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[Daemon2027]

A javelin landspeeder and some jetbikes would look awesome.

[Augustus b'Raass]

Turned out I made an error when building my army list and ended up with the point cost going over the planned 3000.

 

Presently, the models I own (painted or otherwise) give me 3182 points worth of Angron's finest. I plan on throwing in a fast attack option to top things off at 3500. 

 

Any suggestions? 

Spoiler

Army list is below for those who are curious. 

 

HQ [417 points total]

 

Legion Praetor (135 points base, 202 points upgraded)

Unit Composition: 1 Legion Praetor

Unit Type: Infantry, Independent Character

Wargear: Cataphractii Terminator Armor, Combi-Bolter, Power Weapon

Options: Volkite Charger (+7), Master-Crafted Paragon Blade (+35), Digital Lasers (+15), Iron Halo (+10)

 

Legion Command Squad (175 points base, 215 points upgraded)

Unit Composition: 4 Terminator Bodyguards, 1 Terminator Sergeant

Unit Type: Infantry

Wargear: Terminator Armor, Combi-Bolter, Power Weapon

Options: 2 Power Fists (+10), 2 Chainfists (+20), 1 Grenade Harness* (+10)

 

ELITES [719 points total]

 

Legion Terminator Squad (175 points base, 409 points upgraded)

Unit Composition: 9 Legion Terminators, 1 Legion Terminator Sergeant

Unit Type: Infantry

Wargear: Cataphractii Terminator Armor, Combi-Bolter, Power Weapon

Dedicated Transport: 1 Spartan Assault Tank

Options: 5 Additional Terminators (+150), 1 Heavy Flamer (+10), 1 Reaper Autocannon (+15), 2 Combi-Weapons (+14), 2 Thunder Hammers (+20), 1 Pair of Lightning Claws* (+15), 1 Grenade Harness* (+10)

 

Apothecarion Detachment (90 points base, 120 points upgraded)

Unit Composition: 2 Legion Apothecaries, attached to Legion Tactical Squads

Unit Type: Infantry, Character

Wargear: Power Armor, Bolt Pistol, Frag & Krak Grenades, Chainsword, Narthecium

Options: 2 Augury Scanners (+10), 2 Artificer Armor (+20)

 

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (155 points base, 190 points upgraded)

Unit Composition: 1 Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought

Unit Type: Vehicle (Walker)

Wargear: Smoke Launchers, Searchlight, 2 Twin-Linked Heavy Bolters

Options: 2 Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons (+25), Extra Armor (+10)

 

TROOPS [1086 points total]

 

Legion Tactical Squad (150 points base, 328 points upgraded)

Unit Composition: 19 Legion Tactical Space Marines, 1 Legion Tactical Sergeant

Unit Type: Infantry

Wargear: Power Armor, Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Frag & Krak Grenades

Options: 10 Additional Legion Space Marines (+100), 19 Additional Combat Blades/Chainswords (+38), 1 Nuncio-Vox (+10), 1 Legion Vexilla (+10), 1 Power Sword* (+10), 1 Artificer Armor* (+10)

 

Legion Tactical Squad (150 points base, 328 points upgraded)

Unit Composition: 19 Legion Tactical Space Marines, 1 Legion Tactical Sergeant

Unit Type: Infantry

Wargear: Power Armor, Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Frag & Krak Grenades

Options: 10 Additional Legion Space Marines (+100), 19 Additional Combat Blades/Chainswords (+38), 1 Nuncio-Vox (+10), 1 Legion Vexilla (+10), 1 Power Axe* (+10), 1 Artificer Armor* (+10)

 

Legion Assault Squad (250 points base, 430 points upgraded)

Unit Composition: 14 Legion Assault Space Marines, 1 Legion Assault Sergeant

Unit Type: Jump Infantry

Wargear: Power Armor, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword/Combat Blade, Frag & Krak Grenades, Jump Pack

Options: 5 Additional Assault Space Marines (+75), 15 Melta-Bombs (+75), 1 Pair of Lightning Claws* (+20), 1 Artificer Armor* (+10)

 

HEAVY SUPPORT [960 points total]

 

Legion Heavy Support Squad (135 points base, 200 points upgraded)

Unit Composition: 4 Legion Space Marines, 1 Legion Sergeant

Unit Type: Infantry

Wargear: Power Armor, Heavy Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Frag & Krak Grenades

