GrandMagnus Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Hiya brothers, Now, I tend to feel like my miniatures shine too much, almost look oily when I am done painting the mini, which, like a bad case of genestealer infestation, is really bugging me. So, do anybody else seem to have this problem? Its there anything to avoid it? Am I just insane, maybe, a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Which line of paints? I only had that happen with a couple of old bottles of Dark Angels Green, and the old Washes, like Asurman Blue, Thraka Green, and the like. The new line has been almost totally matte, but if you are still getting a semi-glossy sheen to it, take a little bit of matte varnish or matte medium (like Lahmian Medium) and paint over the "oily" appearing portions and it should stop that and dry back to a matte finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 Alright, thank you Bryan, I will try that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Are you mixing your paints properly? That might be it. GW also have a couple of colors in the range that are quite shiny compared to the competition, most common one is 'abaddon black'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 Yes, the black is quite oily, so is Ultramarine blue. But atleast I think Im mixing them properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1SB Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Hi Anaziel, as an alternative, I was going to suggest what a lot of my meta uses, which is Vallejo paints. At 1st, it was a novelty to me, as I grew up with Citadel paints. When I returned to the Hobby, it was with Orks 1st, and my FLGS sales guys made a very convincing argument for me to at least try the Vallejo equivalent of Goblin Green. It was a long time since I painted, so it's hard to compare, but the result was so much better than what I remember. The paint was somehow both less runny yet also thinner, without the gloss in particular, for a really organic feel for the green skin. I still use GW inks, which worked just as well. I also use their Black. Reading your comments, Vallejo Black paint is not oily, no oil slick swirls. It's pretty matte naturally. I do remember it was an issue with Citadel's Chaos Black, but I'm not sure if they improved or changed their formula. I have one of their Blue paints, but I didn't use it enough to see if it's as good as their Green, for example. There are trade-offs. 1st, Vallejo paints come in droppers (like eye drops), so you have to use a mixing dish or similar just to use the paint. 2nd, as it is thinner, you have to do 2 or 3 coats. I have a friend who stays with Citadel paints because he paints en masse; he just dips a thick brush in a Citadel pot and applies it wholesale, which actually works better for his painting style. His way is much quicker, but it does have this unnaturally glossy, swirly, plastic look up close. My recommendation - try 1 Vallejo paint 1st, perhaps the Blue. If you find it in a local hobby store, ask them which is the closest to the Ultramarine Blue you want (Vallejo has a line of paints that map directly to Citadel ones, but they have to change the trademarked names). I really like the flat, natural looking texture of their paints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 Im familiar with Vallejo and I have infact been looking at their site. They are located in Barcelona which is fairly close to where I live, but for some reason I cant seem to be able to order from their site. I dont know wether this is me or if they have some sort of issue with their web-page. ANy thoughts on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 If you're buying vallejo, make sure you get colors from the right range. I can't remember if it's 'game' or 'model' but one of them is not very good for wargaming minis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psy-Crow Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Game colour has been formulated to be the same colour as the previous citadel range, check the names and you'll see what I mean. They are also supposed to be specifically for tabletop miniatures as the paint is supposed to dry tougher, basically varnish isn't needed. However, a few top painters won't use them as they run into some issues, Romain and Raffa from Massive Voodoo for example. Exactly what they are I couldn't tell you as I haven't used them myself, but I can from personal experience recommend the Vallejo Model colour. Some colours more than others, Hull Red, Basic Skintone and Ivory are lovely, but you'll have to experiment. That being said Stahly at Tale of Four Painters loves them. Not 1 Step said it right, buy one paint from each range and have a play. Only you know what consistency and finish works for you. Never tried ordering them straight from Vallejo but given the amount of amazing painters Spain has produced over the years, I'd be very surprised if there wasn't an online retailer in Spain selling them. I can highly recommend Scale 75 paints. They dry to a beautiful matte finish and the metallics are the best in the business. I made the mistake of buying citadel paints when I got back in the hobby and I really didn't like the finish. That is the old range, I haven't tried the new range, but I hear the metallics from GW have gone from being the best to the worst. Now i'm in the process of replacing my paints from GW (which isn't that hard due to the criminal containers they used to come in) with Scale 75, Vallejo Model and P3. To sum up, shop around. There are many companies producing paint designed for miniatures these days and most imporatntly, have fun. Happy Painting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I haven't tried the new range, but I hear the metallics from GW have gone from being the best to the worst. I've hear very good things about the vallejo 'air' metallics from many different painters. Haven't used them myself hough so I'm not sure if they can be used on a brush straight from the pot. I also found my old vallejo colors that I had a bad experience with, it was the 'model' range. I bought a starter pack of these some years ago so the formula might have changed? The set contained a white, red, silver, skin tone, leather and black. The black had really bad coverage and was even more shiny than citadel blacks. The white had the worst coverage of any white I've tried. The rest were pretty ok, except very prone to separating. The silver doesn't take a lot of work, but the red and skin tone in particular took so much shaking and stirring that I just poured them out and used the bottles for inks. The red would even separate on the pallet after 10-15 