++ AUGUSTUS b'RAASS ++ pre-heresy BRASS SCORPION p.247

[Marius Perdo]

I hadn't seen this and came to have a look-see because KrautScientist's thread mentions yours.

I am now working backwards chronologically and you have done some very impressive stuff.

My main take-away is although you can flit when inspired you generally focus on squads and actually get them done. Thus so many impressive armies :)

I am going to try and emulate that and restrain myself so thanks for the inspiration.

I also still have thousands of posts to work back through in this thread and more gems to discover, which is nice whilst glue is drying.

Keep up the good work.

[Augustus b'Raass]

So after distracting myself with repurposing some khornate daemons, I thought I would work some more on the Nurgle Daemon prince, while I wait for parts for his Jump Pack to arrive. KrautScientist gave me a particularly interesting bit during his visit - a bear trap from some ogre kingdom kit. I immediately saw the potential in it, and today I worked out how to make it into an actual jaw:

 

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/mkruijff/Death%20Guard/temporary_zpsvnrbr11s.jpg

 

Now, it's time to firgue out how this will fit into a head. I have an idea of using the skull facemask of the Imperial Knight kit, something like this.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/mkruijff/Death%20Guard/temporary_zpsdennf5kf.jpg

 

But I'm not quite sure (partially because it's just a fraction too big to be perfectly proportioned to the Daemon Prince's body:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/mkruijff/Death%20Guard/temporary_zpssqiq0sst.jpg

 

What do you think? And if you have any other ideas, let me know!

Oh, and I also did some work on stripping and rebasing my old Bloodletters. These are now ready for primer. 

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http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/mkruijff/World%20Eaters/temporary_zpsuyoef5og.jpg

Cheers!
 

@ Eldrick Shadowlade: Hahaha! Agreed! DTTFE!

 

@ Daemon2027: That explains it. I'm slightly sad to hear I didn't find out the herald of a daemon incursion in ten years, but also kinda relieved. ;)

 

@ GreyRavenC: PVA, yeah. Pritt won't hold it, especially with the rough underground of latex. 

 

@ Biohazard: I had the above planned for his head. What do you think?

 

@ Marius Perdo: hey buddy! Welcome to y thread of things. I'm glad you were inspired by my stuff - that's about the best thing you can write to me :) I also love that you took a lesson away: stay focussed on as few projects at a time, and finish some before you move on to others. There's nothing more disheartening than an army of bare plastic soldiers. I prefer having to build some, then painting them, and so on. That way, the building and painting become rewards for the previous step - and you'll end up with different miniatures because you don't want to plough through everything. Cheers!

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

What about this Defiler mask?

 

http://i.imgur.com/68cmiMB.png

 

I'm not sure how it compares in size to the Knight mask but I'd think it would be a little bit smaller. Maybe trim away everything under the nose and meld it to the jaws like it's only covering the upper half of his face?

[The Traitor]

The Deflier mask would certainly be an option, but I think that mouth could look cool without a face, either by putting an smooth blob of greenstuff above with face like proportions... or letting the mouth BE the face (by simply putting it in where the head should be). I don't know, it's just a random idea that crossed my mind :P.

[malcharion]

I would have said the defiler mask too but then I thought of the Dark Eldar Cronos or Talos bitz witch could give some beautiful blind masque base to work on.

With mucus oozing by the holes .

Great work so far ;)

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

or letting the mouth BE the face 

 

http://i.imgur.com/Lqcze.gif

[Biohazard]

The Knight plate I think would look crazy oversized on the DP model, I've used that same bit to make jaws before as well and I'm still to find a use for them. Ha. Nice idea though.

 

That Skull Defiler mask is a fairly versatile bit, I've used it on a good few projects now. I'll send you a pm with a couple of my pics that might help spark some ideas if you'd like?

 

I do actually quite like BCKs idea of the jaw being the head. It brings to mind Guitarasmus greater Daemon and Soul Grinder. Both faceless monstrosities but still have the Nurgle feel.

[Sagentus]

I agree with the others, I think the Knight mask would be a bit to big for the dp. Hopefully a defiler mask would work as suggested. I'll scan gw tomorrow to see if I can find any other alternatives

[KrautScientist]

Hah! I would have expected you to turn that bit into shoulder pads for a World Eater, but an actual jaw? I love unexpected stuff like that ;)

 

While the idea of having the jaws *be* the face is pretty cool, I'd argue that it's always hard to relate to a character with a face like that. What I mean by that is that Daemon Princes are powerful and highly individual characters, and therefore I think they should actually read as characters, not just creepy crawly monsters -- but that's just my take, of course.

