RastlinD Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 In ABD new book named conveniently "The Talon of Horus" there is a passage where it is mentioned that the weapon Abaddon now wields has killed two Primarchs. I was racking my brain and can only think of one Sanguinius, I guess one could argue the other is the Emperor but he is clearly not a Primarch. Can any one help me with the other one? If needed I can also provide a page number from the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Horus clone, probably, but I don't know for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Called it before, calling it again: Abaddon and Guilliman have at least one thing in common. They both killed Alpharius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Had the same though actually. There was a discussion about it on Warseer but... well, you know. I'd say Horus Clone. In the battle at the end of the book, Abaddon doesn't use the Talon at all until he plunges it into the HC's chest, like he was saving it just for that purpose So I'd say yes, Sanguinius and Horus Clone. The only other possibility would be that they expand on Dorn's death and have Abbadon kill/execute him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Unless they are saving the second primarch for a future book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 But apart from Dorn like I mentioned above, it would be a pretty major retcon to have Abaddon kill any other Primarch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Can you imagine the wailing if Abaddon personally kills both Dorn and Sigismund in the 1st Black Crusade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I'd love it if Abby killed Dorn too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Horus clone. Kinda liked Abby more with the book. Does he have the "stones" to defeat Siggy? That damn tease... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Had the same though actually. There was a discussion about it on Warseer but... well, you know. I'd say Horus Clone. In the battle at the end of the book, Abaddon doesn't use the Talon at all until he plunges it into the HC's chest, like he was saving it just for that purpose So I'd say yes, Sanguinius and Horus Clone. The only other possibility would be that they expand on Dorn's death and have Abbadon kill/execute him. Can you imagine the wailing if Abaddon personally kills both Dorn and Sigismund in the 1st Black Crusade? Behold, from a little thread about a year ago: Thousands planets, systems, put to the sword, right ? Yeah, that's something GW rarely built upon, when you think about it. And that's a shame. Could be awesomely cool if Abaddon was involved in the death of Rogal Dorn. I mean, that would kinda scream "Hey folks, I'm about to end everything you've ever cherished". I tried that, actually. They were firming up the dates and I said "I want the Black Crusade where Rogal Dorn dies. Could be Book 4 or 5 in the series." But the studio had locked it down in a lesser Black Crusade already. Plus, a little of this from earlier in the year: So, both Dorn and Sigismund die during the first Black Crusade? I thought that's where Dorn went down originally, but nope. Dorn dies aboard the Sword of Sacrilege in "a Black Crusade" between the First and Second (apparently not even one of Abaddon's, according to the Lore Peeps). I've got the actual date in my notes, but I'm on my iPad on my break. Early M32, I think. A couple of hundred years after the First Black Crusade, either way. (This all came from one of the meetings/documents where we had to plan out just what actual dates the primarchs all went down.) Which is annoying, as I had this whole theme idea of it being the moment the Imperium finally has to accept that the tides have changed, and so on. But we had a bunch of talks about this, and Dorn was off the cards for anything like that. Someone wanted to do something with him elsewhere at some point, so it was vetoed by virtue of them asking first. No biggie, though. Ideas are free. Always more where they came from, and I prefer the resonance and symmetry of it being Sigismund. Someone else can tell Dorn's tale. It's always interesting to me how a first idea can be so easily replaced by a better second idea. The resonance and impact of it being Sigismund is so much more meaningful and personal than it being Dorn. Dorn has Primarch Factor, which (occasionally sadly) immediately puts asses in chairs, but doesn't always make for the most narratively strong or symbolic event. So, so glad I went with Sigismund now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 "I see that time has blackened your plate too..." But really, awesome book from the first word to the last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 So does abbadon kills Sigismund A-D-B? Is that what you are saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Yes, and it will be glorious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 It will be heresy. Better put abby killing the Emperor and the custodes single handed while at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 . . . Are you joking? Being sarcastic? I'm honestly not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Sarcasm mate. Just dont give siggy an ignobil death... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 It's ADB. I could elaborate more, but really, do I need to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Arkley Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I think considering the following of both characters I can't see ADB doing us wrong. But I was kinda hoping for Khârn to get the honour of taking Siggies Skull :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Sigismund kills Khârn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Arkley Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 All the more reason... Revenge :) And we wont know who kills him till Terra but its a good guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I'm still at the beginning (chapter 4 I believe) and I try to avoid spoilers while in those topics.... I just want to said that Rubricae are awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 It's always interesting to me how a first idea can be so easily replaced by a better second idea. The resonance and impact of it being Sigismund is so much more meaningful and personal than it being Dorn. Dorn has Primarch Factor, which (occasionally sadly) immediately puts asses in chairs, but doesn't always make for the most narratively strong or symbolic event. So, so glad I went with Sigismund now. I think this is why I always liked Lucius better then Fulgrim. Fulgrim functions good as someone to idealize, but Lucius is a more human-ish character being corrupted by Slaanesh, entirely capable of losing...indeed, when he loses it's a big part of his character. Beating Gaviel Loken in his rematch wouldn't of meant as much if he didn't lose to him the first round, nor would beating Sanakhet if he hadn't been 'killed' by Sharrowkyn, it shows that the character is growing, and that's compelling in it's own right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanofAngels Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Okay I am taking a super-duper convoluted route, but what if the second primarch that was killed is one of the forgotten legions? Killed by a then throne-loyal Horus, at the Emperor's request (perhaps in some campaign against them). It could just be another little crumb dropped by a BL author, mentioning the forgotten legions but never really expanding on them. Like I said, a super-duper "whoa-man" route Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Guys. It's the Horus Clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Was it, though? Was it though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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