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1SB Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Im familiar with Vallejo and I have infact been looking at their site. They are located in Barcelona which is fairly close to where I live, but for some reason I cant seem to be able to order from their site. I dont know wether this is me or if they have some sort of issue with their web-page. ANy thoughts on that? I totally did notice your location was a Dane in Spain, but I didn't want to make assumptions, but that's just so perfect. For the record, almost everyone in my FLGS pronounces the paints' names in the English way, so Red to them is Row Joe. I've been trying to tell them the right way to say it. I'm afraid I have not been very successful in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 With the Vallejo ranges I find the Model Colour have more of a Matt finish, unless you buy gloss or satin colours. They are also more natural in tone too. The Model Air range is apparently amazing for its metallics. They have also recently released Game Air which it may be worth looking for reviews on. I know Angel Giraldez who does the painting for the Infinity game uses the Vallejo paints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspecti Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Im familiar with Vallejo and I have infact been looking at their site. They are located in Barcelona which is fairly close to where I live, but for some reason I cant seem to be able to order from their site. I dont know wether this is me or if they have some sort of issue with their web-page. ANy thoughts on that? It's quite unlikely that they'd sell directly to hobbyists, that would be too expensive for a big company like Vallejo. I'm assuming you live in the Catalan state so check the 'Where to buy' and find the nearest store: http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/en_US/model-paints/shops/3/8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Worst case was always Dark Angels green. That stuff was more like laminate than paint :P I have a problem with reds where the pigment seems to separate from the...um...liquid...stuff. Let's just say water :P It makes painting rather troublesome, and of course if you thin it more, it loses what little coverage it had to begin with. Reds suck. Im familiar with Vallejo and I have infact been looking at their site. They are located in Barcelona which is fairly close to where I live, but for some reason I cant seem to be able to order from their site. I dont know wether this is me or if they have some sort of issue with their web-page. ANy thoughts on that? I totally did notice your location was a Dane in Spain, but I didn't want to make assumptions, but that's just so perfect. For the record, almost everyone in my FLGS pronounces the paints' names in the English way, so Red to them is Row Joe. I've been trying to tell them the right way to say it. I'm afraid I have not been very successful in that regard. As Americans, we reserve the right to butcher any language we come across with utter confidence in our correctitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted September 7, 2014 Author Share Posted September 7, 2014 Im familiar with Vallejo and I have infact been looking at their site. They are located in Barcelona which is fairly close to where I live, but for some reason I cant seem to be able to order from their site. I dont know wether this is me or if they have some sort of issue with their web-page. ANy thoughts on that? It's quite unlikely that they'd sell directly to hobbyists, that would be too expensive for a big company like Vallejo. I'm assuming you live in the Catalan state so check the 'Where to buy' and find the nearest store: http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/en_US/model-paints/shops/3/8 Actually in the Valencian state, but its still quite close. Sadly it seems like all sellers are around Barcelona and one lonely guy in Sevilla. Are there any other paints you can recommend other than Vallejo? Preferebly non-american, since shipping takes FOREVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspecti Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 I've only used Citadel paints and Vallejo paints, so I can't really recommend anything besides Vallejo. I only started using Vallejo quite recently, like a bit over a year ago, but in my opinion and experience their paints are lightyears ahead of Citadel paints. Vallejo also has a list of online shops on their website, have you checked that out yet? For example, this store seems to have pretty much the full Vallejo range: http://www.hobbymodelismo.es/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted September 7, 2014 Author Share Posted September 7, 2014 Ah thank you brother! This page has a good range of stuff and its within Spain. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Commander Scrymgeour Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Also, sounds silly, but before trading in all of your citadel paints, quick question.... Are you watering your paints? I've noticed that when people don't it often looks quite glossy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 Also, sounds silly, but before trading in all of your citadel paints, quick question.... Are you watering your paints? I've noticed that when people don't it often looks quite glossy Not really, only when I need to create a wash. Otherwise I just take it straight from the can/bottle/container. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Commander Scrymgeour Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 try watering it down about 2 parts water to 1 part paint so its like thick milk (or runny cream), only use a bit of paint on your brush and do more than one coat. It will genuinely surprise you how much better it will look. Everyone in the hall of honour part of the forum who you can consider "good to excellent" will be doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 Hmm, I usually do 2 coats of paint but not watered down. Im going to experiment a bit with what you said Scrym. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Commander Scrymgeour Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psy-Crow Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Are there any other paints you can recommend other than Vallejo? Preferebly non-american, since shipping takes FOREVER. yep, Scale 75, the metallics are hands down best on the market and its a Spanish company so shipping shouldn't be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted September 9, 2014 Author Share Posted September 9, 2014 Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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