caprera Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 As we are approaching the "Conquest" book I was wondering about some of the anticipations. Apart from Solax auxilia and such, I see that some Legions are once again present in the list. I read this will represent for instance, how in particular Horus' legion evolved and changed during this period. If this is true for the Legions present in this book shall we expect the same treatment for the others ? I was wondering for example if this will be applied to the main legion army list. I am currently struggling through my choices (XIX & XX) to find out I want t o field and even what I want to represent sometimes... If some changes are to be expected I could wait before increasing the weekly braindamage increase in front of Battlescribe :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I thought the only marine addition in Conquest was the Shattered Legions FOC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caprera Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AUbmSp8mbbY/U3iEMHvyd8I/AAAAAAAAKAE/AHDWJ7NPFq0/s1600/10391418_10154132930700293_3176804065639999396_n.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Aww only Solar Auxilia? I was hoping for Imperial Army too - unless they are in the Calth book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caprera Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 Afaik apart from Terran Forces, Solar Auxilia IS the Imperial army at the time. I guess before being unified into the IG was a collection single-picked planetary forces assisting Legions. Anybody knows precisely ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I would like to see evolving allie charts, possible campaign linked. To represent the strengthening and weakening of bonds between the legions. At the moment my perfect III are battle brothers with the iron tenth. Know I know they aren't as bright as others, but surely they wouldn't be friends with the legion that downsized their primarch. I would love to see five allie charts Late crusade Early heresy Mid heresy Late heresy The scouring Tournament organisers can just say which era the tournament is in and friends can talk to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Well, the book is rumored / confirmed? to have a Character Creator for us to make our own personal IC's that can work with any Legion released or yet-to-be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caprera Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 I find that hard to believe. It would be awesome indeed but considered how they already produced a certain number of bad points-effective units...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Pretty sure that at the FW Weekender at the start of the year, it was stated to be in the book during one of the panels. Well, I remember someone stating as much. It's been a while.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Why is a set of rules needed to create ICs? We have the massive amount of options for the Praetor and Centurions...what more options do we need? I would be really disappointed if they wasted design time on something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caprera Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Maybe they thought 4/5 characters per book are not gonna be enough given the sheer size and diversity of the Legions. Surely they have wasted little time on it, because I'm sure it's something they had around for years now. I've lost count of threads where people was building their own character comparing points and equipment with the official ones. They surely thought about it way before the HH books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozenfoods Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 We'll see if we get a robust option, or just pointsx1.25 characters no one will use. I'd love the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFeeder Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Afaik apart from Terran Forces, Solar Auxilia IS the Imperial army at the time. I guess before being unified into the IG was a collection single-picked planetary forces assisting Legions. Anybody knows precisely ? If I recall correctly, the Solar Auxilia are a regiment of the Imperial Army that hails from either the Sol System or Segmentum Solar. I highly doubt they are The Imperial Army, but more likely a "localised" representation of them; in the same way the Necromunda 8th are not The Imperial Guard, but a regiment that originated from Araneus Prime Necromunda. That being said, I'm not sure whether the army list that will accompany Conquest will represent the Solar Auxilia or the Imperial Army as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Of course they have a system for creating Named Characters, but why would they release that formula to the masses? A system to create ICs would do more damage to balance for a small increase in player experience. It would be near impossible to balance. The only thing missing from current HQ building would be a list of special rules to add...this is just a massive can of worms this I would prefer not be included in a near perfect system. Think about it, the same options would need to cost different amounts for some Legions, base loadout (PA, TDA, etc), or other chosen options. Then you get into a timing issue that will flood forums. This would make the system cumbersome. And in this day and age, players would just min/max it and then those would be the only builds really played. GW did away with the creators years ago and for good reason. It would also hurt on general acceptance, we are finally getting close to full inclusion in completive games (at least here in Houston). Adding this system would cause a step back. And no, TOs just banning this one system is not really an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caprera Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Well yes, but given the system they propose is just a "make it up at a higher price" like players did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 System who proposes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caprera Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Forgeworld who else. I mean, you are definitely right if FW will come out with a system simplicistic as that. However we could be completely mistaken and what they have in mind is all about the equipment in the army list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Or special rules like the ancient warmachine rules in IA 2: second edition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Have you even looked at the options for Praetors and Centurions? The only option missing is to give them a heavy weapon and special rules. So any real system would be taking a Praetor and adding a list of special rules. Which as I stated before would be impossible to balance over 18 Legions. Putting EW on a generic TDA Praetor has (should) a different cost then on a generic PA Praetor, which would have a different cost depending on which Legion rules the Praetor is using. and that's just USRs. Add in a list of full special rules and you just compounded the issues. What is worse is that we are still missing final rules for 6 Legions that unless accounted for could throw out any balance they manage to have from Conquest. So I would hate if they wasted design time on something that I believe is not needed. The minimal gain is not worth the massive amounts of issues such a system would create. There is a very good but very fine balance in 30k, opening up the system to uncontrolled additions will ruin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 your opinion, but i believe we don't need 100% balance for a fluff-driven game ;) (and i.m.o. horus heresy games AREN'T tournament games, they are here to re-play campaigns, and for that, an i.c. builder would be very nice) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 But the balance is what makes 30k so much better then 40k. And I'm not talking about 40k 'balance' the tournaments kids cry about. I'm talking about a well rounded system that interacts smoothly with all the other moving parts. With 12 Legions and freaking Primarchs there is still not an 'auto-win' Legion. Add in player chosen unlimited buffs to Praetors and you will see that real balance eroded. For what? So a player can min/max a praetor? How is that fluffy? If you want to build a home brew character from the books, just work with your normal play group and decide on the points cost for whatever adds you want to your Praetor. You don't need a FW approved system for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 who said that these are unlimited buffs and that FW won't balance it? either way, we can't discuss this until FW brings Conquest out ;). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomanyprojects Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I'm hoping that the new book heralds the release of a couple of female IG soldiers or equivalent. Models that is :) I need them for like eighteen things lol :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Well, unless they put some sort of a limit of one special rule and/or USRs then how much you want spend in a single HQ. With no limits one could easily build a mini Primarch. And I discussing the need for a system in the first place. There are much more needed rules then a character builder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Iron Hands are getting yet more love? Hot damn. I hope the Morlocks'll end up appearing. Realistically I'm expecting some different rules for the stragglers that survived the initial Dropsite Massacre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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