 

There is one Ogre Kingdoms helmet that comes to mind, and I know Biohazard has used it to great effect on one of his Daemon Princes. It's this one. It might work pretty well with the jaw ensemble as well. The Defiler mask seems like a sound option as well, although it would need some serious work so as not to look too pedestrian -- that bit gets used a lot, after all. What about splicing the new jaws onto the existing stock face, I wonder?

 

Anyway, looking forward to your next update! :)

[Augustus b'Raass]

Thanks, guys for the great replies and feedback. All food for thought. 

I initially thought about using that same head that BCK suggested, but seeing as that head is used a lot, including in the conversion I am basing my Daemon Prince on, I'm not particularly fond of it. In fact, I had two of them and gave them away because of that very reason!

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The idea of a faceless monster does appeal to me, but I fear that it'd make the DP into a faceless monster, like Kraut suggested. I also agree that the Knight head is a bit too big, so I disgarded the idea. The ogre kingdoms head Kraut suggested made me go on a bits finding mission, because I love it! Unfortunately all my usual bits sites have the item as sold out... :( (ut I did manage to find the Giant skaven Censer!) So I put out some tendrils on different Facebook pages, to see if someone is willing to help...

Another idea to ditch the Knight Faceplate and sculpt a head completely by myself, using Vallejo glass agitator balls as eyes! 

I a now looking at pictures on faceless monsters for inspiration:

 

 http://application.denofgeek.com/images/m/eyeless/004_Pitch_Black.jpg

 

Anyway, here's some replies!
 

@ BCK: Thanks for that suggestion, but yeah, I'm trying to stay away from that mask as it's far too generic. It also doesn't scram 'nurgle' to me.... 

 

@ The Traitor: An interesting thought indeed. It set me off on a tangent of creepy thoughts. Cheers!

 

@ malcharion: ALso interesting!! Wow I hadn't thought of those!

 

@BCK: I know right? It's a cool idea, which I'm exploring right now. :)

 

@ Biohazard: Please send the PM with pics, always good to have more inspiration! Thanks! 

 

@ Sagentus: The Knight mask is off the table! I'm looking forward to your ideas, today! :) Thanks!

@ KrautScientist: Ow diude, excellent idea. I've put out my feeler tendrils in several Dutch FB bits trading pages to get the head. I agree that the DP shouldn't be a faceless monster, but I'm still entirely convinced that eyeless automatically means 'he has no character', so I'm still exploring the idea. But your thoughts definitely made me aware of the fine line between the two. 

[Sagentus]

Hmm after looking on the GW website i think a good base for a faceless head might be the soulgrinder head. You could always extend the jaw and cover the eye with GS to get the desired effect

[Augustus b'Raass]

The soulgrinder head looks a bit too Slaaneshi to my tastes. I think I'm going for KrautScientist's suggested Ogre Kingdom head which a fellow local hobyist had laying around. I'll proibably slightly convert it, perhaps with the jaw. 

 

In other news, I finished repainting the first ten Bloodletters! I was a little hesitant to start this, particularly because I really make usre that paint sticks to my miniatures. But I'm calling this a success for sure! Twenty more to go. :D

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/mkruijff/World%20Eaters/temporary_zpsbh4mnbwt.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/mkruijff/World%20Eaters/temporary_zpsjuqvmpwh.jpg

 

I still love how creepy they look. 

 

Feedback more than welcome!

[Kordhal]

Those bloodletters are absolutely gorgeous! Am really excited to see what more you have in store for your daemon prince.

Edited July 16, 2017 by Kordhal

[The Traitor]

About the faceless head turning it into an unrelatable monster, I think that with the common use of the internet it is more and more frequent for us humans to stay anonymous, we chat in forums and sometimes even on social media with people which we don't know, and talk to them knowing that they don't know us either.... So, we actually can relate to a faceless being, we try (as a race) to be more faceless each day and thus, anonymity is spreading like a plague (this is where Nurgle comes in :P). Also, I like the creepy-as-hell smiley thin lifeless side of Nurgle much more than the disgusting and obese one, that's why I love so much the new poxwalkers, so him being a faceless monster as alien as possible to mankind is a very appealing concept to me for a nurgly DP.

Pd: lovely bloodletters.

[Augustus b'Raass]

Hurray! Tons of bits came in today for my Nurgle Daemon Prince: the exhausts for the jump pack, and the face!

 

I made a start with the jump pack:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/mkruijff/Death%20Guard/temporary_zpsdp7mo1hs.jpg

 

And tried on the Ogre face to the body of the Nurgle DP:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/mkruijff/Death%20Guard/temporary_zpsczmomics.jpg

and I am happy to find that it fits perfectly! Biohazard send me some pics of his work via PM, and I was much inspired by them - I'll probably be dremelling the lower jaw and hair away from that Ogre face, and replacing it with an opened Ork jaw.... OR! I could try the previous bear trap jaw.... 

