Sheesh Mode Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Greetings fellow warriors of Chaos, may your blades be ever bloodied. My master has bid me to seek thy aid in representational rules of his-self upon the table top. The great lord does wonder how he might be shown to battle 'cross the lands of Warhammer and bring much glory and skulls to the table of his God. My lord desires that his skill in battle be shown with accuracy, and his love of flesh besides. Already, I have set about the task but dare not assume my intellect is enough. While prodigious, it is prone to exaggeration and error. Here be these rules: Ollin the Skinner, Warlord of the Cannibal Pact WS7 BS4 S4 T4 I5 W3 A4 LD10 SV 3+ Wargear: Thirsting Blade, Cutting Knife, Plasma Pistol, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Sigil of Corruption Thirsting Blade: The Thirsting Blade is reward for Ollin's service to Abbadon during the Slave Wars as a Siege Breaker and terror of men. Thus he was gifted with this cursed weapon which emits a terrible keening when swung overwhelming his opponents. The Thirsting Blade is an +1S AP2 Power weapon with the specialist profile; for each successful hit with the Thirsting Blade all enemy models in base to base with Ollin the Skinner must make an initiative test or suffer the effects of the Blind universal special rule. Cutting Knife: Ollin is an experienced butcher knowledgeable in the anatomy of hundreds of sentient species across the galaxy. In lieu of using his plasma pistol during the shooting phase Ollin may instead use the Cutting Knife as an additional close combat weapon. The Cutting Knife has the following profile +3 Poisoned, Ap5. In addition, when using the Cutting Knife, 2 of Ollins attacks use the weapons profile. When an enemy model fails a save from a wound caused by the Cutting knife their Strength and Toughness stats are reduced by 1, to a minimum of 1. This ability can stack. Special Rules: Champion of Chaos, Fearless, Mark of Khorne, Furious Charge, Fear, Preferred Enemy: Imperial Guard, Sisters of Battle, Codex Inquisition Meat eater: Ollin has fought on battlefields across the galaxy since his days as a Son of Horus. During that time he has gained a penchant for living flesh, particularly humans. Whenever Ollin the Skinner is in a challenge he can choose to halve his attacks. If he does so all of his attacks gain the Concussive and Shred special rules. Points: 170 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I would also give him furious charge but change his statline back to base. Also, does he have any sort of invuln? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheesh Mode Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 Or instead: Cleaver: AP2 specialist weaponCutting Knife: +3 Poisoned, AP4, Specialist. When used 2 of Ollins attacks are use the Cutting Knife's profile. Cannot be used if Ollin shot with a plasma pistol in the previous shooting phase. Models that fail saves caused by wounds from the Cutting knife lose one toughness or strength, to a minimum of 1. This ability can stack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 The cutting knife seems overly complicated without any clear theme. My suggestion is to simplify it to reduce burden of knowledge and increase ease of remembering the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheesh Mode Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 Ollin the Skinner, Warlord of the Cannibal Pact WS7 BS4 S4 T4 I5 W3 A4 LD10 SV 3+ Special Rules: Champion of Chaos, Fearless, Mark of Khorne, Furious Charge, Fear, Preferred Enemy: Imperial Guard Meat eater: Ollin has fought on battlefields across the galaxy since his days as a Night Lord. During that time he has gained a penchant for living flesh, particularly humans. Whenever Ollin the Skinner is in a challenge he can choose to halve his attacks. If he does so all of his attacks gain the Concussive and Shred special rules. Wargear: Thirsting Blade, Cutting Knife, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Sigil of Corruption Cleaver: +1S AP2 power weapon Cutting Knife: Ollin is an experienced butcher knowledgeable in the anatomy of hundreds of sentient species across the galaxy. The Cutting Knife is his favored tool in actively dismantling his prey. To represent this the Cutting Knife has the following profile +3 Poisoned. In addition, when an enemy model fails a save from a wound caused by the Cutting knife their Strength and Toughness stats are reduced by 1, to a minimum of 1. This ability can stack. Points: 160 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I would bump him up to 170-180 points but sounds about right. (although I am not sure why I would ever choose to fight with the knife when I have an at init power axe. +10 for WS, +10 for additional attack, powerfist cost for the axe and meltabomb less than a power sword for the knife. Also meltabomb each for the three added usrs. Also I would put the meat eater ability at 5-10 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheesh Mode Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 Hmm. I'm basing it off of Khârn and Lucius's points who are both better fighters with better abilities. Albeit neither is as specific about killing a target in a challenge as this guy is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Special characters tend to be discounted, but it is easier to justify just building him up piecemeal. (Also since he has no ranged weapon his lower bs isn't really a drawback for the vast majority of cases). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheesh Mode Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 You have a good point. Also, it may be better to change the Cutting Knife's ability to "for each roll of 6 the opposing model's strength or toughness is reduced by one." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chaos Seer Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I think a better way to do what you're trying to do with the cutting knife is to just give him an additional close combat weapon and a special rule which accomplishes the same thing. Instead of calling it a cutting knife, call it "Hunter of Men". Hunter of Men: Ollin the Skinner knows how to put down any sentient creatures as if prey and by stripping away their strengths, cutting the hamstring of a particularly nimble Eldar or severing the tendons of an Ork's swinging arm. His attacks are made with poisoned (3+). In addition, if a model takes a wound but is not killed you may reduce one of the following stats of that model to 1: I, S or T. This makes him a bit more interesting. He can selectively disable opponents in different ways, makes him more specialized against characters rather than just brutes, as you just know a bloodthirsty cannibal would develop tricks for getting that other white meat (Eldar, of course). Plus just making a knife that's good for cutting SUPER killy just doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheesh Mode Posted August 22, 2014 Author Share Posted August 22, 2014 Hunter of Men: Ollin the Skinner knows how to put down any sentient creatures as if prey and by stripping away their strengths, cutting the hamstring of a particularly nimble Eldar or severing the tendons of an Ork's swinging arm. His attacks are made with poisoned (3+). In addition, if a model takes a wound but is not killed you may reduce one of the following stats of that model to 1: I, S or T. Ollin the Skinner, Warlord of the Cannibal Pact WS7 BS4 S4 T4 I5 W3 A4 LD10 SV 3+ Special Rules: Champion of Chaos, Fearless, Mark of Khorne, Furious Charge, Fear, Preferred Enemy: Imperial Guard Meat eater: Ollin has fought on battlefields across the galaxy since his days as a Night Lord. During that time he has gained a penchant for living flesh, particularly humans. Whenever Ollin the Skinner is in a challenge he can choose to halve his attacks. If he does so all of his attacks gain the Concussive and Shred special rules. Wargear: Thirsting Blade, Close combat weapon, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Sigil of Corruption Cleaver: +1S AP2 power weapon Hunter of Men: Ollin is an experienced butcher knowledgeable in the anatomy of hundreds of sentient species across the galaxy and as such has developed a cruel dueling style that wounds and cripples his enemies. To represent this Ollins attacks are (+3) Poisoned, in addition on a roll of 6 choose a profile: Initiative, Strength, Toughness, and reduce it by 1. This affect is cumulative. Points: 195 So is it a fair build guys? I mean clearly he's disgusting as a challenge fighter, but his abilities are wasted against hordes. I could easily imagine him taking on Monsterous Creatures with his abilities. Though, he's not over powered because all the things he's 'good' against can stomp him if given half a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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