MakoBoy88 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Hello All,Having spent the last few days talking myself out of Iron hands for these reasons,Boring Painting Scheme (Want something that stands out)And no Characterful Character apart from the Manus himself.And the Gorgon Termi Models (I know some people love them, i just dont :( )I am on the prowl for a new Legion, with the following criteria.Need to have a HW capable in Challenges, i like the idea of that.Needs to have good names characters.Primarch needs to be bad ass (Doesnt need to have rules, just needs to be sick)Existing models need to be amazing ( EC PG, IF Breachers, etc)The Legion chosen needs to be able ot fluffily give a Legion feel, so people dont roll their eyes when you bring armour and fast attack and elites etc.Also the Legion needs to have a thing, a hook, a speciality I can theme the lists on.Ones i have so far are,Emperors Children, based on assault of the Laern Temple, so elements of the Third, First and whatever other companies.Salamanders, based on a purely Fire and Melta list, hard hitting and resiliant.Imperial Fists, split 50/50 into defensive squads, and offensive CC beasts (Shame Sigismund isant a model yet)Iron Hands is still there, but in the background.World Eaters, for the general CC carnage, and Khârn. But i have hear that Rampager squads and Red Butchers are actually dire compared to other Legion equivalents.Any other suggestions would be looked at too.Cheers boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Hmmmm salamanders :P Bitching mini dragons with Arabic feel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 World Eaters... You know you want to... :P - We have a Primarch who is second to none in close combat. - We have a champion who continues to slay the dogs of the Emperor in the 41st Millennium. - We have a killer color scheme: blood smears show up so well on white... - We are a fractious Legion and as such we are not hidebound like most of our cousins. We are free to use whatever means at our disposal (drop pods, gunships, tanks, etc.) as long as it ultimately delivers our Legions and their chainaxes into the thick of the enemy. - We have a full line of FW goodies dedicated to our Legion and our Legion alone, unlike some of the poor sods out there (Raven Guard, cough cough). - ??? - BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 White can be a pita, but White Scars, I'm yet to see a GC/HH era force of them. *When* their models come out, I'm certain of some very cool jetbikes and FA options Cheers, Jono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Thirst Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 World Eaters... You know you want to... - We have a Primarch who is second to none in close combat. Careful cousin, lest you feel the sting of my blade. :P Jokes aside and back on topic I would actually agree with Relict, given the options available, the World Eaters have a good paint scheme and unique fluff to boot. But as always it comes down to personal preference and no one should make to dicission of choosing a Legion for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted July 29, 2014 Author Share Posted July 29, 2014 I must admit World Eaters have been at the forefrotn of my mind, and the only put off is that i am not completely sold on Angron, but i know he is a badass really. A complete badass.Does anyone find they die in droves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 World Eaters... You know you want to... :P - We have a Primarch who is second to none in close combat. - We have a champion who continues to slay the dogs of the Emperor in the 41st Millennium. - We have a killer color scheme: blood smears show up so well on white... - We are a fractious Legion and as such we are not hidebound like most of our cousins. We are free to use whatever means at our disposal (drop pods, gunships, tanks, etc.) as long as it ultimately delivers our Legions and their chainaxes into the thick of the enemy. - We have a full line of FW goodies dedicated to our Legion and our Legion alone, unlike some of the poor sods out there (Raven Guard, cough cough). - ??? - BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! Someone who holds the passion, my nails have returned and I agree kill the emperors whelps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komrk Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 - We have a full line of FW goodies dedicated to our Legion and our Legion alone, unlike some of the poor sods out there (Raven Guard, cough cough). Hey, you just can't find our stuff... and neither can we but that's not the point, it's just too sneaky right... right..? Ok yeah, we got nothing and our Contemptor is a freaking Carcharodons Contemptor not a Raven Guard Contemptor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedes Nex Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 It's a Terran Xeric tribe Contemptor. Don't like it? Why don't you just exile it to the outer void like usual. CORAX IS RACIST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Might I suggest the Night Lords as a viable alternative ;) You've got: Sevatar and a joker-esque master apothecary whose own brothers think is stupidly insane, even among a Legion of insane killers. But seriously, Sevatar. The Night Haunter is shaping up to be one of the best, if not THE best primarch model we'll see. Just listening to the ideas the sculptors had for him gave me goosebumps. Everything is fluffy in the Legions. All of them specialize to one extent or the other but every one of them can field massed assault squads or huge armour battalions if they feel so inclined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Hello