 

Here's what I have planned. When I put the jump rockets next to the body, I noticed that they were a bit too big. So I'll probably cut more away from the plasma cannons' rear, about where I put the exhausts to the sides:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/mkruijff/Death%20Guard/temporary_zpseaj5bdkm.jpg

 

In other news, I managed to strip, repair, rebase and undercoat the second set of ten of a total of thirty bloodletters:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/mkruijff/World%20Eaters/temporary_zpsygbcbi5t.jpg

 

Thanks for looking. Ideas for the DP more than welcome!

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@ Kordhal: Thanks! Twenty more incoming ;) 

 

@ The Traitor: I agree with your reasoning (even if I don't fully agree with the premise of humans seeking anonymity) and found the nurgle twist amusing! 

[The Traitor]

Well, maybe you could fuse the helmet with the bear trap? Like greenstuff the upper part to the mask but make the lower jaw look organic, as if sprouting from bellow. Either way I think that the bear trap is the way to go, an ork jaw would look... Well, too ork :P. Also, though B&C is not the place to discuss about philosophy, it may be true that the desire for anonymity varies widely between different people, as some prefer to post photos of them and other personal info (which is fine, maybe a bit dangerous, but fine if you are mildly careful). And damn, now I want to make a half tore appart daemon reflecting this discrepance for my Malal army...

Returning to the topic, I like the idea of using the ectoplasm cannons as a base for the jet pack, but the "plasma" bit (the one that is present in every plasma weapon and is usually painted in a glowing blue) is too recognizable for my taste, but I'm sure it would be pretty easy to cover it.

I can't wait to see this model take shape, I have a soft spot for DP conversions, and yours is promising a lot!

[Vairocanum]

Wow that DP is going look fantastic, excited to see what you do for the jump rockets. Will you be going for a dynamic or static pose?

[rednekkboss]

That Ogre head is a neat base.  Meanwhile, you are cranking out bloodthirsters like a madman!

[Sagentus]

That face works perfectly can't wait to see which jaw you go for and I really can't wait to see how this model comes together.

 

As for the bloodletters they are coming along nicely and if they are painted like your last batch they will look ace!

[Augustus b'Raass]

Cheers, guys!

 

I did some work on the Jet Engines tpday - mostly getting the extra teeth in and test fitting the exhaust to the whole ensemble. Stuff is waiting to dry now, so I'll have to wait a couple of hours until both the glue and the greenstuff is dried enough to continue working on it. Here's what I got:

 

Teeth (using tyrannid claws)

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/mkruijff/Death%20Guard/temporary_zpsafpsuvmw.jpg

 

and the exhausts:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/mkruijff/Death%20Guard/temporary_zpslbjadndy.jpg

 

Lemme know what you think! I am very open to suggestions on how to secure them to his body... I was thinking about using the pistons in Defiler legs, but anything is possible at this point. 

 

Cheers!

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@ The Traitor: No worries, the plasma will be covered with all sorts of nasty nurgle stuff. Think of what rednekkboss does. 

 

@ Vairocanum: As dynamic as possible. he'll be swinging the massive skaven censer from the screaming bell kit, so that'd require a lot of momentum!

 

@ rednekkboss: Indeed I am! I've just secured basing the above guys :)

 

@ Sagentus: Unfrotunately the bear trap jaw is WAY too big for the face... I'll be going to have to sculpt a face, with a George Lucas-like nek. :)

[Eldrick Shadowblade]

what about the magma cutters from the forgefiend / mauler fiend kit... you have fleshy bits that meld into mechanical... with a little cutting you should have a nice transition...

[Biohazard]

That's coming along great bud. Those turbines are working well. The Defiler pistons would be a good shout. Like I said elsewhere the jaws I used were from the Savage orcs I'm sure. The Daemon Prince faces can be made to fit under there as well with enough dremelling. :tu:

[KrautScientist]

The Turbines seem to be coming along nicely. As for how to attach them to the body, parts from sentinel legs and/or the magma cutter arms from the Forgefiend kit come to mind.

 

Regarding the facemask, Boarboy jaws should also work rather nicely -- I remember Biohazard sending me some leftover ones from one of his DP conversions way back when.

 

Anyway, really looking forward to seeing this guy take shape!

[hushrong]

Holy holy holy!

 

Excuse me while I go run laps in my living room over how damn cool that Prince already is.

[Thousand Eyes]

The prince will be an interesting model for sure.

 

At the moment to me though the jump pack looks like it will be heavily oversized. But to each their own.