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30k Alpha Legion Tactics

MSU 30k Alpha legion

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With power fist you get an additional attack only if you have power dagger too which only sergeants can take (consequence of the specialist weapon rule). So since you will strike at initiative 1 anyway with either weapon, you might as well choose power fists for the much higher strength value, however, that will reduce your number of attacks too unless you have a power dagger which only the sergeant can take. So suddenly it is not a no-brainer to switch out the axes for fists. What is your take on the problem?

The way you phrased the emphasized bit makes it read like youre losing attacks by swapping from Axes to Fists, with or without power daggers when thats not the case.

 

Squad of 10 with axes has 21 Attacks (2x9 + 3); 31 attacks on the charge.

Squad of 10 with fists and a dagger on the harrower has 22 (2x9 + 4); 32 attacks on the charge.


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*snip*

With power fist you get an additional attack only if you have power dagger too which only sergeants can take (consequence of the specialist weapon rule). So since you will strike at initiative 1 anyway with either weapon, you might as well choose power fists for the much higher strength value, however, that will reduce your number of attacks too unless you have a power dagger which only the sergeant can take. So suddenly it is not a no-brainer to switch out the axes for fists. What is your take on the problem?

The way you phrased the emphasized bit makes it read like youre losing attacks by swapping from Axes to Fists, with or without power daggers when thats not the case.

 

 

 

Ok, I see that my wording sounds confusing.

 

So after read the "special weapon" rule, my understanding, and the point I'm making is that one don't lose an attack (compared to the characteristics statline), one just don't get the +1 additional attack since the weapon types don't match. So to summarize my point:

 

  • Volkite charger (assault 2 (not pistol))  + power axe (close combat weapon) -> no additional attack.
  • Volkite charger (assault 2 (not pistol)) + power/chainfist (specialist weapon) -> no additional attack
  • Volkite charger (assault 2 (not pistol)) + power/chainfist (specialist weapon) + power dagger (specialist weapon) -> +1 attack (since in this instance you have 2 or more weapons with the specialist weapon rule)

So have I interpreted the rules right or am I wrong?


Edited by Imren, 08 August 2019 - 02:02 PM.


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Thats how it breaks down, yes.

 

To be fair, its not something you really need to care about with Gun & Melee weapon termies due to Terminators, barring the exception of the Primus Medicae and his Needle Pistol, never having Pistol Weapons. So the only time you're ever going to see Termies with bonus attacks from weapons is when they have 2 Melee Weapons which is pretty much limited to Space Wolf Vargyr and World Eaters Red Butchers.


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Ok, thanks for the clarification! (I haven't played terminators since 2nd ed 40k in the late 90's).


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