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Bummer.

Is there anything or anyone i can take to improve my reserve roll reliability in a hammerfall strikeforce. I have a list planned out which i think will be very effective but I'm concerned about the force turning up piecemeal and being destroyed bit by bit.

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I love HF-SF, fluffy as it is, but it surely is sub-par in terms of advantages vs. disadvantages.

 

Increasing reserve manipulation is often done via vehicles (Damocles, Proteus, etc.) or fortifications.

Vehicles must start the game in reserves themselves under HF-SF, thus effectively being denied their advantages.

Fortifications are forbidden anyways.

 

Matter of factly, the only things deployable in HF-SF are artillery and infantry units.

And artillery spam can be fielded by almost any other list / concept as well. No need for HF-SF.

 

The only true bonus HF-SF grants to your forces is the shrouded / pinning  part upon DS'ing.

 

As Imperial Fists all your Terminator units (and attached ICs in TDA) can access DS anyways for the same price increase.

And if you really have to, you could DS one non-terminator infantry unit via Polux  Void Commander  trait.

Essentially making the HF-SF RoW as superfluous as a sunday morning hangover.

 

It's great for BS 5 infantry spam, sure. But that doesn't work to well in the tank-heavy 31st millenium, and the lack of reliable reserve manipulation makes it even worse.


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If youre dead set on Hammer, I feel that some of the stronger units to use would be Seekers due to Scorpius rounds primarily and PE vs a mark with combis to taste or, combi vets.

Shooty Warders as troops with Plasma Guns would be ok enough to fill as well.

Otherwise, yeah, its not the easiest one to work with.
Thinking about it, if Hammer Fall were in 8th ed 40k, its actually be really strong due to how reserves work.

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Mmmm it sounds as if Hammerfall is not well regarded and has heaps of drawbacks.

I've also seen a fair bit of criticism leveled at Stone Gauntlet which makws me wonder what ROW is the best for Imperial Fists?

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Pride of the Legion ... without doubt.

 

Your Legion Terminators get Deep Strike and even your bare bones Veteran Tacticals are sniping, rending, BS 5 killing machines.

 

Those units now filling troop slots under PotL ? Yes please.


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Hi all

What weapons do people thibk go best with vigil pattern storm shields?

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Issue:

I'm trying to make the most effective, interesting and 'realistic' (something that makes sense to me) Stone Gauntlet force possible. It's based around a breach assault theme so units included need to fit thematically. Remember in SG lists balancing troop: elite & fast attack slots is a challenge so I can't take everything I want!

Question:

In terms of in game effectiveness what do you think is 'better' (damage output & survivability):

6 x Lascannon squad (5 x lascannons plus some upgrades)
In a bunker with an ammo dump
~ 340pts
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2 x laser destroyers batteries (elite)
1 x scorpius
225 pts giving me ~115pts to reinvest in my troop choices (breachers and 'armoured recon'((recon marines in rhinos))

The rest of the list is:

Tooled up Praetor & Primus Medicae with a terminator command squad in a spartan (all with Storm Shields) (spartan takes up a heavy slot)

2 x 10 Breachers, each with an apothecary (taking up an elite slot)
2 x 5 recon squads, each in a rhino
2 x quad launchers
1 x Contemptor (fist and chain fist)
1 x venator

3000pts

Thoughts greatly appreciated!

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Hmm, I think I'd prefer the laser destroyers and scorpius over the lascannon squad because for less pts you're getting more versatile firepower-scorpius for anti infantry, laser destroyer for anti tank. That leaves you even 4/4 troops to elites so that should work. 

 

As far as the rest of your list goes, your troop choices look very basic and not terribly useful. Breachers especially are far more effective in squads of fifteen. The extra pts from taking the laser destroyers gives you a few pts to play around with, but I think you need more. I'd actually drop the apothecaries, take more bodies and some special weapons on those suads so they are actually contributing to the list instead of just taking up space.  


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I'm thinking about swapping the laser destroyer on the rapiers for graviton cannons.

I've used the spare points to bolster a Breacher squad to 15.

I always run apothercaries / Primus Medicaes in SG units (SS terminators &breachers) - for me T5 doesn't mean a great deal in 30K unless you have the FnP to maximise the bonus - they always earn their points back.

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I always run apothercaries / Primus Medicaes in SG units (SS terminators &breachers) - for me T5 doesn't mean a great deal in 30K unless you have the FnP to maximise the bonus - they always earn their points back.


Same, T5 is nice but with FNP it becomes something wonderful to behold. I did loose almost a whole squad to moral recently but thats the dice gods for you.