All, Having spent the last few days talking myself out of Iron hands for these reasons, Boring Painting Scheme (Want something that stands out) And no Characterful Character apart from the Manus himself. And the Gorgon Termi Models (I know some people love them, i just dont ) I am on the prowl for a new Legion, with the following criteria. Need to have a HW capable in Challenges, i like the idea of that. Needs to have good names characters. Primarch needs to be bad ass (Doesnt need to have rules, just needs to be sick) Existing models need to be amazing ( EC PG, IF Breachers, etc) The Legion chosen needs to be able ot fluffily give a Legion feel, so people dont roll their eyes when you bring armour and fast attack and elites etc. Also the Legion needs to have a thing, a hook, a speciality I can theme the lists on. I have the perfect suggestion: the X Legion. I think they fit just about all of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaSY Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Ferrus Manus is quite badass even though his head is gone earlier.Despite being mauled in Isstvan Drop Site Massacre, Iron Hands still had the largest percentage of survivors despite being the first to charge at the traitors, being cut off from their allies and when they lost their primarch, instead of being demoralised, they become even more insane. Bion Henricos made Horus Aximand had transhuman dread; Astartes feared other Astartes. (Little Horus)Captain Atticus managed to defeat both Night Lords and Alpha Legion ships pursuing them while making some badass lines. (Veritas Ferrum) Autek Mor, Iron Father who is more akin to World Eaters, led his Morragul Clan which was the common destination for outcasts and instable elements of the legion. He managed to fled the Isstvan while repelling other attacks from Traitors.While does not have really huge numbers (but still have bigger numbers than Raven Guard and Salamanders), they have far larger pool of armoured reserves only second to Perturabo's Iron Warriors. They lost almost all of their Senior leadership and veteran elements, shattered and scattered, yet they fared well than Salamanders and Raven Guard.While there was crisis of leadership, most continued to fight on, slowly transforming into the fury of calculated rationality of 40k.Not to mention some already unlocked other forbidden tech to fight the traitors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komrk Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 It's a Terran Xeric tribe Contemptor. Don't like it? Why don't you just exile it to the outer void like usual. CORAX IS RACIST! I don't mind that it's Xeric, I just hate the Polynesian designs and would rather have some designs from the current area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted July 30, 2014 Author Share Posted July 30, 2014 I have spent the day thinking on the World Eaters idea. Making a wish list/ shopping list. Im so up for the visual effect of the gore and the dyanmism of the models i could put into them, but there is something that makes me think if i face Tau (I play alot of 40k with 30k) that i will just get smashed aside.Iron Hands are perfect for what i want, but they lack things which make me ache, like no punch.And World Eaters are perfect for what i want, but they too lack things which make me ache, a decent Primarch model and safe troops options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain mortis Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 WORLDEATERS...lots and lots of WORLDEATERS! Let the Tau taste a good old chainaxe! Dreadclaw droppods, assault rams, drop the nutters right in there gunline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Another WE army covered in gore? Never seen that before. If you don't want to stick with the X, who have some really incredible rules and special units, I'd vote Fists or Sallies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 OR! You could make Terran War Hounds pre-Angron if you want WE but want some variation other than KILL MAIM BURN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I must admit World Eaters have been at the forefrotn of my mind, and the only put off is that i am not completely sold on Angron, but i know he is a badass really. A complete badass. Does anyone find they die in droves? In the fluff, they do. However that is the whole World Eaters mentality: They are not soldiers. They are warriors. They care nothing for their own dead as long as the battle ends in victorious slaughter. For an example, read Betrayer, especially the part where Khârn and his men charge the Ultramarines shield wall. - We have a full line of FW goodies dedicated to our Legion and our Legion alone, unlike some of the poor sods out there (Raven Guard, cough cough). Hey, you just can't find our stuff... and neither can we but that's not the point, it's just too sneaky right... right..? Ok yeah, we got nothing and our Contemptor is a freaking Carcharodons Contemptor not a Raven Guard Contemptor All jokes aside, am I the only one who actually finds that Raven Guard Contemptor appealing? I have spent the day thinking on the World Eaters idea. Making a wish list/ shopping list. Im so up for the visual effect of the gore and the dyanmism of the models i could put into them, but there is something that makes me think if i face Tau (I play alot of 40k with 30k) that i will just get smashed aside. Iron Hands are perfect for what i want, but they lack things which make me ache, like no punch. And World Eaters are perfect for what i want, but they too lack things which make me ache, a decent Primarch model and safe troops options. Remember, while the World Eaters' Legion-specific options (Rampagers and Red Butchers) are melee oriented, they still have access to the entire "generic" Space Marines army list. If you are worried about the Tau's firepower, you can choose to match them with some heavy support squads of your own. If you just want to get your Legionaries and their chainaxes into the Tau's midst (or, God forbid, get Angron into their midst), you can invest into some solid transports. My own army of World Eaters have a Spartan to deliver a full squad of 10 Cataphractii Terminators into the thick of action. Once that has been accomplished, it can join my two Sicarans in wreaking general havok with its eight lascannons. But at the end of the day, it is your money and your hobby. All of us may provide our inputs, but it is most important that YOU are happy with your army. Choose wisely. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komrk Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 - We have a full line of FW goodies dedicated to our Legion and our Legion alone, unlike some of the poor sods out there (Raven Guard, cough cough). Hey, you just can't find our stuff... and neither can we but that's not the point, it's just too sneaky right... right..? Ok yeah, we got nothing and our Contemptor is a freaking Carcharodons Contemptor not a Raven Guard Contemptor All jokes aside, am I the only one who actually finds that Raven Guard Contemptor appealing? Well, I wouldn't say you're the only one but it seems that not a lot of people like it. The design itself looks like it was hastily thrown on with no planning and then they decided they would use it for a Raven Guard Contemptor and threw the raven motif on the front of the neck guard. I will admit that the helmet is pretty cool though and personally the only place where the design looks well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 Having spent another day daydreaming at work and really not paying attention to peoples insurance, i have had another thought, as the way these things go.I am in love with the idea of 40 Tactical Marines all with Chain Axes representing CCW's and then Veterans and Rampagers and Red Butchers and Khârn and all sorts.But this is my Legion you know, its a big investment. And i want to collect all of it. I want Heavy Weapons Squads, Rapier Defence things, Sicarans, Legion Basiliks, All the different Consuls, see what I mean. And that just doesnt seem to sit well in my belly with World Eaters, despite how much i want the above.I know it sounds like a spoiled child, but I really want both sides. A really charismatic Legion with a highly specialised focus point, but that has that Legion feel.So, for you, what would you say is the best Legion which feels like a complete "Legion" out of both the Traitors and the Loyalists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Honestly this isn't an issue what everyone needs to remember is that the legions were well rounded and had an identity for a specialty but all maintained the same war equipment. If you truly want though the Ultras are the all rounders. They are more characteristic in the heresy setting then the bland 40k counterparts. Think of a captain that witnessed the humiliation of lorgar at monicha and underwent the culling of it's people, the emotional damage that could have occurred and feeling for the shamed XVIIth legion then witnessing the garrisons of the 500 worlds decimated and questioning his own primarchs failings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 You're completely right. If Ultra's had their own Rules and Units already, i would already go with it. Also locally Ultramarines are actually very over represented, with at least 4/5 turning up to our most local events, all good friends who all know eachother (Its a small community), and there is even a 30k Army in there.But i love the idea of the more characterful Ultramarines, or any Legion really lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Most complete, you say? I think Sons of Horus and Iron Warriors for the Traitors and Ultramarines for the Loyalists. I would lean heavily toward the Iron Warriors. They have the most formidable motor pool (with the Iron Hands being the only one to be able to likely match them) and war materiel reserve among all the Legions, can fight equally well at range or in melee, and have an awesome paint scheme. If you like World Eaters infantry, why not do a primary detachment of Iron Warriors and include a World Eaters detachment as allies? Those two Legions are "sworn brothers" to each other on the ally chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ion Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 If you want all rounders, but with a distinct flavour, Sons of Horus. The Warmaster's legion had all the best toys, so you can bring what you want, they've got a lot of forgeworld support, things like their contemptors and torsos/shoulders/heads have some great stuff. You can play up the Terran following Roman-style or go for the more brutal and chaosy Cthonian influenced look (or like me add some of both) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backslide Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 In the fluff, they do. However that is the whole World Eaters mentality: They are not soldiers. They are warriors. They care nothing for their own dead as long as the battle ends in victorious slaughter. For an example, read Betrayer, especially the part where Khârn and his men charge the Ultramarines shield wall. I loved 'Betrayer' brilliant book there is a reason the only space marines I have painted in years are now white and blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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