Options: 5 Autocannons (+25), 1 Artificer Armor* (+10), 1 Augury Scanner* (+5), Hardened Armor (+25)

 

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (135 points base, 205 points upgraded)

Unit Composition: 1 Sicaran Tank

Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank, Fast)

Wargear: Searchlight, Smoke Launcher, Twin-Linked Accelerator Autocannon, Heavy Bolter, Extra Armor

Options: Auxiliary Drive (+10), Armored Ceramite (+20), 1 Set of Sponson-Mounted Lascannons (+40)

 

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (135 points base, 205 points upgraded)

Unit Composition: 1 Sicaran Tank

Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank, Fast)

Wargear: Searchlight, Smoke Launcher, Twin-Linked Accelerator Autocannon, Heavy Bolter, Extra Armor

Options: Auxiliary Drive (+10), Armored Ceramite (+20), 1 Set of Sponson-Mounted Lascannons (+40)

 

Legion Spartan Assault Tank (295 points base, 350 points upgraded)

Unit Composition: 1 Spartan Assault Tank

Unit Type: Vehicle, Tank

Wargear: 2 Sponson-Mounted Quad Lascannon, Hull-Mounted Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Machine Spirit, Extra Armor

Options: Auxiliary Drive (+10), Armored Ceramite (+20), Flare Shield (+25)

 

HQ + ELITES + TROOPS + HEAVY SUPPORT = 3182 points total

Tat's a lot of models mate! Wow. How about a Storm Eagle or a Fire Raptor? Or if you really want Fast Attack, those jetbikes look the part and are awesome to build and paint, trust me.

 

I did some updating on the Eight-Legged Monstrosity for myself - mostly sculpting. Here's the most important part - the reinforced frontal claw/piston. More in my WIP.

[Daemon2027]

Fire Raptors are heavy support.

Love the work your doing on the lord of skulls.

[Slayer le Boucher]

Its been a whil that i lost interest in 40k, i don't get any fun out of my games lattely, only frustration and dissapointement.

 

but i still will participate in this, since a lot of my old buddies is here.

 

World Eaters ; 8th Massacre Cohorts and Genocide Gears, Led by Slayer le Boucher.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Slayer le Boucher and his Blood reavers biker gang.

 

 

 

 

Edited by Slayer le Boucher, 09 August 2014 - 06:28 PM.

[KrautScientist]

World Eaters ; 8th Massacre Cohorts and Genocide Gears, Led by Slayer le Boucher.

 

Because he's a World Eater with a certain je ne sais quoi

 

Seriously, though: Glad to see another ToS veteran has made it here! It's great to have you and your insane daemon engines aboard! I still think that Dreamforge Games Leviathan with the LoS bitz is a very clever kitbash!

 

Here's your badge, mate:

 

 

Wear it with honour!

[Flint13]

Big giant update to our roster in the first post!

 

Good ol K-Sci took the time to hotlink all of that business to each of our respective bits of relevant fluff, so now we have a tiny library of awesome inspiration at our fingertips.

 

Go say thanks everyone!

Edited by Flint13, 09 August 2014 - 07:18 PM.

[Relict]

I thought about building a Storm Eagle until I read the reviews on how next to impossible the kit is to build. Is the Fire Raptor any better?

 

Now a Javelin and some Scimitars... That I can get behind.

 

EDIT: Why wouldn't we be allowed to post the point costs?

Edited by Relict, 09 August 2014 - 07:46 PM.

[incinerator950]

Fire Raptor is like an Apache where as a Eagle is similar to a hind. Well, te Raptor is better vs infantry and air too.

Basically comes down to wanting transport cap.

Also, no points is basically because we don't want trouble from GW. They would basically call it copyright infringement, make demands to have us shut down, etc. Remember Vassal? You can thank GW for taking that down, and it wasn't friendly or legally either.

[The_Bloody]

Great update to the first page!

I know I get really boring, sorry Flint but my 40k warband is listed twice in the post heresy part: one as "Angron's Chosen" (The right one) and one as "The Merciless" (which is their previous incarnation).

Altough "The Tyrant of Numida" makes Drakon sound really cool!

[incinerator950]

So if I update my warband a little more, Flint will add me to the roster?

