Grand Master Aldric Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Hello, there has been some talk about Goto making up stuff that is not canon. Well I have made this topic to talk about his books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefect Apollyon Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Khorne Sorcerers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Aldric Posted November 23, 2013 Author Share Posted November 23, 2013 Khorne Sorcerers. What? Khorne hates sorcerers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 exactly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrus Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 In one book, Eldar Prophecy I think, Goto states that Ahra is the same person as Karandras. Totally wrong and to be honest Goto isn't that good a writer either, in general I mean not just making stuff at random Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Aldric Posted November 23, 2013 Author Share Posted November 23, 2013 In one book, Eldar Prophecy I think, Goto states that Ahra is the same person as Karandras. Totally wrong and to be honest Goto isn't that good a writer either, in general I mean not just making stuff at random Well I just read that book and neither of the appeared who ever they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Every forum I've been on has seen Goto threads closed or banned. Let's see how this goes. There's a reason Goto doesn't write for BL anymore. Since you've just read Eldar Prophecy, did you notice that one of the main characters got 3 arms cut off? One near the middle, then his other two arms near the end of the book? Also: Terminators with multilasers, which convert to assault cannons, doing backflips etc. I think I read a snippet of an interview with Goto where he said that he takes the names and the imagery of a universe, then just does his own thing. EDIT: Technically, all of C.S. Goto's work is cannon. It all happened, somewhere in the universe. It just goes against a lot of other things that have been written about stuff. Like biology and physics. That said, I believe Chris Wraight in Battle of the Fang has some Wolf Guard terminators nimbly climbing up an elevator shaft. My only golly gee? moment in an otherwise excellent book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Aldric Posted November 23, 2013 Author Share Posted November 23, 2013 Referring to Scilti? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 I've never read any of his books, however just based on what I've heard from others I plan to never pick up one of those ghastly tomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Aldric Posted November 23, 2013 Author Share Posted November 23, 2013 I've never read any of his books, however just based on what I've heard from others I plan to never pick up one of those ghastly tomes. Filthy heretic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 blood hounds, on 23 Nov 2013 - 01:17, said: Referring to Scilti? Posibly, it's well over 5 years since I've read the book, I think it's the main characters rival that it happens to. Yea, I had my copy to hand: p184 - Scilti gets an arm cut off by a dire avenger exarch p355 Scilti gets an arm cut off p356 Scilti gets his third and final arm cut off. You'd think the Eldar would be a bit more aware of such rampant mutations on a craftworld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Aldric Posted November 23, 2013 Author Share Posted November 23, 2013 blood hounds, on 23 Nov 2013 - 01:17, said: Referring to Scilti? Posibly, it's well over 5 years since I've read the book, I think it's the main characters rival that it happens to. Yea, I had my copy to hand: p184 - Scilti gets an arm cut off by a dire avenger exarch p355 Scilti gets an arm cut off p356 Scilti gets his third and final arm cut off. You'd think the Eldar would be a bit more aware of such rampant mutations on a craftworld. Strange indeed well I guess everybody make mistakes. Whatever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 I've been reading the Dawn of War omnibus, and so far it's Okay so far. I kinda like the idea of Khorne Sorcerers...pyromancy and biomancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 To be fair, he did write a surprisingly good short story for the Mantis Warriors: The Trial of the Mantis Warriors in Legends of the Space Marines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Actually, as long as they used blood magick, they'd be in the clear. Case in point, the Blood Witches of the Blood Pact. Biggest example is in the novel, Blood Pact. And I don't recall anything ever saying Sindri was Khornate, just that he was allied to a Khorne lord. The DoW series wasn't too bad. Granted, they didn't follow the games and the games just kind of glanced over them, but hey, its not like GW never did that. I thought Scilti had gotten a replacement arm at one point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefect Apollyon Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 I've been reading the Dawn of War omnibus, and so far it's Okay so far. I kinda like the idea of Khorne Sorcerers...pyromancy and biomancy. Double heresy. Please report to your local Berserker cult. Or to Khârn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 I've been reading the Dawn of War omnibus, and so far it's Okay so far. I kinda like the idea of Khorne Sorcerers...pyromancy and biomancy. Double heresy. Please report to your local Berserker cult. Or to Khârn. Blood Pact, by Dan Abnett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 To be fair, he did write a surprisingly good short story for the Mantis Warriors: The Trial of the Mantis Warriors in Legends of the Space Marines. Absolutely right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 One of the goto moments I enjoyed was the little guardsman lad being transformed into a marine in the DoW series, even the leaping off a tank and stabbing an ork. Shades of convict in predators on rereads/watch. Imenjoy suspension of disbelief :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 And then that Guardsman got wormy fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Little did they know he would be known as wormfingers becoming the 40k version of saladfingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malus Trux Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 To be fair, he did write a surprisingly good short story for the Mantis Warriors: The Trial of the Mantis Warriors in Legends of the Space Marines. Absolutely right! I concur as well. If he had done novels of this caliber he'd still be writing for black library. Too little too late though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Carnelian Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 The Trial of the Mantis Warriors still ranks as one of my favorite pieces of power-armored fiction of all time. It perfectly encapsulates what duty means to these posthumans and how they view themselves in failure, something we almost never see in the Warhammer 40,000 universe. I take more umbridge with CS Goto's books being bad than violating aspects of canon. Telling a good story comes first. Unfortunately, he never really told a good story in his novels so the canon conflicts become more noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 For me it was his seemingly complete lack of knowledge when it came to the established canon, combined with a turgid and uninspired writing style that made reading his novels feel like wading through treacle. Being able to create an acceptable short story, but fail utterly when writing anything of substance, does not make for a good writer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Being able to create an acceptable short story, but fail utterly when writing anything of substance, does not make for a good writer. It makes his sins as a writer worse in my opinion as it shows he had the ability to write for the setting well but never put it to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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