Frater Cornelius Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Yes, of cause all Chapter can use everything. However, every Chapter has his ethos. There's a reason why SW are not involved in Death from the Skies and the rumours say that the new SW will have no fliers. SW dislike teleportation and flying and prefer fighting/going to war on their own to feet. This is how Russ wanted to fight them. This is why I am a bit iffy about fliers for SW, but hey, Maybe they changed their mind^^ But SW were included in Death from the Skies - just not a flyer. There are rules in that book for the special upgrades that SW pilots can get. I have not heard rumors from anything approaching a "reliable" source that SW will not get flyers - just people speculating on the forums. I think SW definitely will get flyers. >>BS5? That's a special rule of the formation - the Storm Raven gets the Strafing Run rule (Storm Talons already have it). Was in fact some of faeit 212 sources. Maybe it's just BS and we will get flying scoring super wolves with jetpacks that shoot smaller wolves out of wolf shaped canons. But, you know, just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigvard Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Oooooooh just imagine Wolf Wing Formation - Storm Wolf - Fang Cannon and Wolfstrike Missiles and Power of the Machine Wolf and Wolfing Run and also the - Wolf Talon Gun Ship - with Twin Wolfed Las-Fangs However if we are to look at Space Wolves don't like fliers thing logically. We play Space Wolves because they are effectively big angry space vikings. If we apply the Space Wolf no flier logic that is had to Iron Age Vikings we would get this - Snow fell on Olaf as he dragged the longship down to the beach, getting himself ready for a much needed session of pillaging, he breath steaming in the cold nordic air and the ice cold water biting at his feet through his boots. It was then he heard a voice from the top of the beach. "Olaf what are doing with that boat, don't you know we fight with our feet firmly on the ground as King Russ intended." With that voice echoing in the collective mind the Viking Race died out and conquered nothing as they chose not to use boats to get anywhere.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif-thunderstand Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 To Valerian : ooops. That was a shot to myself. :-( Sorry for my stupidness on that (seems i become old) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif-thunderstand Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Russ is a old nordic word for row. Russians are named so cause they loved to row. Row,row,row your boat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Oooooooh just imagine Wolf Wing Formation - Storm Wolf - Fang Cannon and Wolfstrike Missiles and Power of the Machine Wolf and Wolfing Run and also the - Wolf Talon Gun Ship - with Twin Wolfed Las-Fangs However if we are to look at Space Wolves don't like fliers thing logically. We play Space Wolves because they are effectively big angry space vikings. If we apply the Space Wolf no flier logic that is had to Iron Age Vikings we would get this - Snow fell on Olaf as he dragged the longship down to the beach, getting himself ready for a much needed session of pillaging, he breath steaming in the cold nordic air and the ice cold water biting at his feet through his boots. It was then he heard a voice from the top of the beach. "Olaf what are doing with that boat, don't you know we fight with our feet firmly on the ground as King Russ intended." With that voice echoing in the collective mind the Viking Race died out and conquered nothing as they chose not to use boats to get anywhere.... Bro, that was simply legendary :D This Wolf is strong with this one. Personally, I equate my longships more with rhinos and space ships, less with flier. But I suppose you have a point. You can't do enough choppa if you have no means to get there... even though I think some of you take it a bit too literal ;) (I mean I said prefer, it does not mean they don't do it all)^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 The only thing that makes me sad about this is that we can't embark troops or dreads onto the raven as we are not from the right codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail187 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 tbh it feel i do ok with out the flyers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 This whilst nice makes me glad I play 30k - "hey you, storm raven - meet my friends storm eagle and fire raptor" hehehe :) but seriously it is nice for us to have something that many wolves bought and now can use :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 This whilst nice makes me glad I play 30k - "hey you, storm raven - meet my friends storm eagle and fire raptor" hehehe :) but seriously it is nice for us to have something that many wolves bought and now can use :p *sorry if double post - on mobile* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Even if it is ugly as sin, We now have the ability for flyers.. and I am a happy wolf camper! Immersturm, on 05 Dec 2013 - 11:07, said: stinkenheim, on 05 Dec 2013 - 08:28, said: Immersturm, on 05 Dec 2013 - 06:26, said: Well, we could have just allied with SM before and get those fliers. Also, although that's just my opinion, I am not the biggest fan of the Storm Raven. Hell yeah, I am gonna get one when I decide to try out SM codex, but not my premier choice. Nonetheless, I am happy that SW can get fliers without allied tax. I just don't find it very fluffy^^ How is it not fluffy?They are marines, they should have access to all the equipment a codex army has. Land raider crusaders, Achilles, Helios, predator annihilators, land speeder tempests. All were developed by different chapters and yet all are used by every marine army to a greater or lesser extent. It stands to reason that in the fang, amongst the Leann Russ tanks, we also have storm talons/ravens lurking away. We can't always get planet side with only thunder hawks and pods. Yes, of cause all Chapter can use everything. However, every Chapter has his ethos. There's a reason why SW are not involved in Death from the Skies and the rumours say that the new SW will have no fliers. SW dislike teleportation and flying and prefer fighting/going to war on their own to feet. This is how Russ wanted to fight them. This is why I am a bit iffy about fliers for SW, but hey, Maybe they changed their mind^^ Dude... are you kidding me or are you just lacking in the reading comprehension category, that you have some how gathered from the ONE entry in the Space Wolves codex, that was in the context of teleportation.. that Space Wolves do not fly and only fight with their feet on the ground. The Space Wolves are one of the most