armies...
#41
Posted 04 November 2013 - 08:21 PM

I was having a look through the rules in massacre and was wondering how worthwhile it would be to have a unit of Castellax with a praetor attached. I was planning on running a foot slogging list, using the Castellax to help shield the praetor before getting into combat.
#42
Posted 04 November 2013 - 08:56 PM

I take it you are using the Spartans as transport options for the Cataphractii, rather than as heavy support choices, since you have too many.Hi guys
lots of interesting topics being covered…
I'd like to pick your brains for input into an armored list I'm building - it lands at roughly 2000 points.
HQ: Praetor, cataphractii, cyber familiar, paragorn, combi bolter, trait : PotL
Troops: 7 Cataphractii, 1 plasma blaster + CF, 2 x combiplas + PF, 1 twin LC, 1 power sword, 1 power axe
Troops: 7 Cataphractii, 1 plasma blaster + CF, 2 x combiplas + PF, 1 twin LC, 1 power sword, 1 power axe
Troops: 5 Cataphractii, 1 reaper autocannon + chainfist, 2 axes, 2 swords
Heavy: Sicaran, Heavy bolter sponsons (armoured ceramite? havent bought the book yet)
Heavy: Land raider proteus, armoured ceramite
Heavy: Spartan, flare shield, armoured ceramite
Heavy: Spartan, flare shield, armoured ceramite
Small and compact army that has great mobility and packs a monstrous punch. Initially i had 4 squads of 5 terminators, but i decided to beef up 2 squads and exchange an LR phobos for another spartan(they are monsters!)..
What do you guys think of this list? Mainly intended to fight other Heresy armies...
I make your list 2049, so either 49 points over or possible 201pts under.
If you are going for a 2250 list then I would suggest frag assault launchers on each if your land raiders, and the rest turning the proteus into a spartan and upping the number of models in your third unit, or possible find a way to include a second sicaran.
Either way it is a nice looking combat assault force.
EDIT: I would also swap the reaper for a third plasma blaster. They are much more in your face weapons, and you already have the sicaran and 6 quad las cannons to deal with armour.
Edited by spu00sed, 04 November 2013 - 09:10 PM.
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#43
Posted 05 November 2013 - 08:46 AM

Thanks for the input spu00sed..
You're naturally correct in that the spartans are transports for the two large cata-squads. Thanks for the points in put - i guess i have to toss some stuff overboard, as the list is designed for 2000.
I took the autocannon because i had run out of plasma blasters and the squad is going in the proteus which lacks the assault ramp. The idea for this squad is to go with the sicaran and provide a stabile firebase for the two large assault squads and then zoom in and grab objectives at the end of the game. I felt that an autocannon was better suited for this task.
Thanks for the 2250 input - my idea was to go for 2500 instead and toss in a Typhon to deal with mass infantry armies
#44
Posted 20 November 2013 - 12:06 PM

Breacher Sergeants, give him artificer armor and he has 2+/5++ with a 4++ in close combat. Give him a lightning claw or a power fist and this bad boy can go toe to toe with a Centurion almost no problem. I would say lightning claw would be best but that's because I plan on taking lascutters for my special weapons. I mean seriously, essentially 4 powerfists in a 20 man squad is pretty devastating.
Quick question: Whats the attraction with Lascutters? They look pretty useless to me on paper, as they only attack at WS1.
Am I missing something?
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- Shadrak Meduson, Warleader of Clan Sorrgul.
Urza's Anvilarium - My Heresy-Era 'Iron Hands' Xth Legion Blog.
#45
Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:47 PM


Simple. The Iron Warriors are a battered and dented vintage AK-47. Iron Hands are a modern factory fresh FN SCAR, with every piece of tech possible hooked to it. Both will kill you stone-dead, but one's a lot prettier while it's killin'.
#46
Posted 21 November 2013 - 10:35 AM

I guess if you have a 20-Man Breacher Squad you could take 4 Lascutters, which greatly increases the chances of hitting something, but they still seem pretty rubbish compared against the likes of Graviton Guns, Meltaguns or Volkite Chargers.
Edited by Urza, 26 November 2013 - 12:23 PM.
- Ferrus Manus, The Gorgon, Lord & Primarch of the Xth Legion Iron Hands.
"Give me my hand, Gorgonson. Make me whole so that one day soon I might close my fists around the throat of Horus Lupercal and choke him until his filthy light goes out"
- Shadrak Meduson, Warleader of Clan Sorrgul.
Urza's Anvilarium - My Heresy-Era 'Iron Hands' Xth Legion Blog.
#47
Posted 23 November 2013 - 10:19 AM

Gorgons on the other hand I'm a fan of. The key is to remember that they aren't an especially elite unit, they're simply normal terminators with different gear. Don't compare them to Firedrakes and so on. From that perspective, they're terminators with enhanced resilience (FNP) and a neat Blind effect that hurts the enemy more than you. They also have slightly different equipment options that seem roughly equal to standard Terminators. Finally they are 5 points more per model and have -1 initiative, which is hardly noticeable as they all carry unwieldy weapons anyway.
With the Iron Hands Legion benefit and the 5+ FNP, shooting is a minimized problem. Once you're face to face the enemy will be faced with the Blind effect, which can be enhanced by shining a small pen light into your opponents face over and over like a deranged disco ball. I wouldn't say Gorgons are distinctly better than other Termies, but they're fluffier so in my book they're a win.
I'm sure we'll get Morlocks in the next book.
Edited by Icarus1138, 23 November 2013 - 10:20 AM.
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#48
Posted 23 December 2013 - 08:20 PM

Ive just purchased the start of my army today so will be trying to contribute to this thread. Its taken a while for me to decide on a legion but ive finally made up my mind. Really looking forward to this project.
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#50
Posted 24 December 2013 - 09:46 PM

Also, remember that cyber familiars can be taken by all characters, so a cataphractii command squad can get a 3+ invul. Throw in an apothecary and now you have some very elite terminators.
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