[KingKurama]

So guys on my mobile just trying to relax what's your thoughts on a change to my paragon deamon spear?

http://www.bolterand...e/134424-image/

Sort of trying to figure out what I can do half way through the clean up ill post some damage photos in my other thread

[Flint13]

Great update to the first page!

I know I get really boring, sorry Flint but my 40k warband is listed twice in the post heresy part: one as "Angron's Chosen" (The right one) and one as "The Merciless" (which is their previous incarnation).

Altough "The Tyrant of Numida" makes Drakon sound really cool!

 

No worries buddy! Fixed

So if I update my warband a little more, Flint will add me to the roster?

Well.... K-Sci will probably fix it, then PM it to me so I can copy paste it. But yep!

 

So guys on my mobile just trying to relax what's your thoughts on a change to my paragon deamon spear?

http://www.bolterand...e/134424-image/

Sort of trying to figure out what I can do half way through the clean up ill post some damage photos in my other thread

Glad to see you already back at it! What do we want to change about the spear?

[LongGone]

Holy Balls, Slayer! 

 

I don't know what it's called, I just know the sound it makes when it kills a man...

[Relict]

Fire Raptor is like an Apache where as a Eagle is similar to a hind. Well, te Raptor is better vs infantry and air too.

Basically comes down to wanting transport cap.

Also, no points is basically because we don't want trouble from GW. They would basically call it copyright infringement, make demands to have us shut down, etc. Remember Vassal? You can thank GW for taking that down, and it wasn't friendly or legally either.

 

I'm not old enough a member here to know that, but thank you for pointing it out. Post has been edited - no more specific point costs. 

[Relict]

RECORDS

PART I

 

Centurion-Captain Voss "Iron Devourer" & Cestus-Lieutenant Cael "Peacemaker", Company Command

[Pict-Capture: Appian Massacre, Fall of Ulixes, Shadow Crusade]

 

"The Emperor created us as tools to be blunted and then discarded. The Warmaster has delivered us from that fate. From this day forward, we march as a part of his grand design - one company, one will, many minds. The dogs of the Emperor shall curse our names and dread our coming - for we are the Iron Devourers and none shall find us wanting. To war, my brothers!"

 

- Centurion-Captain Voss to the assembled 77th Battle Company, Isstvan V

 

Terminator Bodyguard Squad

[Pict-Capture: Extermination Phase, Isstvan V Dropsite Massacre]

 

"The War Hounds may be relegated to the vaults of history now, but the Legion as it was will forever remain a part of us. We can deny this truth no more than we can denounce our own gene-sire."

 

- Attributed to Cestus-Lieutenant Cael

 

Ancient Helvast "Stormbringer", Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought

[Pict-Capture: Scouring of the Great Coastal Union, Purge of Nuceria, Shadow Crusade]

 

"The Nails are a bloody curse and Angron is a maddened fool."

 

- Attributed to Ancient Helvast

 

Primus Medicae Hallin "Bloodletter", Apothecarion Detachment

[Pict-Capture: Pursuit Phase Day 32, Isstvan V Dropsite Massacre]

 

"You think you know pain, little bird? I will show you the true meaning of pain. When I am finished with you, you will beg my brothers for the swift mercy of their axes." 

 

- Primus Medicae Hallin to captured Raven Guard Legionary, Isstvan V

 

Apothecarion Detachment

[Pict-Capture: Pursuit Phase Day 32, Isstvan V Dropsite Massacre]

 

Secutor-Sergeant Ixion "Ironclad", I Terminator Siege Squad

[Pict-Capture: Initial Traitor Deployment, Isstvan III Atrocity]

 

"Aye - the Nails sing. They sing so beautifully. I did not kill for the Emperor over the years he still deserved my service. I do not kill for the Warmaster simply because he commands me to. No, I kill for the Primarch and the Nails. Blood for the Primarch, skulls for the Legion!"

 

- Attributed to Secutor-Sergeant Ixion

 

Sergeant Torvan "Void Serpent", IV Assault Squad

[Pict-Capture: Boarding Action, XIII Legion Battle-Barge Spirit of Espandor, Shadow Crusade]

 

"Come, whelps of Guilliman! Come and die! You think yourselves Astartes simply because you waste your hours twirling your swords and polishing your armor. Come and let me show you how a true Astartes fights."