Elite of all of the Chapters, a Chapter the Emperor himself uses to keep tabs on those that go against the fringe from time to time, a Chapter the codex explicitly says uses what ever is necessary to get the job done... how in the world do you come to the conclusion that they would not fly in combat. TBH aircraft and the rapid strike, small unit, special operations/unconventional warfare go hand and hand because it is usually hard to deploy heavy support vehicles so rapidly. Aircraft err.. *Flyers* are the best options to support boots on the ground in any fight where heavier weapons and precision strikes are necessary. It is completely in keeping with the Space Wolves 'ethos' And as another poster added... Space Wolves are in Death From the Skies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Having to buy those fugly fliers, id get a fire raptor for that money, dont care if its better, it looks better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Having to buy those fugly fliers, id get a fire raptor for that money, dont care if its better, it looks better Funny bit is that the Fire Raptor IS better, by far that the Storm Raven - it has the potential to knock out 3 flyers in 1 turn due to it's sponsons being independent fire, plus they can be lascannons and lastly ofcs the Avenger Bolt Cannon (twin-linked iirc) is rather nice... All for a much nicer model, a dedicated gunship and about the same cost pts/cash wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Russ Brother 92, on 06 Dec 2013 - 08:07, said: Max_Dammit, on 06 Dec 2013 - 05:44, said: Having to buy those fugly fliers, id get a fire raptor for that money, dont care if its better, it looks better Funny bit is that the Fire Raptor IS better, by far that the Storm Raven - it has the potential to knock out 3 flyers in 1 turn due to it's sponsons being independent fire, plus they can be lascannons and lastly ofcs the Avenger Bolt Cannon (twin-linked iirc) is rather nice... All for a much nicer model, a dedicated gunship and about the same cost pts/cash wise.All true, but I think it's quite a bit more cash to dish out. Than the SR kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I was meaning the formation so 2 Talons + 1 Raven must be nearing 80 quid - 1 Raptor is 95 - but yeah swings & roundabouts really... The raven CAN still be beastly, my mate used one to great effect yesterday blatting daemons :d the beauty of it being that flyers hit other flyers on BS as opposed to 6s (whilst flying ofcs - if they hover it's 6s) so very useful when you've got a flying bloodthirster & daemon prince running towards you. With the mark up to BS5 vs ground/skimmer units it makes them even better, I'd certainly enjoy BS5 twin-linked ACs, Hurricane Bolters & Multi-Melta :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif-thunderstand Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I am looking forward for the next thing i'll buy. I actualy never used any fliers on my own. Not for any army. Untill next time. For those who still belive fliers dont suit Space Wolves: To me it suits enought, they will be my first army with such :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 If it is fluffy not to use flyers in combat because that isn't as Russ intended, I will just point to the several 30k references where Russ disembarks from a flyer such as Prospero Burns and A Thousand Sons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dropped my axe Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 They are actually also refered to as the sky warriors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I find it amazing that finally Space Wolves have a legitimate option for their own flyer options and people are still complaining. Who cares if you can put troops in them. Kit them out right abs once you have annialated any Helldrakes you might encounter you can wipe the floor with your enemies ground units. AV12 on a flyer with a MM and AC is dirty against other flyers Who was complaining? I saw an observation being made but not a complaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastHuzzah Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 No no no, you guys have got it all wrong. What the fluff , previous & current Space Wolves codexes (codecii? ) neglect tell you is that SW actually terraform the cargo bays of their ships. It makes the non-genetically engineered superhuman wolves more "comfy". So, even when Russ was enroute to a planet, he had his feet firmly on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Flyers finally? Say it ain't so!!! What's next????? Flakk missiles for our Long Fangs? GW has not FAQ'D us over???? Oh, by the way, Death From the Skies does have SW on the charts, they just did not give us any flyers in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logun Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Flyers finally? Say it ain't so!!! What's next????? Flakk missiles for our Long Fangs? GW has not FAQ'D us over???? Oh, by the way, Death From the Skies does have SW on the charts, they just did not give us any flyers in it. i'll tell you whats next, the bloody tau formation also. seems you can now have a couple of broadsides and a riptide without the HQ/troops tax. this game is getting broke broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigvard Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 I find it amazing that finally Space Wolves have a legitimate option for their own flyer options and people are still complaining. Who cares if you can put troops in them. Kit them out right abs once you have annialated any Helldrakes you might encounter you can wipe the floor with your enemies ground units. AV12 on a flyer with a MM and AC is dirty against other flyers Who was complaining? I saw an observation being made but not a complaint. I may have been slightly over zealous with that post.There was only one post sayinh the Storm Raven wasn't that great and Talons were pointless. In light of that I posted a light hearted and comical post to make up for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilmerlin Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Hey guys! We got ANOTHER option for flyers now! The mighty THUNDER HAWK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Does anyone know how many points the Stormwing formation is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dropped my axe Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 420 as base if you have the C:SM then thats all you need its all the same only units from C:SM can ride in the raven they cant use tactics the raven is the only one you role reserve for the talons just escort they are treated as allies but dont take up allied FOC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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