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Hey folks, new to the Imperial Fists and I really fancy doing an elite terminator/veteran force, I have come up with a 3000pts list but I am not sure if it would absolutely suck on the table or not. I don't need to be overly competitive but at the same time I don't want to lose all the time haha.

What do you guys reckon?

 

 
 
++ The Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [3000pts] ++
 
+ HQ +
 
Primus Medicae [130pts]: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, None
. Consul: Primus Medicae
 
Sigismund [230pts]
 
+ Troops +
 
Legion Terminator Squad [590pts]: Cataphractii Terminator Armour
. Legion Spartan Assault Tank: Armoured Ceramite, Quad Lascannon Sponsons, Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter
. Legion Terminator Sergeant: Chainfist, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield
. Legion Terminators: Chainfist, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield
. Legion Terminators: Chainfist, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield
. Legion Terminators: Chainfist, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield
. Legion Terminators: Chainfist, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield
. Legiones Astartes: VII
 
Legion Terminator Squad [490pts]: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Land Raider Phobos
. Legion Terminator Sergeant: Chainfist, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield
. Legion Terminators: Chainfist, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield
. Legion Terminators: Chainfist, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield
. Legion Terminators: Chainfist, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield
. Legion Terminators: Chainfist, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield
. Legiones Astartes: VII
 
Legion Terminator Squad [490pts]: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Land Raider Phobos
. Legion Terminator Sergeant: Chainfist, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield
. Legion Terminators: Chainfist, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield
. Legion Terminators: Chainfist, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield
. Legion Terminators: Chainfist, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield
. Legion Terminators: Chainfist, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield
. Legiones Astartes: VII
 
Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [260pts]: Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, Veteran Tactics: Marksmen
. Legion Veteran Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines W/ Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade, Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web
. Legion Veteran Space Marines W/ Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade, Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web
. Legiones Astartes: VII
 
Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [260pts]: Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, Veteran Tactics: Marksmen
. Legion Veteran Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines W/ Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade, Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web
. Legion Veteran Space Marines W/ Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade, Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web
. Legiones Astartes: VII
 
Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [260pts]: Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, Veteran Tactics: Marksmen
. Legion Veteran Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword or Combat Blade
. Legion Veteran Space Marines W/ Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade, Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web
. Legion Veteran Space Marines W/ Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade, Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web
. Legiones Astartes: VII
 
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Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon [290pts]
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Legion and Allegiance:    VII: Imperial Fists, Loyalist
 
Rite of War: Pride of the Legion
 
++ Total: [3000pts] ++
 
 

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I've been playing around with a similar lists.

I suggest you upgrade your Primus to have a power Gauntlet and storm shield - he is after all a combat character in his own right.

Flare shield on the spartan.

Dozer blades on all of the vehicles.

Multi meltas on the rhinos - gives them an extra role.

I'd consider removing the leviathan - without a DDPits going to struggle to keep up with your force and for me it doesn't fit your theme; elite vehicle based army.

I love chain fists and like to run 5 on my command squad - some people will say it's over kill but for me, once you consider casualties and poor dice rolls it justifies the points. That said I think you have too many!
I'd keep the spartan units as is and perhaps consider Tartaros with AP3 weapons and vilkit chargers/ combi bolters and assault cannon for one squad; they can target other units and perhaps something slightly different for the third (or replace with Templars to mix up the Army).

With left over points from the leviathan and maybe deleting the third vet squad think about some support assets; a brace of Sicarans to add more firepower, scorpius (cheap and highly effective), javelins or jetbikes to protect the flanks/ harass the enemy.

Just some ideas to consider.

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I've been playing around with a similar lists.

I suggest you upgrade your Primus to have a power Gauntlet and storm shield - he is after all a combat character in his own right.

Flare shield on the spartan.

Dozer blades on all of the vehicles.

Multi meltas on the rhinos - gives them an extra role.

I'd consider removing the leviathan - without a DDPits going to struggle to keep up with your force and for me it doesn't fit your theme; elite vehicle based army.

I love chain fists and like to run 5 on my command squad - some people will say it's over kill but for me, once you consider casualties and poor dice rolls it justifies the points. That said I think you have too many!
I'd keep the spartan units as is and perhaps consider Tartaros with AP3 weapons and vilkit chargers/ combi bolters and assault cannon for one squad; they can target other units and perhaps something slightly different for the third (or replace with Templars to mix up the Army).

With left over points from the leviathan and maybe deleting the third vet squad think about some support assets; a brace of Sicarans to add more firepower, scorpius (cheap and highly effective), javelins or jetbikes to protect the flanks/ harass the enemy.

Just some ideas to consider.

 

Thanks for the feedback, will take it into consideration as I am still messing around with different list ideas. All I really know for sure is I want vets, termies and Land Raiders haha. 







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