 

- Sergeant Torvan to unidentified Ultramarines officer aboard the Spirit of Espandor

 

Sergeant Kugan, I Heavy Support Squad

[Pict-Capture: Extermination Phase, Isstvan V Dropsite Massacre]

Edited by Relict, 10 August 2014 - 07:18 AM.

[KingKurama]

http://www.bolterand...e/134425-image/

Thoughts?
Second mock up

[incinerator950]

The blade is too long for my tastes for a spear that short.

[KingKurama]

@flint- gotta try get my mind of the :cuss so it's a rough idea

@incinerator- extend the shaft of the spear or trim the spear tip?

[incinerator950]

It depends on how you're portraying it. Thicker and longer would support the blade, but then you risk looking silly.

Too short and It's the same problem, unless you're going for that Roman Legionare shortspear look.

[KingKurama]

More of a spiky halberd for a gladiator but that's the only suitable piece I've really found

Maybe it needs to be on a terminator

[incinerator950]

I would think a Biker. You should get an axe.

Given your state you should use wreckage from your models as a :cuss you I'm ballin to your situation.

[Augustus b'Raass]

Fire Raptor is like an Apache where as a Eagle is similar to a hind. Well, te Raptor is better vs infantry and air too.

Basically comes down to wanting transport cap.

Also, no points is basically because we don't want trouble from GW. They would basically call it copyright infringement, make demands to have us shut down, etc. Remember Vassal? You can thank GW for taking that down, and it wasn't friendly or legally either.

Is this serious (I've only been an active member since January this year) so what about the ETL? That had points cost in every vow made!

[LongGone]

Is this serious (I've only been an active member since January this year) so what about the ETL? That had points cost in every vow made!

 

 

 

Yes sir. I don't really know what the reasoning behind it is, so it could very well be what Incinerator says. However, if you look somewhere in the forum rules, there's definitely a part that says you can't list specific points costs. 

 

A general - 'Tactical Squad: 250pts' - is one thing. But to break the points cost down by upgrades and extras is a no go. The ETL vows are fine in this instance, because you only listed a single points cost for the vow you were going to complete. 

 

Edit:

The Big Book of B&C Rules

Edited by LongGone, 10 August 2014 - 09:16 AM.

[Relict]

I'm still thinking about expanding my army list. 

 

So far I have 3182 points worth of models bought and paid for. Based on all the information I gathered (remember, all it is secondhand - I have never played a single game before, 40K or 30K), it is a solid list. 

 

Right now my World Eaters fight like panzergrenadiers - lots of firepower and as much protection as I can muster up (apothecaries for the tactical squads, armored ceramite and flare shield for the tanks). The idea is to knock the opponent off balance at the start by using my Spartan to thrust the 10 Cataphractii Terminators into their midst, use the (now freed up) Spartan and the two Sicarans for mobile suppression, and finally footslog the rest of my army into melee (my assault marines all have melta-bombs, so they can deal with vehicles as well).

 

So, to bring the army up to 3500 points, I have 318 points to spend on something else. According to the 30K FOC, I have 1 HQ, 1 Elite, 3 Troops, and all the FA slots still available. Choices... 

 

1. 5 fully kitted out Red Butchers. Upside: awesome models, powerful unit. Downside: no room for a transport means they would have to footslog it to the enemy and potentially get shot to pieces before getting into melee.

 

2. 10 Rampagers. Upside and downside same as above. 

 

3. 1 Javelin plus 3 Scimitars as a quick reaction force to go where needed, fast. Upside: awesome models. Downside: I really have no idea how this would work in reality. 

 

Any ideas?

[Slayer le Boucher]

 

Fire Raptor is like an Apache where as a Eagle is similar to a hind. Well, te Raptor is better vs infantry and air too.

Basically comes down to wanting transport cap.

Also, no points is basically because we don't want trouble from GW. They would basically call it copyright infringement, make demands to have us shut down, etc. Remember Vassal? You can thank GW for taking that down, and it wasn't friendly or legally either.

Is this serious (I've only been an active member since January this year) so what about the ETL? That had points cost in every vow made!

 

 

Yup its serious to the point that some sites and boards i know prohibit to even post rules even for rules questions, in their rules threads.

 

usually the post are like that;

 

" Question, can i do xxx while doing yyy?"

"Answer, check page xxx"

 

And the guy as no idea what he must check or why.